SR vs X3

[WorthyStevens]

Actually only Superman went back in time. The Earth's rotation changing was simply symbolic of that fact. Nice try though.

Go back to watching movies that make a mockery of Superman's character like Superman Returns.

As opposed to a movie that makes a mockery and betrayal of it's 2 predecessors, as well as it's mutant characters?

 

[L0ngsh0t]

As opposed to a movie that makes a mockery and betrayal of it's 2 predecessors, as well as it's mutant characters?

Ahh but the two predecessors of X3 make a mockery, and betrayle of the comic books, what do you prefer?

Because I hate X1 with a burning flame, it might be one of the most useless movies ever, it stands no point except to represent the xmen while not coming close to resembling any of the characters, when the coolest scene in the whole movie is the bar fight, because we can't quite see wolverine yet, or definatley here him talk, and not be the mysterious wild card, but a father figure, when that is the best scene in the movie, the movie is in trouble

 

[WorthyStevens]

Ahh but the two predecessors of X3 make a mockery, and betrayle of the comic books, what do you prefer?

But X3 had a great chance to redeem most faults that the other movies had, comic-to-movie-wise.

We could have had a more fleshed out Storm, a more commanding leader out of Cyclops, an extremely powerful Phoenix (not some zombie), a more self-assured Rogue, and a jokester Iceman. Not to mention the movie brought in Angel, who could have very well been alot more true to the comics. And older as well, might I add.

I will say that X3 nailed Beast I thought, personality-wise. His make-up/costuming could have been better however.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

But X3 had a great chance to redeem most faults that the other movies had, comic-to-movie-wise.

We could have had a more fleshed out Storm, a more commanding leader out of Cyclops, an extremely powerful Phoenix (not some zombie), a more self-assured Rogue, and a jokester Iceman. Not to mention the movie brought in Angel, who could have very well been alot more true to the comics. And older as well, might I add.

I will say that X3 nailed Beast I thought, personality-wise. His make-up/costuming could have been better however.

I totally agree, X3 could have done alot more released from the "I'm going to completely change everything about X-men" mind frame that Brian Singer had it in.

But still, we have Singer and X1 to blame in the first place

All of the character flaws in X3 are because they didn't want to mess with the continuity because it was to be precived as a trilogy.

 

[mathhater]

...In a parallel universe, Bryan Singer directed X3, possibly the greatest superhero film, while a director who didn't love Donner's Supes film with a passion made a great Superman film.

Sucks for us.

We're on the same wavelength...here's what I said back on page 6...

Originally Posted by mathhater
I liked both movies, but both could have been a thousand times better. IMO this world would be a better place if Singer stuck with X-Men and someone who didn't have a man-crush on Richard Donner got to handle Superman.

This year started off with such potential. Then in one movie we ALMOST received a Sentinel (Well we got to see some spotlight eyes and a pretty robot head...) We ALMOST got to see the Dark Phoenix (but she rose with nothing but a bright light...WTF?)...we almost got to see Colossus (and what we did see looked like total crap.)...and Ratner deleted some really, really necessary stuff. Not to mention all the nasty filmmaking (Wolverine's healing shirt, among others.)

While in the other movie we received an insane Lex Luthor with no idea what the hell he was doing (as opposed to the genius he's supposed to be)...and a Lex Luthor who's character and goals were almost exactly identical to what we saw in another movie back in 1978...then there's the lack of any kind of relationship between Lois & Clark...the flat out ignoring of the past events that this movie is supposedly based on...the lack of any kind of cohiesive storytelling in a movie where so much is implied and not shown or explained...and once again, the cutting of some truly necessary scenes. Neither movie gave us the experience it should have.

 

[WorthyStevens]

I totally agree, X3 could have done alot more released from the "I'm going to completely change everything about X-men" mind frame that Brian Singer had it in.

But still, we have Singer and X1 to blame in the first place

All of the character flaws in X3 are because they didn't want to mess with the continuity because it was to be precived as a trilogy.

I agree, to an extent. While Singer screwed some things up, like Iceman and Rogue, by the end of X2, it looked as if he was trying to build things up. Like with Rogue. She clearly became stronger, while still being somewhat afraid, by the end of X2. But I guess Ratner felt like he had to do his own thing separate from Singer.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I agree, to an extent. While Singer screwed some things up, like Iceman and Rogue, by the end of X2, it looked as if he was trying to build things up. Like with Rogue. She clearly became stronger, while still being somewhat afraid, by the end of X2. But I guess Ratner felt like he had to do his own thing separate from Singer.

