Superman Returns SR Sequel: $200 million or else!?

[romeogbs19]

i think many of us agree SR made less than what we expected it to, but for some to keep insisting that it was a 'failure' is incorrect. the movie still made almost $200 million (and prob. will do so b/f it is officially out of all theaters). It wasn't the BO smash-hit that either Spider-Man or Pirates was, but it still grossed enough to, with later DVD sales and spin-off merchandise, to be profitable.

In an odd way, the terribly off year for WB is like a blessing in disguise for SR. While some of us can be sour about the movie's premise and how well/not well it handled our favorite comic superhero, we all would like to have another Supes movie -- regardless of who makes it.

The off year helps SR's sequel hopes. One inescapable 'fact' (yes, fact) is that SR is the ONE bright light in WB's movie line-up. With all the fiascos it released, Supes on paper looks like the best movie from WB, and that will certainly help its sequel advocates to push through another film.

And yeah, there are many of us on these boards that don't like SR, but at least we won't need to see WB channel money towards Ant Bully 2.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

i think many of us agree SR made less than what we expected it to, but for some to keep insisting that it was a 'failure' is incorrect. the movie still made almost $200 million (and prob. will do so b/f it is officially out of all theaters). It wasn't the BO smash-hit that either Spider-Man or Pirates was, but it still grossed enough to, with later DVD sales and spin-off merchandise, to be profitable.

This i totally agree with. If it had made $100 million domestic then yes its a failure, it has made almost double that.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

After seeing the movie last night I can see why it didn't make huge amounts of money. It just isn't the type of movie that makes lots of money, far too serious for this type of film.

Read my review here http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237842&page=258

 

[chosen1]

In all honesty ive seen films w/ equal amount of special effects. What did they do that made the SPeffects cost 200 million?

I dont see it?

The film was okay at best.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

In all honesty ive seen films w/ equal amount of special effects. What did they do that made the SPeffects cost 200 million?

I dont see it?

The film was okay at best.

I agree, where did the money go?

 

[Kid_Kaos]

I agree, where did the money go?

Just look up some older threads about the production and you will see that Singer experimented a lot. He shot a good hour or more additional to the final cut and completed the effects in the post-production - only to cut them out and trash them after the little family-and-friends screening.

IMO he should take everything he still has (including the Krypton scenes) and release a new 3+ hour cut. Chances are the final version would add more sense to the story.

 

[chosen1]

So... He thought he could buy us w/ some fancy effects huh....

 

[NateGray]

Wow. Failed to crack $200 million? It isn't even out of theaters yet. Considering the flick is at slightly over $199 million and should be at $199.4 million this weekend, I'd say $200 million is damn near a lock.

Horn also said it will be profitable and that they hope to have the sequel ready for 2009. The flick'll earn about $400 million worldwide, plus money from ancillary sources and DVD sales. WB isn't exactly going to be crying about SR's profitabilty.

Considering at 400 million they will not have even broken even yeh thats a disappointment.
If with DVD sales it shows a profit thats a different story but whos to say its going to make the 100-200 million it needs to show a profit????
Not me because thats alot of DVD 's to sell just for it to make a profit.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Just look up some older threads about the production and you will see that Singer experimented a lot. He shot a good hour or more additional to the final cut and completed the effects in the post-production - only to cut them out and trash them after the little family-and-friends screening.

IMO he should take everything he still has (including the Krypton scenes) and release a new 3+ hour cut. Chances are the final version would add more sense to the story.

I've read those threads. In my opinion he didn't spend the money correctly if he could even afford to cut out hugely expensive scenes.

A new cut might add more to the story but I don't think I could watch it, I thought the cut I viewed was too long as it is.

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

In all honesty ive seen films w/ equal amount of special effects. What did they do that made the SPeffects cost 200 million?

I dont see it?

The film was okay at best.

Sit through the credits of any movie. Especially any big budget movie.

You see those hundreds of people that worked on the film? They all had to be paid. Not everything spent on any film is seen on the screen.

Considering at 400 million they will not have even broken even yeh thats a disappointment.

No one is saying that it isn't a disappointment. Alan Horn himself said it was a disappointment. Why we're still talking about this is really mind boggling.

To reiterate what has been said by the studio head:

The flick should have made more but it didn't.
They still like Singer's vision.
They want to have a sequel out by 2009.
SR'll churn WB a nice profit in the end.

Yeesh. The talking about SR's disappointment at the B.O. should have ended months ago when Horn himself addressed it.

 

[Maze]

You'll recall a few months ago that we advertized a poll/survey being conducted for a "Sociology of Superman" study. Below are the preliminary data results from that study based on the results of 2136 questionnaires completed online by Superman fans.
The study was conducted by John Tenuto, who explains:


The data results are not based from a scientific sample. Therefore, all results should be read as pertaining to the 2136 fans, not to all Superman fans. Fans from 54 countries completed the questionnaire, with the United States, Canada, The United Kingdom, and Australia with the most representation of Superman fans. Thank you for your assistance in the Sociology of Superman study.

