Superman Returns SR Sequel: $200 million or else!?

[green]

in case any one hasnt saw the news....
http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=22756

Thank you.

 

[GreenKToo]

no problem friend.

Thank you.

 

[green]

Hey Green!
All borrowed.
It seemed pretty obvious they were trying to minimise Brandon's role, even though his was the best casting, hes not a good actor, lets be fair. However, I could tolerate him in the role.
I'm sure if Richard had seen them together, he wouldn't have been so forgiving as you.
Another 'homage'.
Personally I don't think the kid (murder scene aside) was the problem with the movie. But its just such cul-de-sac to go down.
Unless of course you were campaigning for a better movie second time around, and as such were posting constructive criticism.
I think both sides have been vocal. I just don't think those who believed it was a good movie have as much objective ammunition to back their argument up.
The only saving grace from my perspective is that a sequel can't be as bad as Superman Returns...can it?
Thats because Singer made such a mess with his first attempt that at this juncture anything seems good by comparison.

yeah, that's all fine and dandy, it's all personal opinion I have mine you have yours. The point was that people did like this movie. You asked for a list I gave you one and so did Lestat, just because you didnt like it doesnt make it a bad film and just because I liked it doesnt make it a good one.

Oh and to answer another question you asked Batman Begins did somewhere around $125 mill on dvd.
Also talking about money alot of people that constantly want to throw box office numbers around completely forget about the licensing for this movie. Nobody has bothered to find out how much was made before the film even opened.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

in case any one hasnt saw the news....
http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=22756

Cool beans!

 

[GreenKToo]

he he,your pouring salt in the wound,I love it.t:

Cool beans!

 

[FCEEVIPER]

he he,your pouring salt in the wound,I love it.t:

I'm a badddddd littleeeee boy. t:

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hello again!

Well this seems to be what you cant comprehend, it may have put YOU to sleep, but for me and many other, it was a great summer blockbuster.

Perhaps we have a different idea about what criteria a blockbuster movie should fulfill, and I guess thats fine.

However, I anticipate they could have made an all ages fun, action orientated Superman movie and 95% of the people who liked Superman Returns still would have loved it, and I dare anyone to say otherwise.

I've seen it 7 times and it never dragged or got broing once during those viewings, and I think it is the best movie of 2006 so far.

Are you going again?

I only ask because taking a look at the box office, it seems as soon as it went past $200 million, it dried up immediately!

 

[Upper_Krust]

Howdy green!

yeah, that's all fine and dandy, it's all personal opinion I have mine you have yours.

Absolutely.

The point was that people did like this movie. You asked for a list I gave you one and so did Lestat, just because you didnt like it doesnt make it a bad film and just because I liked it doesnt make it a good one.

Indeed. But the fact of the matter is that fans are split down the middle on this movie! The fans are not split down the middle on Spiderman 2 or on Batman Begins, they are 99%+ behind those movies.

To a large percentage of the fans, Singer didn't make a good movie. The box-office shows this as a fact.

So it doesn't really boil down to individual tastes, for the purpose of this discussion. It boils down to a lot of people didn't like it, hence the poor box office showing.

Oh and to answer another question you asked Batman Begins did somewhere around $125 mill on dvd.

Thats interesting. Although was that revenue or profits? Revenue suggests about 5 million units sold, profits suggests 11 million units.

Regardless, does anyone here think Superman Returns will outsell Batman Begins on dvd?

Also talking about money alot of people that constantly want to throw box office numbers around completely forget about the licensing for this movie. Nobody has bothered to find out how much was made before the film even opened.

Probably because such things are generally offset by the cost of publicising the movie.

Which is why I have never brought up how much it cost to publicise the darn thing.

 

[green]

Indeed. But the fact of the matter is that fans are split down the middle on this movie! The fans are not split down the middle on Spiderman 2 or on Batman Begins, they are 99%+ behind those movies.

To a large percentage of the fans, Singer didn't make a good movie. The box-office shows this as a fact.

So it doesn't really boil down to individual tastes, for the purpose of this discussion. It boils down to a lot of people didn't like it, hence the poor box office showing.

Yeah, well again this is your opinion, personally I think the Spiderman films are way over rated. The box office shows that people were interested in a new Superman movie, maybe not as much as people expected but it wasnt a failure and the majority of critics say so as well.

Thats interesting. Although was that revenue or profits? Revenue suggests about 5 million units sold, profits suggests 11 million units.

Regardless, does anyone here think Superman Returns will outsell Batman Begins on dvd?

Its 6.8 million units
http://www.leesmovieinfo.net/Video-Sales.php
Eh, technically SR made more money than Begins so I dont see why those numbers wont be similar.

Probably because such things are generally offset by the cost of publicising the movie.

Which is why I have never brought up how much it cost to publicise the darn thing.

Fair enough.

