Star Trek Sequel

[8wid]

Does anyone else hate the look of the Klingon war birds? I could see improving this by having ships with much greater fire power and speed fighting the Enterprise.

 

[jonathancrane]

I have mixed feelings on Khan. He worked well in the second film because he had already been introduced and his motivations were clear. But, introducing him sans the problems on Ceti Alpha IV would be really awkward. I have no doubt that it could accomplished, but it would have to orchestrated by a skilled writer, as there is a balance to be maintained.

As for the Borg,I feel that as a plot device, they have run out of gas. If they are to be used, the creative team should import the planned script for Enterprise involving the assimilation of a Star Fleet officer into the role of a Queen. But, otherwise, it would far too easy for the film to fall into the territory of "First Contact" which I love, but would prefer not to have retold.

Maybe they could work out a scenario with Armus....

kidding.

There are plenty of species and villains to be mined - in addition to the ones that can be created - so, there is not a shortage in the catalogue to mine from.

My suggestion: the Gorn.

Or, for a device: the Guardian of Forever.

I would not mind seeing the Klingons, as I liked their treatment in the deleted scene. I really like the helmets.

Regardless of what they end up pursuing, I will still see the film opening night, as I am a Trekkie.

 

[Lord]

Why not go for the original episodes of the tv show?
Villain: Gary Mitchell
Plot Device: Gary Mitchell becoming a god
I think that this character from the 1st episode of the original tv show called "Where no man has gone before" could form a good basis for the movie

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Why not go for the original episodes of the tv show?
Villain: Gary Mitchell
Plot Device: Gary Mitchell becoming a god
I think that this character from the 1st episode of the original tv show called "Where no man has gone before" could form a good basis for the movie

The remake of Where No Man Has Gone Before in the NuTreverse has already be done! In comic form. The first issue arrives this month.
So, I guess, no Gary Mitchell

 

[Lord]

You can do more than just remake it, ign pointed some interesting plot points to use him

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

You can do more than just remake it, ign pointed some interesting plot points to use him

yeah, I agree. Nevertheless, they won't use him in the movie, if he was already used in the comic. Orci, Kurtzman and Denisof have a problem with that, that is why 6 NuTrek novels were written, but none of them were published. O,K&D decided they don't want those novels to interfere with their ideas of the sequel.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well if no Gary Mitchell, there's always Captain Ron Tracey from The Omega Glory.

Or how about Captain Garth from Whom Gods Destroy? However, I'm not too keen on having a shapeshifter.

There's always the Tholians, or Balok from The Corbomite Maneuver (who can be an actual villain this time instead of a puppet).

Balok was always a ghastly image, and if he was a proper villain now (because the timeline is altered) he could be extremely formidable, especially with his invincible ship which was almost Borg like in power and indestructability. It would be more interesting than a retread of the Borg.

Or what about a remake of What Are Little Girls Made Of? We could have Ruk, the 7 ft tall android and creation of Dr Roger Corby (a former flame of Nurse Chapel):

 

[Lord]

What comic?
Was there any version of Where no Man has gone before in the new movies canon?

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

What comic?
Was there any version of Where no Man has gone before in the new movies canon?

yes, coming out this month:
http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment/56708-new-star-trek-comic-book-will-be-based-on-the-abrams-canon

 

[Dark Knight]

Well if no Gary Mitchell, there's always Captain Ron Tracey from The Omega Glory.

Or how about Captain Garth from Whom Gods Destroy? However, I'm not too keen on having a shapeshifter.

There's always the Tholians, or Balok from The Corbomite Maneuver (who can be an actual villain this time instead of a puppet).

Balok was always a ghastly image, and if he was a proper villain now (because the timeline is altered) he could be extremely formidable, especially with his invincible ship which was almost Borg like in power and indestructability. It would be more interesting than a retread of the Borg.

Or what about a remake of What Are Little Girls Made Of? We could have Ruk, the 7 ft tall android and creation of Dr Roger Corby (a former flame of Nurse Chapel):

Yawn. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Give me Javier Bardem playing a younger version of Khan and make a kick ass Trek sequel!

 

[Lord]

If by Movie 2 they have already started the 5 year mission then they should use the plot of Errand of Mercy when nobody had yet seen the Klingons or use Khan from space seed in either film 2 or 3.
I remember that they planed once to make i an original adventure discovering new worlds without a definite enemy, i would actually like to see something like that

 

[JAK®]

Yawn. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Give me Javier Bardem playing a younger version of Khan and make a kick ass Trek sequel!

Yes, no Trek villains that have untapped potential and interesting concepts. That would be boring. I would rather see a villain that has already been done twice and done well, and would make very little sense to introduce at this time. Sounds logical.

 

[Dark Knight]

Yes, no Trek villains that have untapped potential and interesting concepts. That would be boring. I would rather see a villain that has already been done twice and done well, and would make very little sense to introduce at this time. Sounds logical.

An interesting complex and in depth villian like Khan has not been seen onscreen for 30 years!

Time to reintroduce how bad ass he is to a different demographic of the general movie going public and show a younger version to the folks who saw Montalban back in the early 80's.

 

[JAK®]

But everything that was good about Khan was due to his history with Kirk. At the point in time this film will take place, none of that history has occurred.

