Star Trek Sequel

[Doctor Jones]

****, you just reminded me that MOS has alot of work to get people turned onto Superman again. By not just moving him forward, but getting people to forget SR.

 

[Sawyer]

I dont know. I think SR did one helluva job of getting people to forget SR all on its own...

 

[Dark Knight]

I won't argue about Khan's merit's as a character, because he's a great baddie, but the fact is that he's no where NEAR the Joker in terms of general audience awareness. The general public knows the Joker. Heck, the Joker is one of the most recognizable fictional villains period. Khan is pretty much out of the public consciousness. Even if you made him the villian, it wouldn't do much for the box office draw, because the general audience doesn't remeber who he is. Not the target audience for this movie anyways.

So, do you think the general public will know Trelane, Mudd or Horta far better than Khan? I think not.

To Trekkies, Trekkers, Sci Fi fans and audience, Khan ranks right up there in popularity with the Joker. It's just different genres. The filmmakers should NOT forget who their fanbase is. This would be a great time to reintroduce Khan to the masses, but it doesn't seem they will go that route. Plus if they wanted a chance for this Trek sequel to be a TRUE Box Office juggernaut, then they should have went with a compelling villain like Khan. Their mistake, not mine.

Seeing a younger version of Khan going up against this younger version of Kirk and the Enterprise in this new alternate Trek reality would be GREAT cinema IMO, potentially of course.

 

[Dark Knight]

I dont know. I think SR did one helluva job of getting people to forget SR all on its own...

Yep and SR still made about the same amount of money as the Trek reboot. Take a look per Box Office Mojo below:

Superman Returns:
Domestic: $200,081,192 51.2%
+ Foreign: $191,000,000 48.8%
= Worldwide: $391,081,192

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman06.htm

Star Trek:
Domestic: $257,730,019 66.8%
+ Foreign: $127,950,427 33.2%
= Worldwide: $385,680,446

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek11.htm

 

[Sawyer]

The key difference being that people actually liked Trek.

 

[FreeRadical]

Bringing Khan back would be a good idea, since Man of Steel is using Zod. I wonder what's up with the Star Trek sequel script, it was supposed to be finished back in March. If Paramount thinks that it's possible to get a film out next June, without pre-production, casting (I bet the main Enterprise crew cast have other commitments as well) and a completed script at this stage, they're crazy.
Dark Knight Rises has been filming for a few weeks, Spider-man is possibly at the post-production stage now, even Men in Black 3 is in production, and those films are out after the Star Trek sequel 29th June 2012 release date.

 

[Dark Knight]

The key difference being that people actually liked Trek.

Ahh, I hate to say it, but a good percentage of people actually liked SR overall and it was well reviewed by critics as well. It was just a very underwhelming Superman film due to a many different things.

The problems were a lack of a big time villain for Supes to battle against physically, an overall dull look to the film, too much romanticisms and Donnerisms, a bad looking Superman suit, and a terrible release date. Oh and Superman having a kid was a controversy as well.

Go figure.

 

[Dark Knight]

Bringing Khan back would be a good idea, since Man of Steel is using Zod. I wonder what's up with the Star Trek sequel script, it was supposed to be finished back in March. If Paramount thinks that it's possible to get a film out next June, without pre-production, casting (I bet the main Enterprise crew cast have other commitments as well) and a completed script at this stage, they're crazy.
Dark Knight Rises has been filming for a few weeks, Spider-man is possibly at the post-production stage now, even Men in Black 3 is in production, and those films are out after the Star Trek sequel 29th June 2012 release date.

Yep. It seems Orci and Kurtzman are having problems with writing a good script. MOS seems like it is way ahead of the game here as far as pre-production goes obviously, since Trek was pushed back. Not a good sign if they don't start filming at least by October?

The Trek film is a heavy effect laden film and who knows what ILM's schedule is like also, along with all the other actors involved.

 

[Doc Ock]

Superman vs. Star Trek?! Uh-oh.....Superman may be in trouble.

 

[Dark Knight]

Superman vs. Star Trek?! Uh-oh.....Superman may be in trouble.