What is your favorite filmed version of Superman? Superman: The Movie 35.2%
Superman Returns 16.8%
Smallville 10.5%
Superman II 8.8%
No answer 8.1%
Justice League or Justice League Unlimited 7.5%
Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman 4%
The Adventures of Superman 2.3%
Superman Animated 2.2%
The Fleischer Superman Films 1.7%
Fans answering all versions or other versions as favorites 1.4%
Superfriends .7%
Superman III .1%
The Kirk Alyn Superman Films .0%
Superman IV .0%

Gender issues for favorite version of filmed Superman
The four favorites of female fans of Superman Superman: The Movie 32.7%
Superman Returns 19.4%
Lois and Clark 14.2%
Smallville 10.0%

The four favorites of male fans of Superman Superman: The Movie 39.1%
Superman Returns 18.4%
Smallville 11.3%
Lois and Clark 3.2%

Education issues for favorite versions of filmed Superman

The four favorites of fans who attended or completed high school or the equivalent Superman: The Movie 40.1%
Superman Returns 24.9%
Smallville 11.5%
Superman II 7.8%

The four favorites of fans who attended college Superman: The Movie 36.8%
Superman Returns 19.2%
Smallville 12.6%
Justice League 8.8%

The four favorites of fans who completed college Superman: The Movie 39.1%
Superman Returns 15.4%
Superman II 11.8%
Smallville 10.4%

The four favorites of fans with graduate degrees or the equivalent Superman: The Movie 40.7%
Superman Returns 17.6%
Smallville 9.5%
Justice League 8.8%

The four favorites of fans with PhDs or the equivalent Superman: The Movie 30.3%
Superman Returns 18.3%
Superman II 16.7%
Justice League 10.6%

Which actor is your favorite Superman? Christopher Reeve 61.9%
Brandon Routh 12.9%
Tom Welling 8.8%
No answer 8.3%
George Reeves 3.4%
Dean Cain 3.3%
Various .8%
Tim Daly .4%
Kirk Alyn .1%

Which actress is your favorite Lois Lane? Teri Hatcher 32.8%
Margot Kidder 21.3%
Erica Durance 20.0%
No answer 8.9%
Kate Bosworth 8.5%
Noel Neill 5.5%
Dana Delaney 1.5%
Phyllis Coates 1.1%
Various .4%

Gender issues for favorite Superman The four favorites of female fans of Superman Christopher Reeve 68.8%
Brandon Routh 21.3%
Tom Welling 7.6%
Dean Cain 6.6%

Teri Hatcher 38.4%
Margot Kidder 29.4%
Noel Neill 10.9%
Erica Durance 9.0%

The four favorites of male fans of Superman Christopher Reeve 57.8%
Brandon Routh 13.0%
Tom Welling 9.7%
George Reeves 3.9%

Teri Hatcher 38.4%
Erica Durance 23.6%
Margot Kidder 22.1%
Kate Bosworth 9.3%

Education issues for favorite Superman

The four favorites of fans who attended or completed high school or the equivalent Christopher Reeve 64.7%
Brandon Routh 19.3%
Tom Welling 10.0%
George Reeves 2.6%

Teri Hatcher 32.3%
Erica Durance 26.0%
Margot Kidder 19.7%
Kate Bosworth 14.1%

The four favorites of fans who attended college Christopher Reeve 67.3%
Brandon Routh 13.8%
Tom Welling 9.9%
Dean Cain 4.6%

Teri Hatcher 34.3%
Erica Durance 24.1%
Margot Kidder 21.5%
Kate Bosworth 9.4%

The four favorites of fans who completed college Christopher Reeve 68.7%
Brandon Routh 11.1%
Tom Welling 9.9%
George Reeves 4.5%

Teri Hatcher 37.9%
Margot Kidder 25.6%
Erica Durance 19.0%
Kate Bosworth 6.7%

The four favorites of fans with graduate degrees or the equivalent Christopher Reeve 67.4%
Brandon Routh 15.0%
Tom Welling 8.1%
George Reeves 5.1%

Teri Hatcher 39.2%
Margot Kidder 22.7%
Erica Durance 20.9%
Kate Bosworth 8.4%

The four favorites of fans with PhDs or the equivalent Christopher Reeve 72.7%
Brandon Routh 12.1%
George Reeves 7.6%
Tom Welling 6.1%

Teri Hatcher 40.9%
Margot Kidder 27.3%
Erica Durance 10.6%
Noel Neill 10.6%

During the past 12 months fans who completed the questionnaire for sociology helped to create a Superman fan film 1.3%
wrote Superman fan fiction 5.1%
received a Superman related autograph from a Superman actor or actress 5.8%
dressed in a Superman related costume 11.2%
read Superman fan fiction 14.5%
attended a comic book convention 14.9%
listened to a Superman podcast 19.6%
contributed to a comic book blog or forum 21.7%
watched a Superman fan created film 31.8%
read a comic book blog or forum 46.7%
purchased a Superman toy or collectible 50.0%
wore a Superman item of clothing, for example a hat 53.0%
read a Superman comic book 67.9%
read a Superman novel 70.4%
watched a Superman television episode on DVD or video tape 71.1%
watched a Superman movie on DVD or video tape 80.2%

Marital Status Married 47.8%
Never Married 14.1%
No answer 14.1%
Divorced 3.4%
Social 2.2%
Engaged 1.6%
Widowed .1%

Gender Male 76.1%
No answer 14.0%
Female 9.9%

Mode for Age of Superman Fans: 26

Education of Superman Fans Attended college 29.8%
B.A. 27.1%
No answer 14.7%
Graduate 12.8%
High School graduate 12.6%
PhD 3.1%



Posted by Steve Younis on October 9, 2006 12:01am EST 3 Comments · 548 Reads

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[I SEE SPIDEY]

Thats interesting.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I believe Returns has just passed the $200m mark at the US box office.

