Stan Lee talks X3 & speculates on the X-Future.

[gap5ewl]

i think if marvel takes the rights for it, x4 will be very likey.

 

[ntcrawler]

A New Dawn for LastSunrise. Welcome back, buddy!

If the film was as big of a conclusion as a lot of people say it is, then they wouldn't have ended it the way they did. It would've ended with Magneto staying cured, with Xavier staying dead, and with Cyclops fate not being established whatsoever.

I agree. If you conclude something, then conclude it. Don't try to end it, make a big deal about what a big ending it is, and then act like you don't have the guts to show it as an ending. They kill off Cyke but don't have the guts to show his death, they cure Magneto but suggest it's not permanent, they kill Xavier but show he comes back in 20 minutes, and Jean, the world's most powerful mutant is apparently killed by Wolverine's claws, ironic since in X1 he skewered Mystique good but it wasn't fatal. If you don't have the guts to treat it like an ending, then it's not an ending. Besides, none of the issues were really solved. Magneto never got his war (let's be honest here, Alcatraz was not a war. I've been to a rock concert that was more violent than this and the participants better armed). There was no fallout from the use of Evil Cerebro in X2. The human / mutant issue was not settled. There was a sentinel used in the danger room but its purpose or origin never explained. And what happened to NightCrawler? not even little things like that were ever settled.

It's time to get the rights away from Fox and give them to a studio like Warner Bros, Sony, New Line Cinema, or even LGF. X-Men deserves a studio that will give it the care and focus that it truly deserves. What Fox did to the Phoenix Saga is something that no one, and I mean no one, should ever truly forgive or forget.

I don't quite agree. Yes, the rights should be taken away, but I don't agree that they should be picked up by another studio. THe rights should be picked up by a director, producer, or other person who is directly linked with the artistic, production staff, and then once the rights are secured, to submit them to a studio willing to do the project. Such as, yes, Sony, WB, or NewLine Cinema (who have a reputation for giving people faith, and funding, to produce excellent movies). But not directly to a studio. The X-men franchise should serve as a warning of what can happen when a studio instead of a director have direct control of the rights.

I'm not trying to rip on anyone or rip on anyone who supports the film. But how can you(the supporters of the film) as "true comic book fans" just accept X3? How can you just sit back and say "well, everything is concluded and X4 would just be overkill"?

X3 is not Titanic, or Highlander, or a Jesus Christ movie. Despite the flaws, there can be sequels to the X-men storyline, even without major changes to the previous material. It's supposed to be an ongoing, never-ending story. Not something that's completed in 3 movies.

If Batman fans or even James Bond fans had that kind of attitude then neither film would've gotten a restart.

Exactly. And Donner wouldn't be re-editting Superman II.

Ian isn't getting any younger and I don't know who could play Magneto.

Perhaps Magneto could gracefully bow out for now and let some other villain take center stage.

X4 NEEDS to be done. Plain and simple. I don't care how much money, hype, and care is given to the Wolverine or Magneto film they will not do that well for the studio or in the box office.

Wolverine, Magneto are 2 X-men chars, but they are NOT the X-Men. Spinoffs are fine as long as they co-exist alongside the main material. But they can never replace it.

Has Fox learned anything from Elektra? Yeah, it bombed horribly in the theater and made money via DVD's, but Wolverine and Magneto's stories are not going to appeal to the regular audience at all.

The part of the X-Men audience who are Wolverine or Magneto fans is clearly going to smaller than the entire audience group who are X-men fans, plain and simple. Both spinoffs are just too specific. The beauty of an ensemble movie is that you CAN make it appeal to every fan. Whereas a Wolverine movie is clearly not going to appeal to say, Gambit fans (unless Gambit is in it too, which I doubt)

In my opinion, while their stories are unique and interesting, they're not really interesting enough to be made into a motion picture.

And they're not as interesting when not part of a larger group. Wolverine isn't as fun unless he has the rest of the X-men to play with and torment. Same with Magneto. Magneto, in order to be a villain needs good guys to go up against.

 

[gap5ewl]

wolvie will be a pretty popular movie but magneto won't..

 

[ntcrawler]

wolvie will be a pretty popular movie but magneto won't..

