Star Trek Sequel

[raybia]

^From an old Screenrant article.

Doesn't say anything at all about JJ being given "carte blanche" to rewrite Trek history. The *only* things that have changed, other than subtle visual designs to make the costumes and sets look less like cheap 1960s television, are changes to pre-TOS "canon" which were never properly mapped out in the first place. (e.g., Kirk's parentage, the ship being built in Iowa instead of SF, etc.)
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You are missing the point and the significance of Nero's arrival and actions: The creation of a separate alternative universe. This is not your grandfather's Star Trek. Everything that Abrams do will be a new and separate canon.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Obviously they gave him some restrictions, but a lot of liberty too. And in the end butterfly effect gives him "carte blanche".

And it's not just little changes either. They ****ing blew Vulcan up. That's not going to effect history?

Though the Enterprise being built in Iowa did bother me. And it raises a few questions. The biggest one being... why? Just seemed like lazy writing.

 

[cherokeesam]

You are missing the point and the significance of Nero's arrival and actions: The creation of a separate alternative universe. This is not your grandfather's Star Trek. Everything that Abrams do will be a new and separate canon.

Forget "my grandfather;" *I* grew up with TOS.
Until I see written proof otherwise, I still won't believe that Abrams' Trek is supposed to be removed from canonical TOS. I believe he's been allowed to make *subtle* differences, but I'm positive that the developers won't let JJ (or anybody else) abuse/misuse their valuable property and assets.

Making an "Ultimates" alt version of TOS makes no sense, anyway. The whole purpose of the new movie that Berman came to Abrams with was to make a *prequel,* plain and simple. Not a reboot, not an Earth-2/ Ultimates version. 2009 Trek fits that bill; but if Khan really *is* involved in Trek 2, then you're talking about something that *isn't* a prequel, but *is* a reboot. And that's a whole nuther ball of wax.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I wish I had a GIF of Vulcan imploding...

 

[raybia]

Forget "my grandfather;" *I* grew up with TOS.
Until I see written proof otherwise, I still won't believe that Abrams' Trek is supposed to be removed from canonical TOS. I believe he's been allowed to make *subtle* differences, but I'm positive that the developers won't let JJ (or anybody else) abuse/misuse their valuable property and assets.

Making an "Ultimates" alt version of TOS makes no sense, anyway. The whole purpose of the new movie that Berman came to Abrams with was to make a *prequel,* plain and simple. Not a reboot, not an Earth-2/ Ultimates version. 2009 Trek fits that bill; but if Khan really *is* involved in Trek 2, then you're talking about something that *isn't* a prequel, but *is* a reboot. And that's a whole nuther ball of wax.

Here is your proof. I can't believe anyone who is a fan didn't know this already.


http://screenrant.com/star-trek-movie-takes-place-alternate-timeline-vic-4546/


http://www.themarysue.com/j-j-abrams-star-trek-sequel/

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1611063/star-trek-screenwriters-talk-sequel-plans.jhtml

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1611523/star-trek-director-open-sequel-with-shatner.jhtml

 

[Hypestyle]

... what can they do now that they've blown up a planet and created a black hole from scratch? Hmm...

hopefully a return to social allegory and moral dilemmas..

..if they include some of the old monsters, they need to update them visually.. the gorn, the mugato, the salt-vampire, the giant-steaming-rock-thing..

 

[marvelrobbins]

The new films are different than most so called reboots.Unlike the Daniel Craig Bond films these can still be seen as part of same series.Nero,his crew,and 24th century Spock came from post last 24th century set Star Trek production(Star Trek:Nemesis) thus 2009 film can be seen as next chapter of the franchise.As well as being both prequel and alternate reality created reboot.

The creative team has said the characters are the same.Their history has had changes made.Kirk never know his father,Spock spent years at the academy Instead of serviiving under Pike on Enterprise,Scotty came to be on Enterprise much different.Enterprise was launched much letter.Pike Is crippled Instead of suffering radiation exposure.

In DVD Commantary they mention the convent things coming together Is universe trying to repair damage.Some things are relvent to longtime Star Trek fans.Seeing Kirk's arents.Seeing SPock's childhood.Seeing when he choose to go and join Starfleet Instead of Vulcan Sciene academy.Kirk and Mccoy meeting.Explaning why Mccoy joined Starfleet.Why Kirk calls Mccoy Bones.Kirk taking the KM test.

J.J. Abrams clearly has started he doesn't really like prequels since you know characters survive.The point of doing alternate reality was to be part of exsisting franchise and to allow for jeapody.Which IS reason they blew up Vulcan.Saying characters can be killed.

Khan will be same character as before.But,anything he does after being revived can be different.Most of the creative team has called Khan favorate villain In Trek history.

