Spoiled by The Dark Knight

[PyroChamber]

Do you think that The Dark Knight spoiled us to the point where we feel that every comic book movie that comes out has to be of the same quality as what Nolan did?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Personally, I dont, TDK doesnt stop from still watching and enjoying CB movies that came out before it, and it didnt stop me from really enjoying Watchmen and thinking Watchmen was right up there with TDK.

It also didnt stop me from enjoying Wolverine to a point and enjoying TF:ROTF thoroughly, as I knew it was a different beast to TDK.

 

[gwynplaine]

Good point. It sure raised the bar imo.

 

[willemjoker]

I don't think raising the bar is bad thing. We should expect all comic book movies to be as good as The Dark Knight. That doesn't mean they all have to be the same type of movie as The Dark Knight. I think Iron Man was as good as The Dark Knight, it just set out to accomplish very different things. Iron Man was a well-crafted, smart action movie. The Dark Knight was a lot more ambitious thematically, had a much more portentous tone and was more epic from a storytelling point of view. Both were extremely successful in their own ways. Neither of them were flawless.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

^Personally, I dont, TDK doesnt stop from still watching and enjoying CB movies that came out before it, and it didnt stop me from really enjoying Watchmen and thinking Watchmen was right up there with TDK.

It also didnt stop me from enjoying Wolverine to a point and enjoying TF:ROTF thoroughly, as I knew it was a different beast to TDK.

this is how i feel. now, i havent seen WM or TF:ROTF, but i still enjoy me some origins (coming next week!) and spidey 3...YES..I SAID IT.

 

[random_havoc]

this is how i feel. now, i havent seen WM or TF:ROTF, but i still enjoy me some origins (coming next week!) and spidey 3...YES..I SAID IT.

Your opinion officially no longer counts.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

Your opinion officially no longer counts.

oh god here we go again..

there is no such thing as a right or wrong opinion.

 

[Eldarion]

Well it set the bar high for me for the next batman-film, 2 great movies, so the third has to be good aswell. I understand Nolan if he wouldn't want to direct the third one, since he would be under a lot of pressure. As for Incredible Hulk, X-Men or Iron Man, i just like them almost as much. But you can't compare them too Batman, they have all something special and different about them. Every superhero is unique. If we have to compare Batman with another superhero, Iron Man is the most logical. Cause they both have no real superpowers, but just a batmobile and batsuit vs. iron suit. Both are playboys descended from rich industrial fathers and have their own company, Wayne Enterprises and Stark Industries. Tony Stark is Marvels Bruce Wayne.

 

[Octoberist]

let's be honest, the next wave of movies (Green Lantern, Thor, Captain America, etc) should keep their standards of Iron Man. Dark Knight is one of a kind, and for sure, I think people should be influenced by its passionate filmmaking. But don't ape Dark Knight for the wrong reasons because it'll in turn have disastrous results.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I think some people were spoiled by TDK.

It seems that after TDK anything less than a cerebral, multi faceted comic book movie is not enough.

I still maintain that if Wolverine came out before TDK it wouldn't of garnered no where near as much hate as it has now. Not saying it is a brilliant film my any means though.

You could say Wolverine should of learnt from TDK. And maybe you would be right. But then I would counter with this...

Not every comic book movie has to be a psychological study of a character and society that borders on pretentious. Some comic book movies can still be that action orientated, formulaic type movie. And in terms of actual fight scenes, Wolverine pisses all over TDK. If TDK didn't have that chase scene in the middle of the film it would of been a very mediocre action movie. Basically, that chase scene saved TDKs bacon in the action stakes.

 

[Octoberist]

With the Wolverine 'quality' argument, think about this:

In order to get 'influenced' by a movie, there is a two year gap. (A 2008 movie will influnce a 2010 film).

During filming of Wolverine was also the release of Dark Knight. So obviously it couldn't do much and they were on their own. And it's Fox.

But a movie like Iron Man 2 and beyond can be easily influnced by Dark Knight.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea but I hope it doesn't become too similar to TDK.