 

[buggs0268]

lol YES he did say it is as fact

"face it"

thunders always been the ***** of the group. w/e

No he has not. He just has never agreed with the direction that Singer took. To you guys, people who like the movie are open minded and enlightened. Those who dont, to you guys, have always been uneducated. And those who voice their dislike of the film are A$$holes to you guys. You guys are teh biggest bunch of pompous, arogant, so an so's. Go create another theorum of stupidity in another self important thread titled "The Excel Theroum" and act like you are king of the world, and stop attacking people who don't like the film.

 

[ultimatefan]

Superman Returns is now at almost 199,4m...

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Come on supes..

like Batman..you always overcome the odds.!!!!

 

[Retroman]

I hope it makes it. Its going to go down to wire thats for sure.

Hi Retro Nice to read you !

You too Maze.

 

[Retroman]

This is what SR made up until October 1st....

SUPERMAN RETURNS

Domestic Total as of Oct. 1, 2006:

Domestic: $198,935,940 51.1%
+ Foreign: $190,000,000 48.9%

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= Worldwide: $388,935,940

Source: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman06.htm


and these are the numbers until October 8th....

SUPERMAN RETURNS

Domestic Total as of Oct. 8, 2006:

Domestic: $199,394,532 51.2%
+ Foreign: $190,000,000 48.8%

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= Worldwide: $389,394,532

Source: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman06.htm

Its making a lot of cash for a movie thats on its last legs.

 

[buggs0268]

Wow. Failed to crack $200 million? It isn't even out of theaters yet. Considering the flick is at slightly over $199 million and should be at $199.4 million this weekend, I'd say $200 million is damn near a lock.

Horn also said it will be profitable and that they hope to have the sequel ready for 2009. The flick'll earn about $400 million worldwide, plus money from ancillary sources and DVD sales. WB isn't exactly going to be crying about SR's profitabilty.

The quote from Horn was "it will eventually be profitable." EVENTUALLY. Meaning farther down the road. And the fact is, again, no one took into account the advertising cost WArner's spent for SR, also the fact that they were begging first theaters to keep the film in their theaters at 75 percent of the profits, which is pretty much unheard of and shows deperation. And one theater owner told them "75 percent of nothing is still nothing". That is deperation to reach 200 mill domestic. And about 25 mill of that figure is from the IMAX 3D showings, which were mostly a draw because it was the first movie in 3D IMAX. So, take out the novely of IMAX, and SR only made about 160-170 something mill.

 

[buggs0268]

This is what SR made up until October 1st....


Source: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman06.htm


and these are the numbers until October 8th....


Source: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman06.htm

Its making a lot of cash for a movie thats on its last legs.

beause it is in the dollar theaters now, and Warner's doesn't make any profits from those theaters.

 

[Showtime]

also the fact that they were begging first theaters to keep the film in their theaters at 75 percent of the profits, which is pretty much unheard of and shows deperation. And one theater owner told them "75 percent of nothing is still nothing".

Where did you get that tidbit?

 

[explode7]

WTF? SR aint at 200M yet. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

The quote from Horn was "it will eventually be profitable." EVENTUALLY. Meaning farther down the road. And the fact is, again, no one took into account the advertising cost WArner's spent for SR, also the fact that they were begging first theaters to keep the film in their theaters at 75 percent of the profits, which is pretty much unheard of and shows deperation. And one theater owner told them "75 percent of nothing is still nothing". That is deperation to reach 200 mill domestic. And about 25 mill of that figure is from the IMAX 3D showings, which were mostly a draw because it was the first movie in 3D IMAX. So, take out the novely of IMAX, and SR only made about 160-170 something mill.

Well no duh. Eventually, meaning most likely with DVD revenues. And yes, Horner was taking the advertising costs into account.

And of course you can take out the money that SR made in IMAX. But that proves nothing. Despite the theaters it was in, the film has still made 199.4 million dollars. As I explained in another thread, people went and saw SR continuously in IMAX because they wanted to, not because they were forced to.

Like it or not, SR has shown tremendous legs.

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

beause it is in the dollar theaters now, and Warner's doesn't make any profits from those theaters.

Huh? The dollar theaters tend to bring in another million dollars to the total of the films they show. It doesn't matter where the money comes from, if SR is making money at the box office, be it IMAX, regular theaters or dollar theaters then they're sure to be happy.

 

[Mister J]

I wish I could find it in a dollar theatre. The theatres in my area have it at that $7-8.50 range (as of last week). Come on, it's been 3 1/2 months since the release.