 

[redhawk23]

I am very, very disappointed that the villain is Kahn. It's bad enough that the trek films have featured several Kahn knock offs or repatedly referenced and returned to the well of all the Moby Dick allusions. Now they finally just bring Kahn back. Again. They can do things differently but will they? Really? If they wanted something different they would have done something different. This is a waste.

 

[Dark Knight]

You are missing the point and the significance of Nero's arrival and actions: The creation of a separate alternative universe. This is not your grandfather's Star Trek. Everything that Abrams do will be a new and separate canon.

I can't believe some people actually didn't know this. Or they must have not been paying attention to the events of the first film in which Spock and Nero had a hand in.

 

[Dark Knight]

You're also a lazy reader since I didn't say that and instead pointed to how after all that work of rebooting and being able to do whatever they wanted next to just have them encounter Khan instead of a new villain, aliens or planet was lazy.

I hate reading comprehension too.

Oh oh...here we go with your attacks. Please, don't take it too personally since it seems I was on the mark again with Khan being the villain of choice in this next Trek film.

 

[Octoberist]

You are missing the point and the significance of Nero's arrival and actions: The creation of a separate alternative universe. This is not your grandfather's Star Trek. Everything that Abrams do will be a new and separate canon.

Yeah , im with you. I thought it was pretty damn obvious.

 

[Dark Knight]

What the movie "needs" is an effective and entertaining story and a strong antagonist. If JJ and Co. believes that Khan and his crew and fit the bill, and there is a good story to tell, and it can be done with imagination rather than just a retread of the two previous Khan stories then that would be anything but lazy.

Of course there is a lot of "ifs" in there but my point is that re-introducing Khan does not have to equate to being lazy. If they do use him then hopefully JJ and Co. and resist the urge of going the easy route and use their imagination to tell a truly inspired story with a character, who in my opinion, hasn't been fully utilized.

In fact, I think regardless, of who the main villain will be, it wasn't unanimous that Nero from the reboot was a worthy antagonist. The challenge for JJ now is to produce a movie that is better than the last one which means a stronger opponent for Kirk and Crew. If JJ thinks that its Khan then I support him. If they can come up with someone better then I'm for that as well. The story is more important than the characters who will be in it but it takes the right characters for the story to be fully realized so we'll see.

You get it. Bravo!

 

[AndrewGilkison]

So has it been officially confirmed that it's Khan? Or is it just more rumors/speculation?

 

[Dark Knight]

Let's be honest here in regards to reusing Khan being a lazy. The same can be said and actually was said (even by me when it was first announced) when Paramount announced a reboot. Plenty of people said a prequel was lazy and that they should have just made a new film with new characters, etc. In the end, Star Trek exceeded expectations and made Trek relevant again. Using Khan isn't such a bad idea. If anything, not only will he be a new, fresh incarnation of the character but he will also generate alot of hype. People want him. And that translates into big $$$.

You get it also!

 

[Thundercrack85]

How hard is it to top an angry Romulan miner?

 

[Dark Knight]

So has it been officially confirmed that it's Khan? Or is it just more rumors/speculation?

Nothing official. Just strong speculation and rumors from Latino and Vulture.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Oh oh...here we go with your attacks. Please, don't take it too personally since it seems I was on the mark again with Khan being the villain of choice in this next Trek film.

You were the one putting words in my mouth so it wasn't a personal attack but a rebuttal (yet again...learn to read, dude) and keep thinking people believe you know what you're talking about.

Funny how fanboys get arrogant and in their mind become know-it-alls when they get their way once every blue moon.

 

[cherokeesam]

... what can they do now that they've blown up a planet and created a black hole from scratch? Hmm...

hopefully a return to social allegory and moral dilemmas..

..if they include some of the old monsters, they need to update them visually.. the gorn, the mugato, the salt-vampire, the giant-steaming-rock-thing..

Hell, if it's an alternate reality with multiple timestreams thrown in to boot, JJ can do any damn thing he wants. Including "re-attaching" the original timeline, so that Vulcan never blew up, Pike commands the Enterprise, they're docked in SF instead of Iowa, etc.

Like Jamie said: lazy. Very convenient and lazy. Abrams seems to excell at this trend of using "alternate reality" as an excuse to do whatever he wants to a continuity, even in his own stories.

And throwing Khan into that alternate reality just further proves that. So he's going to do Khan Redux? Good luck. No way in hell will he be able to duplicate the success of TWOK. TWOK works on so many levels, but the most important is the element of time. TWOK is about a very old, veteran crew confronting a very old nemesis who's out for revenge. Every theme in that movie is about time --- old age, youth, death, rebirth. There is simply no way in hell you can transpose that onto a story about a new crew of recruits who are still wet behind the ears taking their shakedown cruise.