I like that it appears to comment on capitalism and these big corporations not giving a toss and not taking responsibility. And shady government types. But it should only touch on that. What I want from an Iron Man movie is great character moments and some bad ass action.

 

[Octoberist]

i guess what i meant was this: to be influenced by Dark Knight, the thing that you have to do is to make a damn good movie, and then go from there.

I'm sure Iron Man 2 has a few tricks up its sleeve. I'm still meh on Whiplash but we'll see.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I haven't been spoiled by TDK because I don't hold it in as high regard as other people.

Yes it was smart and great but the action scenes were terrible, I didn't care when the love interest died and Dent's introduction to the dark side was pretty unconvincing...ridiculous actually. Bale's performance wasn't as good as in Batman Begins and his Batman voice was still laughably awful. As a matter of fact Batman wasn't as special as he should have been in this flick. I've just been disappointed with Bale as Bats and TDK solidifies my feelings. He is passable and sometimes good but nothing special in the role. The over serious tone still hurts the flick in my opinion but I'm too lazy to get into that again.

I'm going to watch the movie again and just give it a final long and hardcore review soon.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Nah, TDK just showed us how to do a proper "dark" comic book film.

Iron Man was "light" in a sense.

And Iron Man was better.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't think Dent's snapping was unconvincing.

Here is a guy who berated Gordon that his whole unit was corrupt. But gave Gordon the benefit of the doubt.

Then it turns out he was right all along and by him giving Gordon the benefit of the doubt it actually led to him and his love getting ****ed up. I could understand his hate for Gordon in the end.

Plus hearing the love of your life being killed has gotta mess you up a bit. Not to mention having half your face burnt off.

It wasn't one thing that made Dent snap, which some people like to believe for some reason. It was a SERIES of events.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't think Dent's snapping was unconvincing.

Here is a guy who berated Gordon that his whole unit was corrupt. But gave Gordon the benefit of the doubt.

Then it turns out he was right all along and by him giving Gordon the benefit of the doubt it actually led to him and his love getting ****ed up. I could understand his hate for Gordon in the end.

Plus hearing the love of your life being killed has gotta mess you up a bit. Not to mention having half your face burnt off.

It wasn't one thing that made Dent snap, which some people like to believe for some reason. It was a SERIES of events.

I have no problem believing that he did snap I just don't believe that a little speech from the Joker would have convinced him to go after Gordon intstead of the guy who f**ked his face up and killed his girlfriend...which was obviously the Joker himself.

You either believe that hospital scene or you don't and I didn't.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

I actually love Dent's spiral of destruction into Two-Face.

 

[ross2287]

I think some people were spoiled by TDK.

It seems that after TDK anything less than a cerebral, multi faceted comic book movie is not enough.

I still maintain that if Wolverine came out before TDK it wouldn't of garnered no where near as much hate as it has now. Not saying it is a brilliant film my any means though.

You could say Wolverine should of learnt from TDK. And maybe you would be right. But then I would counter with this...

Not every comic book movie has to be a psychological study of a character and society that borders on pretentious. Some comic book movies can still be that action orientated, formulaic type movie. And in terms of actual fight scenes, Wolverine pisses all over TDK. If TDK didn't have that chase scene in the middle of the film it would of been a very mediocre action movie. Basically, that chase scene saved TDKs bacon in the action stakes.

I agree with every single word here.

 

[david icke]

I still maintain that if Wolverine came out before TDK it wouldn't of garnered no where near as much hate as it has now. Not saying it is a brilliant film my any means though.

I honestly don't think this is true. We had two great X-Men films to compare it to, that's where it suffered in comparison mainly.
The only way I can imagine Wolverine not getting as much hate from fans is if it had been Wolverine's first apprearance onscreen. People would have been pleasantly surprised by the casting of Hugh Jackman and that would've gave a lot of people enjoyment. But, we've already seen him in two far superior X-films and they show what potential it had.

I don't think TDK will spoil any upcoming comicbook movies for me anymore than previous great ones have. The thing I hope it does do is make filmakers and studios raise their game, as not only was it a piece of great filmaking but very successful with audiences, which no studio can ignore.