So you give a guy the benifit of the doubt, because BY THE END OF HIS SECOND MOVIE IN THE FRANCHISE, he apparently was on the right track, if people gave Schumacer that kind of leeway, we wouldn't be out of the Batman dark ages yet

 

[aaron]

I believe Singer did a pretty damn good job of X1 & X2, except for a few character's, I'm thoroughly happy with how they went.

 

[Triadkd]

Superman Returns was one of the worst films of the year. Bryan Singer has succesfully ass raped two comic book franchises. He is so god damn snobby that he thinks comics are below him and try's to base them in "reality". I dont want ***ing reality you stupid *******. I want superman punching metallo in the face, not wacky lex luthor and friends real estate adventures. Ratner's X-men is the best of all three, who cares if he killed cyclops? For all intents and purposes he may as well have been dead in the first two. In fact why was he in the movie at all. Singer should have just replaced him with gambit or something.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Superman Returns was one of the worst films of the year. Bryan Singer has succesfully ass raped two comic book franchises. He is so god damn snobby that he thinks comics are below him and try's to base them in "reality". I dont want ***ing reality you stupid *******. I want superman punching metallo in the face, not wacky lex luthor and friends real estate adventures. Ratner's X-men is the best of all three, who cares if he killed cyclops? For all intents and purposes he may as well have been dead in the first two. In fact why was he in the movie at all. Singer should have just replaced him with gambit or something.

Wooord

This is truth

 

[Spider-Fan]

While Superman Returns is a pretentious rehash of a movie from 78, X-Men: The Last Stand was a fun movie. Was it flawed? Yes, but I felt X1 & X2 had many problems as well. In fact, some problems I feel X3 had were in part due to the first two movies (Cyclops getting the shaft again, Rogue, etc). I liked how we got to see the characters use their full abilities in this movie. I also thought Magneto was handled well (he was easily the best handled character in the trilogy). Beast was great, also. Superman Returns was too vague, and tried to be a deep movie, but at its core, it is very shallow. Superman is a jerk and had no just reason for leaving. Since the premise wasn't explained well at all, I can't buy into the character or the ludicrous story.

 

[Erzengel]

The best of all three X movies?

Truly it has rasied the bench mark higher than the previous Spiderman 1 & 2 and BB combined.

 

[Darren Daring]

I agree with whatever Erz's opinion is

 

[Darren Daring]

The best of all three X movies?

Truly it has rasied the bench mark higher than the previous Spiderman 1 & 2 and BB combined.

oh, good.

 

[Erzengel]

I agree with whatever Erz's opinion is

:heart:

 

[L0ngsh0t]

oh, good.

Yes, awesome Brodie avatar

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

They thread has been good for a chuckle.

I have to say I just don't understand, even if you liked X3, which I did, how you could say that it had even decent character development? It didn't and thats not even an opinion that is fact. It's a silly loud action movie. Also judging by my first and only viewing of SR, I don't understand how anybody can think that the character developement it that movie is great. I just don't.

 

[Substance D]

They thread has been good for a chuckle.

I have to say I just don't understand, even if you liked X3, which I did, how you could say that it had even decent character development? It didn't and thats not even an opinion that is fact. It's a silly loud action movie. Also judging by my first and only viewing of SR, I don't understand how anybody can think that the character developement it that movie is great. I just don't.

The same rings true for SR, only it didn't even have silly loud action.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

We're on the same wavelength...here's what I said back on page 6...

Originally Posted by mathhater
I liked both movies, but both could have been a thousand times better. IMO this world would be a better place if Singer stuck with X-Men and someone who didn't have a man-crush on Richard Donner got to handle Superman.

This year started off with such potential. Then in one movie we ALMOST received a Sentinel (Well we got to see some spotlight eyes and a pretty robot head...) We ALMOST got to see the Dark Phoenix (but she rose with nothing but a bright light...WTF?)...we almost got to see Colossus (and what we did see looked like total crap.)...and Ratner deleted some really, really necessary stuff. Not to mention all the nasty filmmaking (Wolverine's healing shirt, among others.)

