Superman Returns SR Sequel: $200 million or else!?

[kal-el2006]

ha..good times..the ONLY SUPERMAN movie to reach 200 million unlike the previous films t:

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey kal-el!

ha..good times..the ONLY SUPERMAN movie to reach 200 million unlike the previous films t:

Unless we adjust for inflation wherein:

Superman the Movie = $377 million domestic ($843 million worldwide)

Cost to make Superman the Movie = $154 million

Superman II = $255 million domestic

Cost of making Superman II = $127 million

Domestically both pulled in over DOUBLE what they cost to make.

Good times indeed! t:

 

[bunk]

Hey kal-el!



Unless we adjust for inflation wherein:

Superman the Movie = $377 million domestic ($843 million worldwide)

Cost to make Superman the Movie = $154 million

Superman II = $255 million domestic

Cost of making Superman II = $127 million

Domestically both pulled in over DOUBLE what they cost to make.

Good times indeed! t:

!!

 

[GreenKToo]

Yes,good times.A sequel is in the hat now.

 

[ShinyBlackSuit]

Hey Shiny!


Listen 'ninja-boy', you may have a sixth sense, but I have a sixth a seventh and an eighth.


On the contrary, my math is impeccable.



Allow me to enlighten you.

The studio only 'nets' 55% of the domestic gross, and 45% of the overseas gross. The rest of the gross goes to the cinema theatres.

So to clarify, the studio has NOT recouped its losses. It is still many millions in the red.



Fortunately, unlike you, the Warner Bros. accountants won't have trouble with basic arithmetic.



You misunderstand. I make no personal comments on the mans character. I do make comments on the movie he made. A director must bear the responsibility for making a bad movie, just as much as they take the plaudits for making a good one.



I think I read something like this in the book of Revelations, Hell on Earth if I'm not mistaken.



Sounds like a plan!

Upper Pizza Krust, in your own little weird way, you have held your own little buckled shoes in a battle of wits with Shiny. You're still standing, you're still strong, and you deserve a sticked in your report card for a job well done. You are the little engine that could in my book. t:

Anyhoo, I am a bit perplexed (a mixture of + ) by how you behave sometimes. I scratch my ninja head whenever you act like a hysterical woman who has spotted a church mouse about Superman Returns box office numbers. Your statement of "Superman Returns is still many million dollars in the red" should be put in perspective. Even if we are to take your estimates that WB grossed $190M respectively, ancillary merchandises and DVD sales during the upcoming holidays will in the end place Superman Returns as a profitable investment. Perhaps you can take comfort in the fact that when everything is tallied up Superman Returns will be in the black, since you seem to weep like an old maid about the financial state of Warner Brothers each time you think about it. You know, frowns cause wrinkles, so you should really take it easy. t:

Furthermore, I don't understand how you throw all these box office numbers around as if they make a great point. Just because a particular film makes a ton of dough, you believe it is a "great picture"? I don't get it. By that logic, "Bad Boys II" should be winning Oscars left and right. I'd like to believe that you can make up your own mind about liking a movie without the help of box office numbers, but some people like to jump a bandwagon without an original thought in their head.......

I know a lot of people will continue to post in this message board and put Superman Returns and Bryan Singer down and point out the Box Office numbers as their number one point of justification. Of course, the Superman Returns haters will continually use this one reference to fuel everything that comes out of their mouth. But after all is said and done, Superman will return, yet again, with a sequel. Bryan Singer will yet again direct, and it will be a punch in the gut for all of you Bryan-haters out there when Superman Returns II comes out in the theaters because all of your internet rants and whinings would have done nothing to prevent its box office release. You will have to take it with a smile as Bryan Singer controls Superman-verse for the next decade or so. I sleep better at night, all warm and cozy, knowing that each and every one of you Bryan-haters will have to deal with this fact for the rest of your life. Let it burn your soul.

Adieu.

PS - Upper Krust, until you come to see things my way, your wife will continue to be barren and your seed impotent.

Adieu, adieu.

 

[Showtime]

It seems like UpperKrust and Shiny Black Suit are the same person. Like Superman and Clark Kent.