 

[OsGom]

There are other Star Trek villains to use besides Khan.

Don't forget .... the terror of ..... HARRY MUDD!!!!

 

[cherokeesam]

There are other Star Trek villains to use besides Khan.

Don't forget .... the terror of ..... HARRY MUDD!!!!

Better yet, create a *new* villain, since JJ is so intent on doing his own thing. Maybe the Enterprise can encounter a Smoke Monster.

 

[C. Lee]

Obviously they gave him some restrictions, but a lot of liberty too. And in the end butterfly effect gives him "carte blanche".

And it's not just little changes either. They ****ing blew Vulcan up. That's not going to effect history?

Though the Enterprise being built in Iowa did bother me. And it raises a few questions. The biggest one being... why? Just seemed like lazy writing.

It seemed simple to me. Kirk's dad became a hero...one way you pay tribute to a hero is to do things in honor of his name...like putting a multi billion dollar thousands of jobs creating ship building facility in his home state and town.

Forget "my grandfather;" *I* grew up with TOS.
Until I see written proof otherwise, I still won't believe that Abrams' Trek is supposed to be removed from canonical TOS. I believe he's been allowed to make *subtle* differences, but I'm positive that the developers won't let JJ (or anybody else) abuse/misuse their valuable property and assets.

Making an "Ultimates" alt version of TOS makes no sense, anyway. The whole purpose of the new movie that Berman came to Abrams with was to make a *prequel,* plain and simple. Not a reboot, not an Earth-2/ Ultimates version. 2009 Trek fits that bill; but if Khan really *is* involved in Trek 2, then you're talking about something that *isn't* a prequel, but *is* a reboot. And that's a whole nuther ball of wax.

I was there with Trek from the beginning. Watched it first run back in the 60's. I love original Trek more than all the other incarnations. But this is a NEW version.

Time has been altered. Kirk's father and hundreds of others died before their time when Nero came back through time. Those hundreds of deaths have caused immeasuarble changes in the timeline. People who in the previous timeline were born or influenced by those people no longer exist or no longer act in the same way as before. Government plans and contingencies have been altered. An unknown ship appeared out of nowhere and destroyed a Federation ship and hundreds of it's crew....that changes funding to projects, priorities change, missions are scrapped and new ones created. The planet VULCAN was destroyed and killed most Vulcans that existed. They are no longer one of the main players in the Trek Universe....they are now a homeless nomad minority. These are not subtle differences.

 

[C. Lee]

Hell, if it's an alternate reality with multiple timestreams thrown in to boot, JJ can do any damn thing he wants. Including "re-attaching" the original timeline, so that Vulcan never blew up, Pike commands the Enterprise, they're docked in SF instead of Iowa, etc.

Like Jamie said: lazy. Very convenient and lazy. Abrams seems to excell at this trend of using "alternate reality" as an excuse to do whatever he wants to a continuity, even in his own stories.

And throwing Khan into that alternate reality just further proves that. So he's going to do Khan Redux? Good luck. No way in hell will he be able to duplicate the success of TWOK. TWOK works on so many levels, but the most important is the element of time. TWOK is about a very old, veteran crew confronting a very old nemesis who's out for revenge. Every theme in that movie is about time --- old age, youth, death, rebirth. There is simply no way in hell you can transpose that onto a story about a new crew of recruits who are still wet behind the ears taking their shakedown cruise.

Throwing Khan into the mix has absolutely nothing to do with the movie THE WRATH OF KHAN....if they throw Khan into the mix it means a variation of the TV episode SPACE SEED. A young vibrant Khan with hundreds of elite followers revive and try to create an empire under his rule. This will be the first meeting between them again...when both are young with no old rivalries to think about.

 

[redhawk23]

Yes this film needs a strong protagonist...so why can't these writers who are being paid quite a bit of money come up with one?

The story may be a different take on Space seed but out an entire galaxy worth of stories, is that really one that needs to be revisited?

 

[redhawk23]

Double.

 

[cherokeesam]

Throwing Khan into the mix has absolutely nothing to do with the movie THE WRATH OF KHAN....if they throw Khan into the mix it means a variation of the TV episode SPACE SEED. A young vibrant Khan with hundreds of elite followers revive and try to create an empire under his rule. This will be the first meeting between them again...when both are young with no old rivalries to think about.

If they re-do "Space Seed," they've *got* to cast for Lt. McGivers. She was my favorite non-regular TOS crew member, bar none, and a young boy's fantasy for many a year. All right, decade.

And if they *don't* cast Christina Hendricks, I will boycott the holy hell out of JJ Abrams from here to eternity