While in the other movie we received an insane Lex Luthor with no idea what the hell he was doing (as opposed to the genius he's supposed to be)...and a Lex Luthor who's character and goals were almost exactly identical to what we saw in another movie back in 1978...then there's the lack of any kind of relationship between Lois & Clark...the flat out ignoring of the past events that this movie is supposedly based on...the lack of any kind of cohiesive storytelling in a movie where so much is implied and not shown or explained...and once again, the cutting of some truly necessary scenes. Neither movie gave us the experience it should have.

This post pretty much said everything that needed to be said. Bring on 2007!!

 

[Triadkd]

Singers X-Films are so over rated it makes my soul ache. No teamwork,wolverine fights everyone, and cyclops has little more than a cameo appearence in both. Singer didnt even want cyclops to blast magneto in the first film, he wanted wolverine to slash him.Every gripe against X-3 can be traced back to singer. How can any sane person blast X-3 while praising that donner jerk off fest. I love it when all these guys who said X-3 was gonna be a disaster and sr was gonna be a mega blockbuster try to convince the rest of us that sr was a succes because of "merchandise" and "tv rights".

 

[Secret_Riddle]

Singers X-Films are so over rated it makes my soul ache. No teamwork,wolverine fights everyone, and cyclops has little more than a cameo appearence in both. Singer didnt even want cyclops to blast magneto in the first film, he wanted wolverine to slash him.Every gripe against X-3 can be traced back to singer. How can any sane person blast X-3 while praising that donner jerk off fest. I love it when all these guys who said X-3 was gonna be a disaster and sr was gonna be a mega blockbuster try to convince the rest of us that sr was a succes because of "merchandise" and "tv rights".

Well first off let me say that your post is is very mature, after all who doesn't like phrases like "How can any sane person blast X-3 while praising that donner jerk off fest". Wow you have really convinced me that x-men 3 is a better movie by calling Superman Returns a jerk off fest. I am sorry that you don't like Singers movies. Critically speaking you are in the minority and I am postive you are in the minority among fans also. If you want to see the difference between Ratners and Singers movies then look at the Rotten Tomatoe scores for their films. The difference is usually about 20 percent in Singer's favour. While Superman Returns is by all means not perfect that does not mean that it is a "jerk off fest" just because you prefer full blown action as opposed to a little bit more character in the mix (which is Singer's strong point).

 

[Triadkd]

What charachter was shown in SR. Superman going from voyeur to full blown child abductor perhaps. You didnt dispute any of my facts because you cant. Rotten tomatoes scores mean nothing, it's just someone elses opinion. Besides critics are pc sheep, after reeves death and all of the problems facing the movie none of them wanted to be kill joys. But it's all good I have my rush hour and X-3 dvd's, and im sure you have SR and Nazi Teacher.

 

[cryptic name]

Singers X-Films are so over rated it makes my soul ache. No teamwork,wolverine fights everyone, and cyclops has little more than a cameo appearence in both. Singer didnt even want cyclops to blast magneto in the first film, he wanted wolverine to slash him.Every gripe against X-3 can be traced back to singer. How can any sane person blast X-3 while praising that donner jerk off fest. I love it when all these guys who said X-3 was gonna be a disaster and sr was gonna be a mega blockbuster try to convince the rest of us that sr was a succes because of "merchandise" and "tv rights".

did we see the same X3? because the movie that i saw was a disaster, especially after enjoying the first two X-Men movies so much.

 

[cryptic name]

What charachter was shown in SR. Superman going from voyeur to full blown child abductor perhaps. You didnt dispute any of my facts because you cant. Rotten tomatoes scores mean nothing, it's just someone elses opinion. Besides critics are pc sheep, after reeves death and all of the problems facing the movie none of them wanted to be kill joys. But it's all good I have my rush hour and X-3 dvd's, and im sure you have SR and Nazi Teacher.

hey, Apt Pupil is better than any Ratner movie, and i enjoy the hell out of Rush Hour

 

[Kanon]

I agree in something with Triadkd: Singer's X-Movies are overrated, specially X2. I'm not saying it's a bad movie, it just that people seem to love it and they put it on a pedestal like a big masterpiece, when it has a lot of flaws, just as X3. That's what sickens me the most, not people thinking that X3 sucks, but thinking that and thinking X2 is Raiders of the Lost Ark. I can see if you think both were crappy, it's your opinion, but saying one (any one) is a piece of **** and the other the eight wonder of the world, I'll never get that.