 

[JamalYIgle]

Finally, and most important, the fixation on box-office grosses obscures the much more lucrative global home-entertainment business, which is the New Hollywood's real profit center. The six major studios spoon-feed their box-office grosses to the media, but they go to great lengths to conceal the other components of their revenue streams from the public, as well as from the agents, stars, and writers who may profit from a movie.
Each of the major studios, however, supplies the real numbers to its trade association, the MPAA, including a detailed breakdown of the money they actually receive, country by country, from movie theaters, home video, network television, local television, pay television, and pay-per-view, which is then privately circulated among the six studios as "All Media Revenue Report." (To see these private data click here.)
These numbers tell the story. Ticket sales from theaters provided 100 percent of the studios' revenues in 1948; in 2003, they accounted for less than 20 percent. Instead, home entertainment provided 82 percent of the 2003 revenues. In terms of profits, the studios can make an even larger proportion from home entertainment since most, if not all, of the theatrical revenues go to pay for the prints and advertising required to get audiences into theaters. (Video, DVDs, and TV have much lower marketing costs.)

 

[Showtime]

Didn't I post something previously with that same information?

 

[War Lord]

Yes,good times.A sequel is in the hat now.

We hope there will be a sequel, with Singer having read a few Superman comics and watched the entire TAS and JLA and JLU this time around, but it's not a slam dunk yet.

Until WB says that there is a sequel, there might not be a sequel.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hello again!



No apologies necessary. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just don't understand yours, I honestly don't. Is that really what some of you want from a Superman movie? Or is it just that you will support a Superman movie no matter what?

Do you want the same amount of action from the sequel?

Do you want the sequel to be Singer's 'homage' to Donner's Superman II?

Should Superman do more super-peeping in the sequel?

Should Jason kill again?

Well i dont understand your view on the movie either, i was never an avid Superman fan but to me this movie got me more interested in Superman than ANYTHING else i have ever seen him in.

If you want an explanantion of what i loved about this movie, see my 'little things' thread, i explain extensively multiple times why i love this movie, and i am not going through it again.

 

[Lestat74]

Hey Krusty,
What did people like about it...
I can asnwer that
Opening sequence : the music, the nostalgia, the shot through space.
Minimal dialogue : yeah some were turned off by this but personally Im a fan of directors who are capable of conveying emotion without explaining everything, IMO Singer did this brilliantly.
"Even if you arent the last, you're not alone"
Rooftop scene : With what I consider to be one of the best lines in a super hero movie...
"You say the world doenst need a saviour..."
Superman trying to get back in Lois good graces after that article, and no I never felt like he was trying to romantically win her back, he just wanted her on his side and to understand that the world does need him.
Kitty and Lex's chemistry : these two were hysterical, the love/hate relationship was great and I felt giving Lex someone who was capable of verbally sparring with him quite samrt. It seemed they actually enjoyed each others viciousness.
The kid : I was appauled at the idea at first but you know what, in my eyes they totally pulled it off. The ending where Superman leaves Jason with Lois and Richard I felt directly realted to Clark being brought up by the Kents. An extraordinary being raised by ordinary folks.

I agree with these reasons...now I'm gonna add mine for good measure:

-Brandon Routh's portrayal of Clark...instead of the overly bumbly guy, he plays him as a better looking version of Milton from Office Space...The nice guy who's "just there"...ya barely notice he's been gone, and ya barely notice that's he's back. ( Unless you are Jimmy of course ) He's just "that guy from the Office". We all know one.


-The way Superman's presence makes everyone more heroic ( Lois going back for Superman in the sea plane, Richard agreeing to fly them against odds of survival ) Superman is supposed to be an inspiration, why not start with those closest to him?

-The use of the Marlon Brando/Jor-El voice-overs, and having Superman echo the Jor-El speech to Jason at the end. Brilliant.

-Superman in his Alex Ross pose above the Earth listening. Love it.

-Superman's "good bye" to Lois as he leaves the plane, on what he believes will be his last mission.

-Superman flying up towards the Sun to re-energize. Everyone loves that shot.