Nah. They will probably be released a good two weekends apart at the very least if anything. Heck, Trek might not even make that new date by the way things are going so far.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm going to be seeing both of them so there is no vs to me. I'm not a huge fan of movie battle just for the sake of them.

I'm just simply stating that despite SR's boxoffice it was not as well liked as Trek. And no, I'm not saying that Trek was the best movie ever nor am I saying that it had the best word of mouth of all time. I'm simply saying that the vast majority people actually liked it and SR at best had a 50/50 split of people who liked it and the other half were either underwhelmed or disliked it.

See there was no hyperbole one way or the other in that statement, I didn't even compare SR to Hulk because the audience just outright hated that film. Nor did I compare Trek to Pirates because it's legs weren't that amazing.

I personally don't see The Man of Steel or Spider-Man reboot doing gangbusters. They could do enough to start franchises though.

 

[Doc Ock]

Nah. They will probably be released a good two weekends apart at the very least if anything. Heck, Trek might not even make that new date by the way things are going so far.

Two weekends would be good. I want to see both movies and I want to see both of them do well enough to warrant sequels. If they were released at the same time it would IMO possibly spell doom for Man of Steel.

 

[Dark Knight]

I'm going to be seeing both of them so there is no vs to me. I'm not a huge fan of movie battle just for the sake of them.

I'm just simply stating that despite SR's boxoffice it was not as well liked as Trek. And no, I'm not saying that Trek was the best movie ever nor am I saying that it had the best word of mouth of all time. I'm simply saying that the vast majority people actually liked it and SR at best had a 50/50 split of people who liked it and the other half were either underwhelmed or disliked it.

See there was no hyperbole one way or the other in that statement, I didn't even compare SR to Hulk because the audience just outright hated that film. Nor did I compare Trek to Pirates because it's legs weren't that amazing.

I personally don't see The Man of Steel or Spider-Man reboot doing gangbusters. They could do enough to start franchises though.

When it comes to Box Office. The only way to go is up (no pun intended) for The Man Of Steel film compared to what SR did at the box office.

 

[Dark Knight]

Two weekends would be good. I want to see both movies and I want to see both of them do well enough to warrant sequels.

Yeah I would also. That's why I think Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman are taking a calculated risk by not adding a compelling and popular character like Khan as the main baddie for their sequel. I personally think it's a mistake. Then again, Orci and Kurtzman are not great screenwriters anyway IMO.

 

[Doc Ock]

Yeah I would also. That's why I think Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman are taking a calculated risk by not adding a compelling and popular character like Khan as the main baddie for their sequel. I personally think it's a mistake. Then again, Orci and Kurtzman are not great screenwriters anyway IMO.

I definitely agree Orci and Kurtzman are great screenwriters(although didn't they write the second Transformers? I loved the first one). I would love to see the Abramsverse version of Kahn, but I also think there should be a Trek film about exploration. Which may be difficult to make interesting.

 

[Dark Knight]

I definitely agree Orci and Kurtzman are great screenwriters(although didn't they write the second Transformers? I loved the first one). I would love to see the Abramsverse version of Kahn, but I also think there should be a Trek film about exploration. Which may be difficult to make interesting.

I said Orci and Kurtzman are NOT great screenwriters, at least to me. A Trek film about exploration would be nice but the ones in the past that kind of went that route were bad weren't they?

 

[Doc Ock]

I said Orci and Kurtzman are NOT great screenwriters, at least to me. A Trek film about exploration would be nice but the ones in the past that kind of went that route were bad weren't they?

Whoops totally missed that and embarrassed myself. I guess they weren't as good as they could of been, I don't mind having a big bad for every Trek. I just know so fanboys complain on how Trek 2009 was all about fighting Nero and not exploring space.

 

[flickchick85]

I don't see why they couldn't have the best of both worlds and encounter a big bad while exploring.

