If you think TA didn´t have plot holes and leaps in logic, you weren´t paying much attention. There is plenty of stupidity going on in TA and plenty of stuff you can complain about if you really want to. The Avengers is far from flawless. People, even if just subconsciously, simply don´t take it seriously enough to be paying attention to all it´s flaws. The expectations were never that high, so that makes the movie more tolerable. Besides, it´s a movie about aliens and mutated people. That gives the movie more freedom to be stupid.
Plus, anyone who thinks TA is a 9 or a 10 really needs to watch more movies. TDKR is the best SH movie ever, in my opinion, but i don´t give it a 9. It´s 8.5, at best. And if i wasn´t so emotional about it i would probably just give it a 7.5 or 8.
I'm not emotional at all. I'm judging the films on their own terms. Taking into account what they are going for. TDKR wants to be more than a traditional summer blockbuster, which is what Avengers is. Avengers is up there with the likes of Jurassic Park and Raiders of the Lost Ark as a summer blockbuster in my eyes.
Rises is aiming a bit higher it falls short in it's execution. Whereas Avengers executes what is going for pretty much perfectly. It's a Michael Bay action extravaganza but done right. With well rounded characters, a simple yet coherent story and is genuinely funny. Like an old school Spielberg film.
Avengers has solid performances all around. Hiddleston and Evans are at their best here I think and Ruffalo is also really good. Evans' Cap really holds the film together because if you can't believe he is Captain America, a lot of the dynamics between the other characters don't work. Rises has the aforementioned Modine performance and I think Cotillard was kinda phoning it in. Hathaway and Hardy were really good though. I know some think Bane's voice is silly but I think it's interesting. He also really had a magnetic screen presence and was quite frightening in some scenes. Shame about the revelation of his character at the end, which disappointed me.
What plot holes are in Avengers? What leaps in logic? Everything that happens works in the rules of the world created. A more fantasy one than the TDK trilogy, which has strange leaps in the worlds logic. Like i said, the reasoning of how Blake knows Bruce is Batman is just horrible in my view. The whole final "war". The way Bruce's back is healed.
The dialogue in Avengers is sharp. It isn't really bloated and everyone has a distinct voice. Some of it in Rises is just awful. For example the scene where Catwoman is trying to steal the clean slate from Dagget. He's explaining what it does to her, yet she must already know. It just sounds kinda unnatural and too exposition heavy. Like Dagget is talking to us the audience rather than Catwoman.
But like i said I think Rises has a more engaging plot, a more complex one. And the journey of Bruce Wayne is impressive even if I do dislike the actual end with him retiring happy ever after. Avengers is a more simple "bad guy with mcguffin is going to destroy the world!" plot. But that works for it because it's mainly driven by the characters coming together. Like a superhero team origin movie.
Avengers was both more entertaining and simply a better, more properly executed movie. TDKR reached for the stars and fell very short in many ways. A frustrating watch from an entertainment standpoint as well; I really find the two to be incomparable with regard to quality.
This is pretty much what i mean lol.