-Perry White. I love that he's not a carciture of the "mean uber boss" like J Jonah Jameson ( although I think that's a fun performance ) but comes across as a real person for the first time. I love his fatherly relationship with Lois.

Oh, there are more, but that's just off the top of my head. This movie has a lot of meta text, and I find that more intriguing that something more straight forward.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Excellent points by both Green and Lestat, and those are just of the reasons why i love this movie.

 

[Maze]

I agree with these reasons...now I'm gonna add mine for good measure:

-Brandon Routh's portrayal of Clark...instead of the overly bumbly guy, he plays him as a better looking version of Milton from Office Space...The nice guy who's "just there"...ya barely notice he's been gone, and ya barely notice that's he's back. ( Unless you are Jimmy of course ) He's just "that guy from the Office". We all know one.


-The way Superman's presence makes everyone more heroic ( Lois going back for Superman in the sea plane, Richard agreeing to fly them against odds of survival ) Superman is supposed to be an inspiration, why not start with those closest to him?

-The use of the Marlon Brando/Jor-El voice-overs, and having Superman echo the Jor-El speech to Jason at the end. Brilliant.

-Superman in his Alex Ross pose above the Earth listening. Love it.

-Superman's "good bye" to Lois as he leaves the plane, on what he believes will be his last mission.

-Superman flying up towards the Sun to re-energize. Everyone loves that shot.

-Perry White. I love that he's not a carciture of the "mean uber boss" like J Jonah Jameson ( although I think that's a fun performance ) but comes across as a real person for the first time. I love his fatherly relationship with Lois.

Oh, there are more, but that's just off the top of my head. This movie has a lot of meta text, and I find that more intriguing that something more straight forward.

Exellent post that remind why i love so much that movie

 

[ultimatefan]

Hey kal-el!



Unless we adjust for inflation wherein:

Superman the Movie = $377 million domestic ($843 million worldwide)

Cost to make Superman the Movie = $154 million

Superman II = $255 million domestic

Cost of making Superman II = $127 million

Domestically both pulled in over DOUBLE what they cost to make.

Good times indeed! t:

Good times, except they didn´t have DVDs, tie-ins, merchandise, big paid TV deals, etc.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Christ , this topic is still going strong
Boy we sure do love to tear SR a new one huh

Ah well , congrats to SR for finally reaching it's 200 million mark.
Even tough it took 'em long enough , i still think it's a mark that is well deserved.
btw ,i found a rather good website with some proper numbers of BO numbers of movies.
Here's SR page :
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2006/SPRMN.php

There are some fascjinating facts there.
IMAX Sales being $22,800,000 , tv rights estimated between 17-25 million

 

[GreenKToo]

yes my friend thats true,but I would bet on it happening more, than not....Just for the record,it matters not to me if bryan comes back.I just want another supes film.

We hope there will be a sequel, with Singer having read a few Superman comics and watched the entire TAS and JLA and JLU this time around, but it's not a slam dunk yet.

Until WB says that there is a sequel, there might not be a sequel.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

199.7 within the next week and a half would be good

200 million by November would be cool.

Ahead of schedule by my estimate

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Ha ha yeah looks like, who know, it might have made another half a million by November!

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Krusty,

Hey Green!

What did people like about it...
I can asnwer that
Opening sequence : the music, the nostalgia, the shot through space.

All borrowed.

Minimal dialogue : yeah some were turned off by this but personally Im a fan of directors who are capable of conveying emotion without explaining everything, IMO Singer did this brilliantly.

It seemed pretty obvious they were trying to minimise Brandon's role, even though his was the best casting, hes not a good actor, lets be fair. However, I could tolerate him in the role.

"Even if you arent the last, you're not alone"
Rooftop scene : With what I consider to be one of the best lines in a super hero movie...
"You say the world doenst need a saviour..."
Superman trying to get back in Lois good graces after that article, and no I never felt like he was trying to romantically win her back, he just wanted her on his side and to understand that the world does need him.

I'm sure if Richard had seen them together, he wouldn't have been so forgiving as you.