 

[The Joker]

TDK shouldn't spoil anything for anyone. Do people suddenly stop enjoying every movie they feel is inferior to another? Of course not. Why should it be any different here?

TDK is my favourite comic book movie. But I still love all the others that I loved before I ever saw TDK, like Spider-Man 1 and 2, Batman Returns, X-Men 2 etc, and ones that came after it like Watchmen.

Just because something better comes along doesn't suddenly make the other movies bad. And just because any new movies are not of the high standard as a previous one, that shouldn't matter either, so long as it's still a good movie.

 

[-JKR-]

I think some people were spoiled by TDK.

It seems that after TDK anything less than a cerebral, multi faceted comic book movie is not enough.

I still maintain that if Wolverine came out before TDK it wouldn't of garnered no where near as much hate as it has now. Not saying it is a brilliant film my any means though.

You could say Wolverine should of learnt from TDK. And maybe you would be right. But then I would counter with this...

Not every comic book movie has to be a psychological study of a character and society that borders on pretentious. Some comic book movies can still be that action orientated, formulaic type movie. And in terms of actual fight scenes, Wolverine pisses all over TDK. If TDK didn't have that chase scene in the middle of the film it would of been a very mediocre action movie. Basically, that chase scene saved TDKs bacon in the action stakes.

********. Spider-Man isn't cerebral, multi-faceted, and I love the heck out of it. Same with Iron Man (best Marvel flick). I don't expect every movie to be up there with TDK, but if a movie sucks, it sucks (Wolverine) - no matter what movie came out the year before.

 

[random_havoc]

I honestly don't think this is true. We had two great X-Men films to compare it to, that's where it suffered in comparison mainly.
The only way I can imagine Wolverine not getting as much hate from fans is if it had been Wolverine's first apprearance onscreen. People would have been pleasantly surprised by the casting of Hugh Jackman and that would've gave a lot of people enjoyment. But, we've already seen him in two far superior X-films and they show what potential it had.

Exactly right.

Wolverine sucked because much of it was done poorly, don't try to pawn off the blame.

 

[Grommers]

I have no problem believing that he did snap I just don't believe that a little speech from the Joker would have convinced him to go after Gordon intstead of the guy who f**ked his face up and killed his girlfriend...which was obviously the Joker himself.

You either believe that hospital scene or you don't and I didn't.

The joker is just saying he isn't the head honcho behind it all, and two-face wasn't going after Gordon he was convinced to go after Marino....but when he went to Maroni he found out that people in Gordons unit that he told Gordon were corrupt..were well, corrupt, therefore pushing him off the deep-end, and by that time he realised everything he believed for..was well, not something he believed for anymore...hence why the people of Gotham deserved more than the truth...



Anyways, I preferred the TDK fight scenes (Laus building, chase, at the party, and the final scene with joker) to be much more enjoyable than the ones in wolverine, now a days in fights I find everything to be over choreographed, it lacks a sense of reality that I found in TDK, and even TDK was a little far fetched at some points.


Anyways, I dont at all feel that TDK spoiled other comic book movies..I loved ironman for what it was, I loved the first spider-man for what it was, punisher 2004 i liked a lot, and for the respective heroes I always found them to capture a lot of the aspects of the characters that I loved, and well, a spider-man movie with as much drama as TDK to me would be terrible...an ironman with as much death as the punisher would be terrible..I dont necessarily think TDK spoiled anyone, it just pushes to really capture the characters on screen for what they are, and not who people think they are.

 

[gwynplaine]

I don't think raising the bar is bad thing. We should expect all comic book movies to be as good as The Dark Knight. That doesn't mean they all have to be the same type of movie as The Dark Knight. I think Iron Man was as good as The Dark Knight, it just set out to accomplish very different things. Iron Man was a well-crafted, smart action movie. The Dark Knight was a lot more ambitious thematically, had a much more portentous tone and was more epic from a storytelling point of view. Both were extremely successful in their own ways. Neither of them were flawless.

Well said.