I just don't think it will be as populer as an ensemble movie. Not every X-Men fan is a Wolverine fan. But by making an ensemble movie with enough chars, you can appeal to all the fans.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

X4 WILL happen. The only question is if it'll happen before 2010 and will it feature the original cast.

Forget clones or twin brothers. If they want to bring back Xavier, all they have to do is establish that Jean didn't disintegrate anyone in X3. Rather, she just transported all those people to another dimension ALA Nightcrawler. That way, it's just Xavier communicating with Moria through that body from another dimension. Also, Cyclops and Psylocke can rejoin the franchise. That's a bit silly and it lessens the impact of X3 but it beats the twin brother crap mentioned by the writers on the DVD commentary. Also, Jean can still be trapped under the Lake as it was just a corrupt doppelganger created by her fractured mind that arose and did damage in X3.

X4 should feature NO Storm, Rogue, Magneto, Mystique or Brotherhood. It should feature the rest of the X-Men seen to date and Gambit. Resurrect everyone and rescue Jean using Psylocke and Xavier within the first 20 minutes of the film. Keep Jean in a coma until the end of the film where she rises and saves the day with full Phoenix effects. Use Cyclops more and give us a full Registration Act storyline featuring plenty of real Sentinels.

See, easy plot with both fans and the general public happy as can be. Eliminating Halle & Ian's salary as well as their costly displays of power would give X4 budget flexability. This is how Fox should be thinking at this early date and X4 should be planned directly after the Wolverine spin off.

Um, those are the exact reasons why I am AGAINST an X-Men 4...

Sorry to just smash your ideas, but those are the things I want this franchise to avoid. Those are the things that will turn the franchise into a joke. Those are the things that will turn the X-Men into Batman & Robin...

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Okay, I'll bite...

If the film was as big of a conclusion as a lot of people say it is, then they wouldn't have ended it the way they did. It would've ended with Magneto staying cured, with Xavier staying dead, and with Cyclops fate not being established whatsoever.

I agree. If you conclude something, then conclude it. Don't try to end it, make a big deal about what a big ending it is, and then act like you don't have the guts to show it as an ending. They kill off Cyke but don't have the guts to show his death, they cure Magneto but suggest it's not permanent, they kill Xavier but show he comes back in 20 minutes, and Jean, the world's most powerful mutant is apparently killed by Wolverine's claws, ironic since in X1 he skewered Mystique good but it wasn't fatal. If you don't have the guts to treat it like an ending, then it's not an ending. Besides, none of the issues were really solved. Magneto never got his war (let's be honest here, Alcatraz was not a war. I've been to a rock concert that was more violent than this and the participants better armed). There was no fallout from the use of Evil Cerebro in X2. The human / mutant issue was not settled. There was a sentinel used in the danger room but its purpose or origin never explained. And what happened to NightCrawler? not even little things like that were ever settled.

Cyclops is dead. Did we see it? No. Can he be brought back? Yes.

But as the story stands now, he is dead. The reason why he wasn't shown, was because they didn't want to "blow their load", so to speak. Okay, Jean comes back after dying. First person she sees is the love of her life. They kiss, and something is happening. But what? The X-Men have to go check it out.

We weren't supposed to know what the script review told us. We weren't supposed to know that Cyclops died. We were supposed to be just as surprised as the X-Men. We were supposed to be in just as much shock as Logan was when it was revealed to him that Jean killed him. We were supposed to be in that same shock when we saw what she did to Xavier, and realize that's what she did to Scott.

Going in with the knowledge that Scott dies beforehand ruins that, because we see that scene and think it's not closure because we never saw it happen. But we weren't supposed to know beforehand. It's a simple storytelling technique. It's called "building the suspense." You don't show your hand right away. You keep it, until the time is right, when you make the audience say "Oh, THAT'S what happened!"

Magneto get his war. What more do you want? Just because it happened on Alcatraz doesn't mean it wasn't a war. In between X2 and X-Men: The Last Stand, Magneto was making terrorist threats all across the globe. He saw the cure as a "declaration of war" of sorts against mutantkind. He built his militia, he attacked cure clinics, he got the United States government and military involved, and he took his battle to Alcatraz, destroying a worldly known monument in the process. No, it wasn't Return of the King epic, but that final battle was no small scale ****. That was Magneto's war, and the stakes were pretty friggin' high if you ask me.