Kitty and Lex's chemistry : these two were hysterical, the love/hate relationship was great and I felt giving Lex someone who was capable of verbally sparring with him quite samrt. It seemed they actually enjoyed each others viciousness.

Another 'homage'.

The kid : I was appauled at the idea at first but you know what, in my eyes they totally pulled it off. The ending where Superman leaves Jason with Lois and Richard I felt directly realted to Clark being brought up by the Kents. An extraordinary being raised by ordinary folks.

Personally I don't think the kid (murder scene aside) was the problem with the movie. But its just such cul-de-sac to go down.

Anyway, I could go on but I dont really care to dwell on things. Unlike some I wont sit here for 117 days and just complain about something...seems like such a waste to me.

Unless of course you were campaigning for a better movie second time around, and as such were posting constructive criticism.

Alot of people who saw this movie liked it, i just dont think they are quite as vocal as though who didnt, you're just going to have to accept that.

I think both sides have been vocal. I just don't think those who believed it was a good movie have as much objective ammunition to back their argument up.

Cant wait for Singer's sequel

The only saving grace from my perspective is that a sequel can't be as bad as Superman Returns...can it?

As for the Donner/Zod rehash...funny thing is fanboys were foaming at the mouth at the beginnning of production over the inclusion of Zod, now they have done a 180, go figure...fickle.

Thats because Singer made such a mess with his first attempt that at this juncture anything seems good by comparison.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hello my ninja friend!

Upper Pizza Krust, in your own little weird way, you have held your own little buckled shoes in a battle of wits with Shiny. You're still standing, you're still strong, and you deserve a sticked in your report card for a job well done. You are the little engine that could in my book. t:

Flattered I'm sure.

Anyhoo, I am a bit perplexed (a mixture of + ) by how you behave sometimes. I scratch my ninja head whenever you act like a hysterical woman who has spotted a church mouse about Superman Returns box office numbers. Your statement of "Superman Returns is still many million dollars in the red" should be put in perspective. Even if we are to take your estimates that WB grossed $190M respectively, ancillary merchandises and DVD sales during the upcoming holidays will in the end place Superman Returns as a profitable investment. Perhaps you can take comfort in the fact that when everything is tallied up Superman Returns will be in the black, since you seem to weep like an old maid about the financial state of Warner Brothers each time you think about it. You know, frowns cause wrinkles, so you should really take it easy. t:

By all accounts Superman Returns merchandise is not selling overtly well (see the thread entitled "So you thought you disliked Superman Returns..."). Whether it will be in the black by the time EVERYTHING is tallied remains to be seen.

The profit margins for dvd sales are about 55%. So we are probably looking at maybe $11-12 profit (averaged over 1 disc and 2 disc sets) per dvd (not counting those sold in China of course where they sell for $2).

So to erase the $114 million loss so far they need to sell, 10+ million dvds at full price (Assuming they didn't promise any of the dvd profits to Singer).

I can't find anywhere online that lists total dvd sales figures. Although like I said X-Men 3 sold 2.6 million in 3 days. My guess is they probably end up doing about 2-3 times the 3 day figure (which of course encompasses initial shop stalk, pre-orders and rental units).

So if Superman sells 1 million units in its first 3 days, it may ultimately sell 3 million. Although the second figure is just an educated guess on my part, if someone can find any links that have the sales figures for the likes of Shrek 2 or Spiderman 2 etc. we could sort that out easy enough.

Furthermore, I don't understand how you throw all these box office numbers around as if they make a great point. Just because a particular film makes a ton of dough, you believe it is a "great picture"? I don't get it. By that logic, "Bad Boys II" should be winning Oscars left and right. I'd like to believe that you can make up your own mind about liking a movie without the help of box office numbers, but some people like to jump a bandwagon without an original thought in their head.......

I would suspect most Oscar winning films are actually successful at the box office. I can't think of one that didn't at least make their money back at the box office alone, though there may well be one?

Thats not to say that the film that makes the most money is always good. But the more money a movie makes the more entertaining a movie definately is. Entertainment is a word seldom used in tandem with Superman Returns.