 

[Upper_Krust]

With Superman Returns breaking $200 Million domestically and a worldwide gross of over $390 million, Warner Bros. is moving forward with the sequel.

Unfortunate, but probably to be expected.

Weeks before the DVD has it’s grandiose release, the IESB has learned that Bryan Singer has finalized a deal to move forward with the sequel this past weekend and the studio is planning to start production sometime next fall, possibly next September.

Did Bryan get offered 10% of the gross this time do you think? Did he heck!

When the IESB contacted a studio rep for comments we got this response - Warner Bros. does not comment on projects that are in development. A few calls later, other studio insiders confirmed that the deal was finalized last week and the team that brought Superman Returns to theaters earlier this year will return for the sequel.

Please not the same writers as well.

Those boys write with kryptonite ink! They are poisoning Superman!

We have been told that a couple of things are for certain. For one, the sequel will have a slightly smaller budget. Returns budget was approximately $208 million dollars with P&A (prints and ads) of about $50 million putting it at around $260. The sequel is expected to be around $140-175 million plus marketing.

If Singer had cut out the stupidity of filming an extra hour which never made it in, he probably could have delivered Superman Returns for $175 million in the first place. Even though it barely looks like there is $75 million onscreen.

The big concern is keeping to the budget but adding 'more' action.

Second, more action, tons more action is expected this time around.

Again to be expected. Warner Bros. may be stupid (to have run with the first script), but they are not ****ing stupid. They know they alienated the main demographics and paid the price for Singer's arrogance.

The studio was quite happy with the way Supes was reintroduced

Is 'quite happy' industry jargon for 'very unhappy'?

to the world and next time around expect to see him in full action battle mode. We’ve been told that Superman will have the battle of his life in the sequel and audiences can expect one of the ultimate baddies in the D.C. universe to come to Metropolis to pick a fight with the Man of Steel.

Sounds like Darkseid, which actually could be interesting, and may actually get the disenchanted back into the cinemas.

I want to believe, not only that a man can fly, but that a Singer-helmed superman movie can be entertaining.

 

[Kanon]

So, the $200 mill goal was for real, or are those news sites being incredibly silly?

 

[GreenKToo]

It must have been for real,if not several of em' are gonna have egg on their face's.

So, the $200 mill goal was for real, or are those news sites being incredibly silly?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi green!

Yeah, well again this is your opinion,

The point I am trying to make is that its is not just my opinion. Its the opinion of a lot of people.

personally I think the Spiderman films are way over rated.

You are in the clear minority with that opinion - you do understand that though don't you.

The box office shows that people were interested in a new Superman movie,

Exactly, they were interested until they went to see it, now they are disinterested in the franchise.

maybe not as much as people expected

Probably about 1/2 what the studios really expected.

but it wasnt a failure

By what criteria do you make that judgement.

and the majority of critics say so as well.

Are these the critics on rotten tomatoes you speak of?

Some of the positive reviews are positively hilarious!

Its 6.8 million units
http://www.leesmovieinfo.net/Video-Sales.php

Thanks very much for the link, very interesting reading.

Remember that the dvd profits are 55% of the gross.

Assuming Superman Returns sells as many units as Batman Begins (which is a tall order if you ask me) a film that was generally well recieved. Then it would make $68 million back. Which is enough to get them into the black provided we eliminate the spending from the previous incarnations. Otherwise they would still be at a loss.

Eh, technically SR made more money than Begins so I dont see why those numbers wont be similar.

You mean it grossed slightly more money worldwide. It sure as heck hasn't made more money, in fact Superman Returns hasn't 'made' any money yet.

Will it sell the same amount of dvds - possibly. Will those dvd profits clear its debts - no, they won't. That said, I personally don't see why Singer should be saddled with the cost of the previous incarnations. So if we remove them, then the dvd sales (assuming they sell as many as Batman Begins) should finally see Superman Returns return a profit of about $10 million.

To put that into perspective, Pirates of the Caribbean 2: Dead Man's Chest will probably turn a profit of $500 million+ for a smaller initial investment.

 

[Lestat74]

Sounds like Darkseid, which actually could be interesting, and may actually get the disenchanted back into the cinemas.

I highly doubt it's gonna be Darkseid....I love the character, but I really don't think he would work in a live action movie. I think it will be Braniac; he's Superman's #2 bad guy, and (at least in the animated series and JLU ) has ties to Krypton. He will most likely be totally redesigned though ( What's HR Giger up to these days? ) As for Darkseid bringing in the "disenchanted" ( And by disenchanted I think you mean the disgruntled comic book fanboys ) It probably would. Sadly, these days comic book fans ( and I count myself among them ) number in the hundreds of thousands...maybe a few million, tops. That's a drop in the bucket to the much larger audience that a movie like this needs.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

I really hope it's anyone but Zod. :\

 

[GreenKToo]

I could accept him,as long as he's NOT the main villian.

