Spoiled by The Dark Knight

[jmc]

The Dark Knight didn't spoil anything, it merely showed that comic book adaptations if treated like films first and foremost can be quality cinema, not simply kid friendly film. It showed that the charters can have as much depth as any character on a TV show like The Wire whilst at the same time combining it with a kickarse action movie. Batman Begins was the kick in the pants the Superhero genre needed, The Dark Knight was the evolution the superhero genre need, had these two movies not have been made, I firmly believe the genre would continue to produce 'stock' superhero movies to the point where the genre would go the way of the Western and Horror. What everyone should be demanding is that all comic book characters brought to screen be given the same treatment as TDK, and by that I don't mean dark and brooding, but be treated with respect and be made with the mindset of making a good film, not simply a comic book movie. We as movie goers should be demanding quality for these characters, not simply accepting what ever we're dished out.

 

[Matt.S99]

Do you think that The Dark Knight spoiled us to the point where we feel that every comic book movie that comes out has to be of the same quality as what Nolan did?

Not for me, no. But Im SICK of people thinknig EVERY damn movie has to on par with TDK. Whether it be Superman.Spider-Man, G.I. Joe etc.

Give it a rest people!

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

I don't even consider The Dark Knight a comic book film. Yes, Batman, The Joker, and Two-Face are all characters based on the comic, along with the setting, Gotham City. The reason why I don't considerate a comic book movie is beacause of the direction Nolan went with it. Instead of it having a comic book vibe, (ex: Burton's Batman movies-the colors, scenery) it had more of a real-world vibe, which is fine. Now, I'm not saying Nolan didn't do a good job, he did, he handled switching the comic book character into the real world really well, but in doing that, it lost the touch of a comic book/superhero movie. The Dark Knight was more of a drama/gangster film other than a comicbook/superhero movie imo. Idk, when i think of superhero/comic book movies, i want to see another universe, ex, Iron Man, a comic book movie that still had the vibe, but was also mixed with the real world. Idk, just thinking out loud. So, has The Dark Knight spoiled me for upcomming comic book movies? No

 

[jmc]

^ All the more reason TDK makes for a better film, it feels a lot more authentic, personally I don't see how that's a bad thing. I for one don't quite understand exactly what a 'comic book' world is suppose to be on film, comic book is a medium, not a genre.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

********. Spider-Man isn't cerebral, multi-faceted, and I love the heck out of it. Same with Iron Man (best Marvel flick). I don't expect every movie to be up there with TDK, but if a movie sucks, it sucks (Wolverine) - no matter what movie came out the year before.

Exactly right.

Wolverine sucked because much of it was done poorly, don't try to pawn off the blame.

I'm not pawning off the blame.

I'm talking about peoples reactions to it. Not whether it was a great movie or a shoddy movie. There is a difference between how good/bad a movie is, and how it is received.

What I'm saying is if Wolverine came out before TDK it's flaws wouldn't of been picked apart and wouldn't bother people as much. People can deny that all they want, but I think it even happens on a sub conscious level.

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

^ All the more reason TDK makes for a better film, it feels a lot more authentic, personally I don't see how that's a bad thing. I for one don't quite understand exactly what a 'comic book' world is suppose to be on film, comic book is a medium, not a genre.

Yea, I thought that The Dark Knight was well made,I'm not saying its a bad thing at all. I was just trying to say that the enjoyment I get out of a comic book movie is stepping out of the real world and entering the fiction world, and yes, Gotham City is fake, but the movie felt real, and that's a good thing, especially if you can pull it off like The Dark Knight did.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Do you think that The Dark Knight spoiled us to the point where we feel that every comic book movie that comes out has to be of the same quality as what Nolan did?

No, because the approach taken with Dark Knight cannot be applied to any other comic book film. And quite frankly, much as I enjoyed it, I don't consider it the Holy Grail that a lot of fanboys make it out to be.