I know a lot of people will continue to post in this message board and put Superman Returns and Bryan Singer down and point out the Box Office numbers as their number one point of justification. Of course, the Superman Returns haters will continually use this one reference to fuel everything that comes out of their mouth. But after all is said and done, Superman will return, yet again, with a sequel.

Warner Bros. are in a difficult position. They placed a lot of faith in Bryan Singer and he didn't deliver. Sacking him would only cause friction, for other Warner projects they want him to handle. Remember he was signed for 'BIG' money. They want to get something back for their investment. So the execs at Warner are probably thinking that the best plan is to go ahead and hope that they turn a profit with the next movie by pandering to the two main demographics so rudely ignored with the first movie. Namely, the younger audience and the action movie audience.

By lowering the budget to maybe $175 million. Reducing Singer's wages to maybe $5 million and almost certainly removing altogether his slice of the gross. Getting someone with a clue to go over the script/storyboard this time around. Making sure Singer doesn't create an extra hour of movie that ends up on the cutting room floor. They may actually fluke turning a profit, assuming enough fans haven't already been turned off by the first movie.

However, none of that vindicates the abomination that is the first movie. Its simply making the best of a bad situation.

Were I in Warner's shoes I would probably have kept Singer (even though I don't think keeping him is better for the Superman franchise, its probably better for Warner Bros. as a whole.)

Bryan Singer will yet again direct, and it will be a punch in the gut for all of you Bryan-haters out there when Superman Returns II comes out in the theaters because all of your internet rants and whinings would have done nothing to prevent its box office release. You will have to take it with a smile as Bryan Singer controls Superman-verse for the next decade or so. I sleep better at night, all warm and cozy, knowing that each and every one of you Bryan-haters will have to deal with this fact for the rest of your life. Let it burn your soul.

If 'Plan A' (to get Singer replaced) fails then we can only hope 'Plan B' (to get Singer to listen to the fans, or perhaps more likely, to get Warner Bros. to listen to the fans and then explain what they want to Singer) succeeds.

PS - Upper Krust, until you come to see things my way, your wife will continue to be barren and your seed impotent.

I'm sorry but I'll never turn to the dark side, you've failed.

 

[Upper_Krust]

It seems like UpperKrust and Shiny Black Suit are the same person. Like Superman and Clark Kent.

Probably more like Superman and Bizarro Superman. Which of us is which I'll let people decide on their own.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Howdy!

Well i dont understand your view on the movie either,

Its very simple. I want a summer blockbuster to entertain me, not put me to sleep.

Humanising Superman may sound like a good idea, but thats not what makes him 'super'.

What idiot's idea was it to make a Superman melodrama, dear goodness.

i was never an avid Superman fan but to me this movie got me more interested in Superman than ANYTHING else i have ever seen him in.

If you want an explanantion of what i loved about this movie, see my 'little things' thread, i explain extensively multiple times why i love this movie, and i am not going through it again.

I'll take a look when I get the chance.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi ultimatefan!

Good times, except they didn´t have DVDs, tie-ins, merchandise, big paid TV deals, etc.

I'd be amazed if Superman Returns sells more than 10 million dvds. DVDs have the advantage that they do always turn a profit. But for a blockbuster the bulk of the profits should still come from the box office.

Didn't someone post the breakdowns of Spiderman 2's profits in one of these threads a while back. Can anyone remember where that post is?

I already factored tie-ins and tv deals as offsetting the promotional costs.

Merchandise is probably better when you make an all ages movie - not some downbeat, lifeless, adult melodrama.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Howdy!



Its very simple. I want a summer blockbuster to entertain me, not put me to sleep.

Humanising Superman may sound like a good idea, but thats not what makes him 'super'.

What idiot's idea was it to make a Superman melodrama, dear goodness.



I'll take a look when I get the chance.

Well this seems to be what you cant comprehend, it may have put YOU to sleep, but for me and many other, it was a great summer blockbuster. I've seen it 7 times and it never dragged or got broing once during those viewings, and I think it is the best movie of 2006 so far.

 

[GreenKToo]

in case any one hasnt saw the news....
http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=22756