I really hope it's anyone but Zod. :\

 

[FCEEVIPER]

I could accept him,as long as he's NOT the main villian.

Yeah that would be cool, I guess.

 

[Carp Man]

Yeah that would be cool, I guess.

If you want rehashed, retread villians, in the Donner mode. The only way it would work, if they made a slam bang, end to end, non stop action movie like POTC 2. That movie just kept on going till the end. That 2 and a half hours flew by. I heard people saying they felt like SR was in quicksand it moved so slow. Action is what people want. Why FF 2 will be much better, it is going to hit the ground running, and not stop. It's going to be constinly in motion.

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

If you want rehashed, retread villians, in the Donner mode. The only way it would work, if they made a slam bang, end to end, non stop action movie like POTC 2. That movie just kept on going till the end. That 2 and a half hours flew by. I heard people saying they felt like SR was in quicksand it moved so slow. Action is what people want. Why FF 2 will be much better, it is going to hit the ground running, and not stop. It's going to be constinly in motion.

POTC 2 had non stop action? Coulda fooled me. Don't get me wrong, I liked the movie but the first 2/3 of the movie was set up and the last third was action packed.

And non-stop action isn't what everyone wants. Some of us like a little substance with our style.

 

[Kalé]

This is what I think. The first movie was too expensive,but for what I know the cast (I don´t mean everybody),but the major characters have signed for three films. I don´t know if Kevin did, but Brandon or L'angela may get their whole pay-check on the first movie, or maybe they culd have the same "caché" for each movie. Maybe a part or the actor's check was including the three movies. I've just thought about it and I don´t have a single clue about this theory, just wondering, but if in the price of the first film some of the major cast was payed just for "Superman Returns" and the pay-check includes the secuels the movie will be cheaper. This is just a cheap and fast theory,but there are many scenes already filmed (some of them where showed in many trailers just before the movie came out)and we won't have the in the DVD. Some expensive scenes, like kal-el building a new ship and a new suit(I guess), the ruins of Kandor,or Jor-el saying something new are already filmed and I guess that this stuff will be part of the secuel.

 

[Kalé]

And of course make it cheaper. Any of you can understand my english?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hello again!
Perhaps we have a different idea about what criteria a blockbuster movie should fulfill, and I guess thats fine.

However, I anticipate they could have made an all ages fun, action orientated Superman movie and 95% of the people who liked Superman Returns still would have loved it, and I dare anyone to say otherwise.

I think a more action packed movie would have made more money, but it also would have lost a lot of the character that SR had, and since i prefer more character driven movies, i dont think i would have enjoyed what you suggest more.

Are you going again?

I only ask because taking a look at the box office, it seems as soon as it went past $200 million, it dried up immediately!

I would definetaly go again, but SR went off the cinema here in late August/Early September.

 

[buggs0268]

Looks like the rumor that everyone said about it having to make 200 mill domestic were true. 200 mill domestic. God this is so dumb. Shoulda gotten a new director Warner's. I guess you guys will only learn on Batman.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Lestat74!

I highly doubt it's gonna be Darkseid....I love the character, but I really don't think he would work in a live action movie. I think it will be Braniac; he's Superman's #2 bad guy, and (at least in the animated series and JLU ) has ties to Krypton. He will most likely be totally redesigned though ( What's HR Giger up to these days? )

It'll be Zod. You know it and I know it. But at least Zod hasn't been confirmed yet so we can still hold out some hope it will be Brainiac or Darkseid for the next twelve months, until Jude Law gets cast.

As for Darkseid bringing in the "disenchanted" ( And by disenchanted I think you mean the disgruntled comic book fanboys ) It probably would. Sadly, these days comic book fans ( and I count myself among them ) number in the hundreds of thousands...maybe a few million, tops. That's a drop in the bucket to the much larger audience that a movie like this needs.

Totally agree.

I think he has disenchanted the younger audience, disenchanted the action audience and split the comic fans down the middle.

You need to court the action audience for the box office, the younger audience for the merchandising and the comic fans for the dvd sales.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hello again!

I think a more action packed movie would have made more money, but it also would have lost a lot of the character that SR had, and since i prefer more character driven movies, i dont think i would have enjoyed what you suggest more.

You see you have just bought into the tripe and nonsense of Singer's 'Wrath of Kahn' stupidity.

You can make a movie entertaining and action packed while still making it thoughtful.

How can anyone in their right mind suggest that movie would have been worse had they added Metallo (for example), and had one or two scenes with Superman duking it out with him?

I would definetaly go again, but SR went off the cinema here in late August/Early September.

I just find it incredibly amusing and intriguing that once it reached $200 million the box office totally died. The movie has dropped about 80% from last week. It will be lucky to make $200.1 million at this rate.

There is probably more to the Superman box office than meets the eye.