 

[FreeRadical]

I loved Star Trek, but seriously, how can Vulcan and Earth not be able to destroy a giant mining drill from the ground? There must be some technology like air defence missiles in future, since we even have it in reality. There was no force field around that thing since Kirk and Sulu can land on it, and Spock was able to destroy it with a few phaser shots from the Jellyfish ship. Another thing that bugged me was Kirk going from cadet to captain in a day?
Did anyone question Orci and Kurtzman about this stuff before filming? But since the film was made during the writer's strike, it wouldn't have been possible to change stuff. Could be possible the reason why the script for the sequel is not finished yet is that JJ is not happy with what Orci and Kurtzman have written (isn't Damon Lindelof writing the script as well?)

 

[TruerToTheCore]

I loved Star Trek, but seriously, how can Vulcan and Earth not be able to destroy a giant mining drill from the ground? There must be some technology like air defence missiles in future, since we even have it in reality. There was no force field around that thing since Kirk and Sulu can land on it, and Spock was able to destroy it with a few phaser shots from the Jellyfish ship. Another thing that bugged me was Kirk going from cadet to captain in a day?
Did anyone question Orci and Kurtzman about this stuff before filming? But since the film was made during the writer's strike, it wouldn't have been possible to change stuff. Could be possible the reason why the script for the sequel is not finished yet is that JJ is not happy with what Orci and Kurtzman have written (isn't Damon Lindelof writing the script as well?)

The last Star Trek movie has a really bad screenplay which defies any logic, but some morons will still defend it by saying "It's sci-fi", as if a sci-fi means you can do what you want and not have to have some sort of internal logic

 

[kedrell]

Yeah, apparently in the future star ships are our only defense and they put nothing on the planet like torpedos and such. So without any starships in the vacinity the planet's screwed in the event of an attack.

 

[The_Lost]

Bringing Khan back would be a good idea, since Man of Steel is using Zod. I wonder what's up with the Star Trek sequel script, it was supposed to be finished back in March. If Paramount thinks that it's possible to get a film out next June, without pre-production, casting (I bet the main Enterprise crew cast have other commitments as well) and a completed script at this stage, they're crazy.
Dark Knight Rises has been filming for a few weeks, Spider-man is possibly at the post-production stage now, even Men in Black 3 is in production, and those films are out after the Star Trek sequel 29th June 2012 release date.

My great fear in this is the comparison game. People compared Lex Luthor in Superman returns with Lex Luthor in Superman II. People compared Superman from Superman Returns to Superman From Superman II. You get people seeing Khan in a Star Trek sequel and it brings into there minds images of Ricardo Montalban and the comparison game starts all over again. Khan is one of the greatest of all star trek villians but ; and I'm saying this directly to Kirk: "you do not need to defeat him again." The wealth of adventure from the paperbacks titled star trek is almost as limitless as the old episodes. I would love to see one of them put to the big screen. "enemy mine" , 3 minute universe" , "rings of tautee" the list goes on and on.

 

[The_Lost]

I loved Star Trek, but seriously, how can Vulcan and Earth not be able to destroy a giant mining drill from the ground? There must be some technology like air defence missiles in future, since we even have it in reality. There was no force field around that thing since Kirk and Sulu can land on it, and Spock was able to destroy it with a few phaser shots from the Jellyfish ship. Another thing that bugged me was Kirk going from cadet to captain in a day?
Did anyone question Orci and Kurtzman about this stuff before filming? But since the film was made during the writer's strike, it wouldn't have been possible to change stuff. Could be possible the reason why the script for the sequel is not finished yet is that JJ is not happy with what Orci and Kurtzman have written (isn't Damon Lindelof writing the script as well?)

I think having gotten the earth defense codes from captain pike; Nero was able to override earths ability to defend itself in that manner. Wasn't exactly conveyed very well the movie. I kept waiting to see a quick battle between nero and earth's inner defense mechanisms. Luckily for me the movie was enjoyable enough to suspend that little bit of suspension of belief.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Yep. It seems Orci and Kurtzman are having problems with writing a good script.

It's not the script. It's Abrams. He's still in post-production for Super 8, but the 70 pages outline for the next movie is enough to start pre-production, if they want to. They just have to wait for the director.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Super 8 is done. They've been screening the last week or so. Apparently, they're waiting for Paramount to officially announce what's going down before they say anything.

Wouldn't be surprised if we received word by this weekend.