 

[Franklin Richards]

The conceit of this thread is mind boggling.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I don't know if "conceit" is the word I would use.

 

[Franklin Richards]

If making comic movies "real" is the only way to produce them after Dark Knight? I don't know what else to call it.


So lemme get this straight...


The Wonder Woman movie should be about a Greek girl who comes to America to help fight the Nazis. She uses sodium penethol and wears bullet proof vests to fight Hitler's men.


Is that about right?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm not pawning off the blame.

I'm talking about peoples reactions to it. Not whether it was a great movie or a shoddy movie. There is a difference between how good/bad a movie is, and how it is received.

What I'm saying is if Wolverine came out before TDK it's flaws wouldn't of been picked apart and wouldn't bother people as much. People can deny that all they want, but I think it even happens on a sub conscious level.

I know what they are saying though Knaves, and what you are, and in regards to the critics, I think you are right, after Iron Man and The Dark Knight, the critics expect more from comic book movies now, thats why I think they were a bit over-harsh on Wolverine.

However, and this includes myself, I have never heard anyone say "Wolverine was crap it was no were near as good as The Dark Knight." However, I HAVE heard people say "Wolverine was crap/good/alright, but it was no were near as good as the first 2 (meaning X-Men movies)."

So, I dont think the GA were comparing Wolverine to TDK, at all, more so the first 2, or even in cases 3, X-Men movies. I will say, that if X3 had come out this year instead of Wolverine, I could see it getting a 'The Spirit' type response from the critics, which it deserved rather than 56% IMO.

 

[Maximum Carnage]

I'm spoiled by Heath's performance. Let's face it people, the storyline combined with Ledger MADE this movie the way it is. Amazing acting. You try to find an actor in Origins that can compare. :P

As far as the rest? Nah, but I'll still be looking for ACTING quality in films. ;/

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I know what they are saying though Knaves, and what you are, and in regards to the critics, I think you are right, after Iron Man and The Dark Knight, the critics expect more from comic book movies now, thats why I think they were a bit over-harsh on Wolverine.

However, and this includes myself, I have never heard anyone say "Wolverine was crap it was no were near as good as The Dark Knight." However, I HAVE heard people say "Wolverine was crap/good/alright, but it was no were near as good as the first 2 (meaning X-Men movies)."

So, I dont think the GA were comparing Wolverine to TDK, at all, more so the first 2, or even in cases 3, X-Men movies. I will say, that if X3 had come out this year instead of Wolverine, I could see it getting a 'The Spirit' type response from the critics, which it deserved rather than 56% IMO.

Yea great points.

There is no way in hell X-3 deserved a better RT rating than Wolverine. Wolverine should of got the 56%, X-3 should of got the 30% of whatever it was.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yea great points.

There is no way in hell X-3 deserved a better RT rating than Wolverine. Wolverine should of got the 56%, X-3 should of got the 30% of whatever it was.

100% agreed, Wolverine was a much better movie than X3, and was plenty more faithful as well.

 

[jmc]

If making comic movies ''real'' is the only way to produce them after Dark Knight? I don't know what else to call it.


So lemme get this straight...


The Wonder Woman movie should be about a Greek girl who comes to America to help fight the Nazis. She uses sodium penethol and wears bullet proof vests to fight Hitler's men.


Is that about right?

It's not about making them real, it's about giving them depth and treating them seriously, TDK could easily have had more fantastic elements, but what drove it was the story and the characters. TDK showed that superheros on film can be more than just live action versions of 2D characters, it showed, no, proved that comic books are as good a source for story as any Pulitzer Prize winning novel.

 

[Obi-Ron]

I haven't been spoiled by TDK because I don't hold it in as high regard as other people.

High five!

 

[gwynplaine]

I'm spoiled by Heath's performance. Let's face it people, the storyline combined with Ledger MADE this movie the way it is. Amazing acting. You try to find an actor in Origins that can compare. :P

As far as the rest? Nah, but I'll still be looking for ACTING quality in films. ;/

Will.i.am ? (Just kidding).