Evil Cerebro was what, 8 months ago? It would have been dealt with in between X2 and X-Men: The Last Stand. I don't think that explaining what happened was very neccesary. In X2, Xavier tells the President "The next move is up to you"... after showing the President that the global phenomenon was NOT instigated by mutants, but rather by humans. I'd say his move was made pretty clear. Obviously, he set it up for the next administration, for a mutant friendly administration, but one that was also cautious. One that knew about Magneto, and kept tracking him. One that caught Mystique, and kept her imprisoned.

The Sentinel in the Danger Room was never explained because it was just a simulation! If a real Sentinel ever makes an appearance in the films, it will be explained. But a simulation, that really adds nothing to the story, except to re-introduce us to these characters, and briefly set up a couple plot arcs, does not require much in depth explanation.

It's been 8 months since X2... well we don't know the exact number, but that's what Kinberg said. But we know it's been long enough for a new President to take office, and for an entirely new department focusing on the mutant population to be created, and for Magneto to execute terrorist attacks across the globe. Who knows what Nightcrawler could have done in that time. Who knows? Maybe he's a pacifist, and wanted to go back to his church in Boston and live a life following God? Maybe he didn't want to fight. Was excluding Nightcrawler the right decision? No. It wasn't. He should have been in. But it's not really some intricate plot point that needs focus dealt to it.

I'm not trying to rip on anyone or rip on anyone who supports the film. But how can you(the supporters of the film) as "true comic book fans" just accept X3? How can you just sit back and say "well, everything is concluded and X4 would just be overkill"?

X3 is not Titanic, or Highlander, or a Jesus Christ movie. Despite the flaws, there can be sequels to the X-men storyline, even without major changes to the previous material. It's supposed to be an ongoing, never-ending story. Not something that's completed in 3 movies.

LastSunrise, thank you for not trying to rip anyone who supports the film. This is the kind of discussion that I appreciate from you, the kind of discussion that makes me want to discuss my disagreements with you, and listen to what you have to say, even if I disagree. Let's keep it on this level.

How can I just accept X-Men: The Last Stand? Do you mean as a stand alone film? Or as the ending of a trilogy?

Let me explain both to you:

As a stand alone film: Yes, there are deviations from the source material (moreso than the other 2 X-Men films). But where there is deviation, there is also a lot of faithfulness. When Wolverine isn't giving inspirational speeches, and running around saying "Hold this line!", I think he's at his best here. Magneto was absolutley brilliant. I honestly think he's better in this than he was in X2, and it was X2 that really made me love Magneto as a character as much as I do now, and appreciate him as a character as much as I do. His numerous speeches, his casual realignment of the Golden Gate Bridge, his non-chalant attitude towards Wolverine in the woods, the depth he shows towards Pyro, scolding him "Charles Xavier did more for mutants than you'll ever know. My single greatest regret is that he had to die for our dream to live." shows his compassion, and shows that he is NOT evil. He's not some madman with a diabolical plan to take over the world. He really is a man fighting for the rights of his people, but his view has been so tainted by his experiences that he won't hold punches like Xavier will. His terrorist tape after Pyro attacks the cure clinic to show that there is no line he won't cross to achieve his goal. Everything Magneto in this film was totally spot on. Then there's Beast. Beast was amazing. The "fan nods", such as the Fastball Special, Iceman "icing up", "Oh my stars and garters!", all that stuff was just brilliant. That's just the tip of the iceberg as to what makes X-Men: The Last Stand acceptable as a stand alone film.

As the end to a trilogy: All of the ongoing story arcs throughout the first 2 movies were concluded. I acknowledge they may not have been concluded in the best possible fashion. I do have problems with some of them. But I'll go ahead and run them down;

-Magneto's War: This is obvious. In X2, he felt that William Stryker started the war. In X-Men: The Last Stand, and obviously the events that precede it, Magneto brought his war to the humans. His numerous, global, terrorist attacks got the government and military involved in the fight against Magneto. The cure was the straw that broke the camel's back in Magneto's mind, and he felt it neccesary to take the war to their doorstep, and quit with the piddly ass assaults. His actions provoked the government into action, beefing up military security at Worthington Labs, and any place remotely affiliated with the cure. And then Magneto launched his assault upon the humans, with the big exclamation point of destroying a global icon in the Golden Gate Bridge in his quest for mutant superiority. The battle was fought, and eventually Magneto and his army was defeated.