 

[Jackasscoley15]

I agree with JAK, we've already seen Khan done well. I'd prefer to see something new.

 

[Dark Knight]

I agree with JAK, we've already seen Khan done well. I'd prefer to see something new.

"We" have seen plenty of different Trek villians onscreen since Wrath of Khan waaaaay back in 1982 with the other Trek films. None were as compelling as Khan....period!

"We" have already seen Khan? "We" is alot of people. Fanboys and Trek fans who are still alive saw an older version of Khan waaaaaaaay back in 1982.

If Khan were reintroduced in this sequel, it would assume it would be a slightly different version due to the alternate reality of this Abrams Trek continuity.

I will argue this forever. If Ledgers Oscar winning depiction of the Joker in TDK was shown so "soon" after being seen back in Batman '89 with Nicholson respectfully, than why can't a great and complex character like Khan be reintroduced 30 years later?

Some of you act like 30 years ago is more like 3 years ago or something.

 

[Dark Knight]

But everything that was good about Khan was due to his history with Kirk. At the point in time this film will take place, none of that history has occurred.

I though Abrams Trek film is set in a slightly new alternate Trek reality isn't it? Mainly due to Nero and Spocks time traveling yes?

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

I remember being one of the folk who said they wanted to see Khan re-done in the sequel(on another message board) and a trekkie pointed out to me that Nero was in fact very Khan Like, and he was right, it could end up feeling like a retread of the last movie, nevermind a re-tread of the old series..

edit: either a fresh re-do of another villan or character from the tv show, or a new villan created for the movie.
I always liked 'The Corbomite Manuever', one of my fav eps along with 'this side of Paradise'(which happened to be written by the same sci-fi writer), but I am not sure how you would get a movie out of Balok, and I'd like to see a couple of new planets, ie interesting environments in the movie as well.
they need to find that balance between exploring space and planets, cause in one movie, that can be hard to do with ST, given that they usually explore, and then only arrive at one destination for the duration of the story, unlike in SW.

 

[Dark Raven]

"We" have seen plenty of different Trek villians onscreen since Wrath of Khan waaaaay back in 1982 with the other Trek films. None were as compelling as Khan....period!

"We" have already seen Khan? "We" is alot of people. Fanboys and Trek fans who are still alive saw an older version of Khan waaaaaaaay back in 1982.

If Khan were reintroduced in this sequel, it would assume it would be a slightly different version due to the alternate reality of this Abrams Trek continuity.

I will argue this forever. If Ledgers Oscar winning depiction of the Joker in TDK was shown so "soon" after being seen back in Batman '89 with Nicholson respectfully, than why can't a great and complex character like Khan be reintroduced 30 years later?

Some of you act like 30 years ago is more like 3 years ago or something.

Your argument is flawed and contradictory, because on the one hand you say that no other villain is as compelling as Khan, and then you say that Khan would be slightly different because of the alternate reality. But the same would be true of any of the other villains, whether it's Harry Mudd, Balok, the Klingons etc. That means that any of these villains could easily be as compelling, because they won't be the same as in the original series. Khan, on the other hand, could be a completely boring and ineffective villain because of the altered reality.

At least own up to the fact that it's just because YOU want to see Khan again, and don't make these contradictory arguments that hold no weight as the supposed reason for why we should revisit Khan.

 

[Teelie]

I though Abrams Trek film is set in a slightly new alternate Trek reality isn't it? Mainly due to Nero and Spocks time traveling yes?

Yes, this is an alternative universe. Not the Mirror Universe or whatever place Sisko went to but an entirely new one (which IIRC was not the Mirrior either). Therefore Kahn showing up may or may not happen. Due to the massive shift in this universe and the Vulcans need to not only repopulate but find a new home, we may not see the Enterprise go anywhere near where Kahn and company's ship is.

Doing Kahn IMO would be a mistake though. We don't need to retread on the same characters we saw before or see them all reimagined. Making Kahn show up in the second movie additionally leads to an expectation we'll see more of that in the third movie. Will we repeat it with a different interpetation? Then the fourth, fifth, and the sixth? Why not just go somewhere new with it while respecting the original?

 

[THANOSRULES]

We rewatched 3 seasons worth of star trek episodes over 25 years so I'm not sure I buy the "rehash" argument from a potential Khan appearance.

I loved Wrath of Khan, but it was the best trek movie for a lot of reasons, not just the quality of Khan's portrayal.

I'm fine with creating a new villian, it's too soon for a big Khan showdown in this timeline anyway, I'd at least introduce khan though.

 

[bunk]

If they used Khan, it would be a reimagination of "Space Seed" anyway, not Wrath. Not to mention, the revenge plot was just used in the last flick.

 

[jonathancrane]

If they used Khan, it would be a reimagination of "Space Seed" anyway, not Wrath. Not to mention, the revenge plot was just used in the last flick.

Good point, but sadly revenge is the one element that helps sell a Trek film...most of the films are retellings of Moby Dick...

 

[TheVileOne]

All that is in the pipe is a new videogame that chances are it will now coincide with the new movie by the time it is ready.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Good point, but sadly revenge is the one element that helps sell a Trek film...most of the films are retellings of Moby Dick...

Because Wrath was a retelling of Moby Dick and most of the Trek films were retellings of Wrath