 

[Matt.S99]

100% agreed, Wolverine was a much better movie than X3, and was plenty more faithful as well.

Really? I hate X3, alot, I honestly dont even like to think about it, but I think the Wolverine movie was ALOT worse. Minus Gambit.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

High five!

It really is as simple as that for me.

The Dark Knight was a great movie to me but I liked Watchmen just as much and I liked Spider-Man 1 and 2 better than both of them. If Iron Man had done a few things more to my liking I would rate it higher than TDK but it didn't so I don't. Still I did like Iron Man more but I don't think that it was a better movie.

Everyone has their own opinions and I respect that but I'm just not that into TDK. I love it but I'm not in love with it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Really? I hate X3, alot, I honestly dont even like to think about it, but I think the Wolverine movie was ALOT worse. Minus Gambit.

I enjoyed Wolverine much more, X3 was a shambles. Wolverine wasnt spectacular, but a muh better movie for me.

It really is as simple as that for me.

The Dark Knight was a great movie to me but I liked Watchmen just as much and I liked Spider-Man 1 and 2 better than both of them. If Iron Man had done a few things more to my liking I would rate it higher than TDK but it didn't so I don't. Still I did like Iron Man more but I don't think that it was a better movie.

Everyone has their own opinions and I respect that but I'm just not that into TDK. I love it but I'm not in love with it.

While I love TDK, it isnt as good as some make it out to be, District 9 was as good if not better for me, and cost $150 million less than TDK.

 

[BlackLantern]

Do you think that The Dark Knight spoiled us to the point where we feel that every comic book movie that comes out has to be of the same quality as what Nolan did?

a thousand times yes....fans have now tricked themselves into believing that every CBF must be on this level or be taken super seriously....

 

[Chris Wallace]

The Dark Knight was a crime thriller that superimposed the characters Batman & the Joker into the story. Was it a great film? Yes. Is it the standard by which all comic book movies should be judged? No. Spider-Man, X-Men, Hulk, not even Blade or Punisher could ever be presented in the same or similar manner, nor should they. In many ways, the fan response to TDK is hypocritical b/c the same questionable casting, (Eric Roberts) drastic deviations from the source material, (Two-Face, among others) overacting (Bale's Batman voice) and detracting subplots (Rachel) that drove it are what get other movies of the genre almost universally panned. But because it's a Batman film it's ok to do that.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Yea but I hope it doesn't become too similar to TDK.

I like that it appears to comment on capitalism and these big corporations not giving a toss and not taking responsibility. And shady government types. But it should only touch on that. What I want from an Iron Man movie is great character moments and some bad ass action.

I get into this a lot in the Spider-man threads,

but when people say they want *insert movie here* to be influenced by TDK, I don't take that as trying to copy TDK's darkness or themes ect. ect. I only want other movies to have the same intelligent storytelling, and stay as true to it's characters as TDK did.

 

[Fresh Prince]

The Dark Knight didn't spoil anything, it merely showed that comic book adaptations if treated like films first and foremost can be quality cinema, not simply kid friendly film. It showed that the charters can have as much depth as any character on a TV show like The Wire whilst at the same time combining it with a kickarse action movie. Batman Begins was the kick in the pants the Superhero genre needed, The Dark Knight was the evolution the superhero genre need, had these two movies not have been made, I firmly believe the genre would continue to produce 'stock' superhero movies to the point where the genre would go the way of the Western and Horror. What everyone should be demanding is that all comic book characters brought to screen be given the same treatment as TDK, and by that I don't mean dark and brooding, but be treated with respect and be made with the mindset of making a good film, not simply a comic book movie. We as movie goers should be demanding quality for these characters, not simply accepting what ever we're dished out.

Thought CBF had no genre? But agreed about western and horror movies being trash since the glory days. Now we got crap like Final Destination and Wild Wild West.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Unforgiven won the Academy Award.