-Wolverine's Past: This was essentially wrapped up in X2. Sure, Wolverine didn't get all the answers. But Wolverine never does. That's part of the character. He doesn't know about himself before the X-Men. It's a total mystery. That was wrapped up in X2, and didn't really need any touching upon in X-Men: The Last Stand.

-Phoenix Saga: This is obvious, as next to Magneto's War, this was the backbone of X-Men: The Last Stand, and we all saw how it was concluded.

-Rogue & Iceman: Concluded wrong, but concluded none-the-less. Rogue should not have been cured, and the conclussion should have been their acceptance of her mutation, and coming to grips with it, and learning to cope with it. Unfortunatley, they cured her, and the conclussion was now that she wasn't a mutant anymore, they could be together with no worries.

-Cyclops / Jean Grey / Wolverine Love Triangle: With the Phoenix Saga coming in X-Men: The Last Stand, there was no way that Logan's "She did make a choice, it was you" line in X2 was closure to this arc. The arc was subtly established in X-Men, and strongly built upon in X2, and handled poorly in X-Men: The Last Stand. But I think the conclussion is that Jean did choose Cyclops. In the infirmary, it was Logan's mention of Scott that brought Jean back from the Phoenix, and not until his talk of "fixing" her that brought Phoenix back. When Xavier confronted Phoenix, it was Xavier's mention of her killing Scott that drove her emotions over the edge, forcing her to lose control, allowing the Phoenix to be free. Unfortunatley, it was Logan's love that allowed her to regain control long enough to allow herself to be destroyed. But I see that as more love PERIOD bringing her back, than Logan's love for her. The fact that someone was willing to die for her. It could have been Logan, Scott, Storm, hell, friggin' Jimmy, and she would have come back. The fact that someone loved Jean Grey enough to die for her is what brought Jean Grey back. That's how I see it. And that's how I see the conclussion. She chose Scott. Not Logan. It was Logan's love for her that brought her back, and it was her love for Scott and Xavier that allowed herself to be destroyed. She wanted to die because she killed Scott. I think that speaks volumes about who she loved more.

That's why I don't think it can be continued. What remaining story arcs are there from X-Men: The Last Stand? Xavier is alive? Okay, in a scene after the credits. I don't think that justifies a new movie. What are we gonna do? Phoenix Saga Pt. 2? The Dark Xavier Saga? Is Wolverine going to have to say he would die for Xavier so he can stab him too?

Magneto barely moved a chess piece? Okay, there is some explanation waiting there. But I don't think it justifies a new movie. I think it was for shock value more than planting seeds for story arcs.

I'm gonna reply to the rest in another post, because I think this is running too long, it might be too many characters for one post if I keep going...

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

If Batman fans or even James Bond fans had that kind of attitude then neither film would've gotten a restart.

I agree that the Batman movies needed a restart. I don't think they were done right from the beginning, and the last 2 just ruined it.

But I think the restart of James Bond is an absolutley horrendous idea. And this long time James Bond fan has lost much anticipation for this new movie because of the idea of the restart.

X4 NEEDS to be done. Plain and simple. I don't care how much money, hype, and care is given to the Wolverine or Magneto film they will not do that well for the studio or in the box office.

Wolverine, Magneto are 2 X-men chars, but they are NOT the X-Men. Spinoffs are fine as long as they co-exist alongside the main material. But they can never replace it.

I don't think an X-Men 4 NEEDS to be done at all.

Is there stuff left in the comics to explore? Absolutley. But you have to understand that the movies will never be able to touch upon everything. It has to eventually stop somewhere.

I saw what better time to stop, than when you've concluded the ongoing story arcs in the franchise, and haven't left anything open ended that's significant enough to warrant another film.

Look, there's tons of comic material to sample for the movies. I don't neccesarily believe that a trilogy was the best direction to take it. It could have easily gone 4, 5 movies. But they didn't take that route. They decided to tell their story, and wrap it up in three movies. Sure, it wasn't the plan from the get go. But what was the plan was to make each installment feel like a chapter of a larger whole. And that's what this trilogy is.

With no ongoing story arcs left, an X-Men 4 won't be a part of a larger whole, it will be something totally new. And I don't want that, just because there is still stuff from the comics that hasn't been touched upon, and some people were unhappy with X-Men: The Last Stand.

And the LAST thing I want is lame stuff like "Jean never killed anyone, she sent them to other dimensions", and "The cure wasn't really permanent, even though the last movie explicitly stated that it was, so here's Rogue and Mystique back", and "Oh, here's Jean Grey, back from the dead again, because her name is Phoenix, even though there is nothing about her that allows her to resurrect whenever she dies, and she only came back the first time because her powers protected her, but she's back anyways" and all that crap. Retcons suck ass in comics. They WON'T work in the movies. The movies will cease to be something to be taken seriously once a movie comes along to undo everything done in a previous movie, and instead turn into self parody, a full length Saturday Night Live skit fulfilling every god damned negative stereotype about comic book storytelling and comic book movies. These movies have integrity, and I want it to remain that way.

As far as the spinoffs are concerned, I agree with you. Wolverine and Magneto should not be done. I want X-Men. Not single characters. I don't want spinoffs. If you are going to make another movie, then make a 4th movie. Don't make these stupid spinoffs.

I think that's all that I need to respond to.

 

[Nibune]

Question how long is too long?

In regards to remaking the X-Men franchise down the line.
Took roughly 20 years to remake the original Batman series by Burton

In 20 years Marvel will be its own solid studio not having Fox interference.


So how long till we see the next X-Men: Origin Movie or Next X-Men Animated Trilogy. X-Men will and should outlive Stane Lee for a good while, so whens should we anticipate the next chapter in X-Men movies, another 20-25 years?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Question how long is too long?

In regards to remaking the X-Men franchise down the line.
Took roughly 20 years to remake the original Batman series by Burton

In 20 years Marvel will be its own solid studio not having Fox interference.


So how long till we see the next X-Men: Origin Movie or Next X-Men Animated Trilogy. X-Men will and should outlive Stane Lee for a good while, so whens should we anticipate the next chapter in X-Men movies, another 20-25 years?

I don't know that we ever will, really.

I mean, Batman and Superman are heroes that are on a totally different level than X-Men, Spiderman, Hulk, Daredevil, etc...

Batman and Superman are mythology of our culture. Batman and Superman are icons. They will live on forever. Movies, TV shows, etc... will ALWAYS be made about Batman and Superman.

I don't know that X-Men has that same appeal as Batman and Superman.

Of course they are big. They've been going now for 40 years strong.

But on the same level as Batman and Superman? I don't know.

I don't think it's a given that there will be restarts in the future.

 

[YJ1]

As a stand alone film: Yes, there are deviations from the source material (moreso than the other 2 X-Men films). But where there is deviation, there is also a lot of faithfulness. When Wolverine isn't giving inspirational speeches, and running around saying "Hold this line!", I think he's at his best here. Magneto was absolutley brilliant. I honestly think he's better in this than he was in X2, and it was X2 that really made me love Magneto as a character as much as I do now, and appreciate him as a character as much as I do. His numerous speeches, his casual realignment of the Golden Gate Bridge, his non-chalant attitude towards Wolverine in the woods, the depth he shows towards Pyro, scolding him "Charles Xavier did more for mutants than you'll ever know. My single greatest regret is that he had to die for our dream to live." shows his compassion, and shows that he is NOT evil. He's not some madman with a diabolical plan to take over the world. He really is a man fighting for the rights of his people, but his view has been so tainted by his experiences that he won't hold punches like Xavier will. His terrorist tape after Pyro attacks the cure clinic to show that there is no line he won't cross to achieve his goal. Everything Magneto in this film was totally spot on. Then there's Beast. Beast was amazing. The "fan nods", such as the Fastball Special, Iceman "icing up", "Oh my stars and garters!", all that stuff was just brilliant. That's just the tip of the iceberg as to what makes X-Men: The Last Stand acceptable as a stand alone film.

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I couldn't agree more. VERY well stated.

Retcons suck ass in comics. They WON'T work in the movies. The movies will cease to be something to be taken seriously once a movie comes along to undo everything done in a previous movie, and instead turn into self parody, a full length Saturday Night Live skit fulfilling every god damned negative stereotype about comic book storytelling and comic book movies. These movies have integrity, and I want it to remain that way.

I see your point but I don't necessarily agree. Regardless of the subject or subject matter, it all depends on the writing. Recently, Joss Whedon masterfully brought back Colossus in a fashion that didn't "suck ass". Given the proper treatment, all the characters from the movie universe are still in play. Personally, I'd prefer only Cyclops to return for an X4 but who knows.

In 20 years Marvel will be its own solid studio not having Fox interference.

So how long till we see the next X-Men: Origin Movie or Next X-Men Animated Trilogy. X-Men will and should outlive Stane Lee for a good while, so whens should we anticipate the next chapter in X-Men movies, another 20-25 years?

Marvel getting the rights back to the X-Men is a pipe dream at best. Fox cut a sweetheart deal with a reconstructing Marvel back in the 90s and they're not about to let their mega cashcow die. Fox will keep the rights at all cost and continue to make HUGE money. Spin off movies fulfill the criteria and their obligation to their contract. After they milk a spin off or two, the need for a mega hit will lead them back to an X4. Marvel will never see the rights to Spider-Man or X-Men ever return to them in our lifetime.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Marvel's not getting those rights back however Marvel will be bought out at some point unless they become so huge that they buy Fox out. I doubt that they'd want to thought. Viacom is the most likely canidate to buyout Marvel which would package all the distribution rights and the character rights together...and merge Deathlok. Fox isn't letting go..I can assure you.

 

[Neptune]

I think they blew it with X-3. They promoted this as the last X-movie but it has an open ending with so much possibilities. They killed off characters who could play big parts in future films. Fox is being very arrogant by acting like they covered the X-universe in these 3 movies. Even they know that there is more to X-men than Wolverine. I say bring on an X-4 as soon as possible. 'They didn't end the series on high note. X-3 was mediocre.

 

[WorthyStevens]

Storm is kind of the headmistress of the school. She's in charge of the school and the X-Men. She's kinda vital...

IF an X-Men 4 happens (and it is something I'm very weary about, because I believe too much has been concluded to justify another movie), Storm and Wolverine DEFINATLEY need to come back. The movie can survive without Beast and Angel, because they were both shown to not stay at the school in the end.

Xavier and Magneto have to be touched upon. Even if just briefly.

Storm will lead a team consisting of Wolverine, Iceman, Kitty Pryde, and Colossus. Perfect time to add Gambit into the mix. And probably twink around with some other new characters as well to throw into the mix.

Angel's still at the school, he was just flying around. Albeit he was in San Francisco, but apparently the writers/Ratner think it's a short distance from NY to SF (as noted from Angel's trip to the battle at the end).

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Angel's still at the school, he was just flying around. Albeit he was in, but apparently the writers/Ratner think it's a short distance from NY to SF (as noted from Angel's trip to the battle at the end).

He's seen flying around in San Francisco after he saved his dad... a good time later after the final battle (as we've seen a lot of progress made towards rebuilding the Golden Gate Bridge)

It seems pretty evident that Angel stuck in San Francisco, and not with the X-Men.

 

[ntcrawler]

Angel's still at the school, he was just flying around. Albeit he was in, but apparently the writers/Ratner think it's a short distance from NY to SF (as noted from Angel's trip to the battle at the end).

Angel did say "I heard this was a safe place for mutants". I doubt his intention was to only drop over for a cup of tea.

And yes, these chars are pretty tough, able to cover great distances like it's no big deal. Logan and Scott both rode 2300 miles from Westchester to the Canadian Rockies on a motorcycle, and the X-men are perfectly willing to make that flight in the X-Jet on a whim as well. But that pales in comparison to Angel, who not only made the trip from NY to San Francisco with his wings, but he was only a little slower than the supersonic X-Jet

 

[WorthyStevens]

He's seen flying around in San Francisco after he saved his dad... a good time later after the final battle (as we've seen a lot of progress made towards rebuilding the Golden Gate Bridge)

It seems pretty evident that Angel stuck in San Francisco, and not with the X-Men.

I made an edit to my original post.

It's really not evident. It's more ambiguous than anything. Just because he's flying in San Francisco doesn't mean he's not with the X-Men. He could just be visiting his dad.

 

[OliPhoenixFire]

Well anyway i just hope that there will be more X-movies. I'm confident about it... A Wolverine spinoff is ok for me (even though i dislike the idea), but i'm against a Magneto spinoff not only because it just doesn't fit in for me but this will push far back the date of another X-Movie... If it would happen, i'd be married and have children or Armaguedon would be on its way...

 

[Visionary]

There must be an X-Men 4, the majority seems to want it, unless they (FOX/MARVEL) no longer like making big money.

 

[X-Maniac]

Angel did say "I heard this was a safe place for mutants". I doubt his intention was to only drop over for a cup of tea.

And yes, these chars are pretty tough, able to cover great distances like it's no big deal. Logan and Scott both rode 2300 miles from Westchester to the Canadian Rockies on a motorcycle, and the X-men are perfectly willing to make that flight in the X-Jet on a whim as well. But that pales in comparison to Angel, who not only made the trip from NY to San Francisco with his wings, but he was only a little slower than the supersonic X-Jet

Indeed. Fair points.

Transportation and travel were 'issues' in this movie for sure.

I feel sure Angel had to have been on that X-jet, stowed away (assuming it has cargo space like a regular jet). All they need have done is cut to a white feather on the floor of the jet.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Indeed. Fair points.

Transportation and travel were 'issues' in this movie for sure.

I feel sure Angel had to have been on that X-jet, stowed away (assuming it has cargo space like a regular jet). All they need have done is cut to a white feather on the floor of the jet.

They NEEDED to have Angel in that interaction with Wolverine and Iceman, show him getting a uniform, and have him go into the final battle with the team, so he can be part of the X-Men, just like he really is.

 

[ntcrawler]

They NEEDED to have Angel in that interaction with Wolverine and Iceman, show him getting a uniform, and have him go into the final battle with the team, so he can be part of the X-Men, just like he really is.

Angel should have been brought in the same way that Hank was. As a veteran, original member of the X-Men who wasn't active right now because he had other things in life that needed his attention. I'm wary about bringing him in as a fresh recruit like that. Not only because it takes away what could be a valuable, supporting member of the team (as well as a pal to Scott and Jean), but also because I'd be hesitant to take another runt off the street and put him in uniform and make him a member of the team after only knowing him for a few hours simply because he has strong feelings for daddy. Granted his heart may be in the right place and they took that risk with Wolverine, but somehow I'd be a bit more confident in Wolverine's combat abilities than this guy's.

 

[X-Maniac]

They NEEDED to have Angel in that interaction with Wolverine and Iceman, show him getting a uniform, and have him go into the final battle with the team, so he can be part of the X-Men, just like he really is.

Ideally, yes.

But I meant digitally adding in a feather in post-production, as soon as the complaints were made about Angel's sudden appearance in SF. Some simple CGI - add in a feather in the X-jet (and remove the bee on Hugh's jacket, which Ratner says he wishes he had done).

 

[The Batman]

They shouldnt make an X4, IMO.

X3's success probably has fox thinking that half assed movies do more than decent ones like X1 and X2....

 

[PeRfEcT_StOrM]

U think we should pm SHH! and tell him to make a huge petition and tell all the people from all over the major forums like SHH! and XMFF and the xverse and dangerroom.net for an X4 or at least an extended cut.

 

[gambitfire]

Marvel's not getting those rights back however Marvel will be bought out at some point unless they become so huge that they buy Fox out. I doubt that they'd want to thought. Viacom is the most likely canidate to buyout Marvel which would package all the distribution rights and the character rights together...and merge Deathlok. Fox isn't letting go..I can assure you.

THOSE HACKS HAVE WANTED CONTROL OF THE X-MEN SINCE IT TAS DAYS.

I don't think they will let go either, but i hope it blows in there faces. Marvel is still the onwer too the comic books i just hope they do something with that, that will give FOX no choice but to release those rights.

TOM ROTHMAN's holding those rights Hostage and we as fans need to save them!!