Star Trek Sequel

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Personally, I'm glad Del Toro is gone, I don't like him as an actor.

I don't have deep feelings one way or the other regarding Kahn being the villain.

 

[Dark Knight]

Personally, I'm glad Del Toro is gone, I don't like him as an actor.

I don't have deep feelings one way or the other regarding Kahn being the villain.

It certainly might wind up being a blessing in disguise with Del Toro being gone.

I would be happy if JJ could snag Javier Bardem, Edgar Ramirez or Antonio Banderas. Banderas can still bring the intensity and he can still do action.

 

[Dark Knight]

Throwing Khan into the mix has absolutely nothing to do with the movie THE WRATH OF KHAN....if they throw Khan into the mix it means a variation of the TV episode SPACE SEED. A young vibrant Khan with hundreds of elite followers revive and try to create an empire under his rule. This will be the first meeting between them again...when both are young with no old rivalries to think about.

Exactly. With the new alternate Trek universe spin of course! I'm also thinking JJ, Orci, Kurtzman and Lindleof will NOT kill off Khan in this film either.

 

[Dark Knight]

Yes this film needs a strong protagonist...so why can't these writers who are being paid quite a bit of money come up with one?

The story may be a different take on Space seed but out an entire galaxy worth of stories, is that really one that needs to be revisited?

Revisiting? You and some others act like Khan was last seen on film 3 years ago.

My god man, it's been 30 years since Khan was last seen onscreen. Before that he was in the TOS in the 60's! I mean how old are some of you in here who keep acting like Khan was seen 3 years ago onscreen?

I'm 36, and NOW is the time to bring back this great all time Trek protagonist to the mass movie audience.

Khan is one of the best if not THE best Trek character villain of all time IMO. All of the previous Trek films have been searching for a villain that competes with him and all have failed IMO.

I'm sure JJ, Orci, Kurtzman, and Lindelof realize that if they didn't reintroduce Khan now, it would be a wasted opportunity. Especially if they are looking to top the first Trek film.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Revisiting? You and some others act like Khan was last seen on film 3 years ago.

My god man, it's been 30 years since Khan was last seen onscreen. Before that he was in the TOS in the 60's! I mean how old are some of you in here who keep acting like Khan was seen 3 years ago onscreen?

I'm 36, and NOW is the time to bring back this great all time Trek protagonist to the mass movie audience.

Khan is one of the best if not THE best Trek character villain of all time IMO. All of the previous Trek films have been searching for a villain that competes with him and all have failed IMO.

I'm sure JJ, Orci, Kurtzman, and Lindelof realize that if they didn't reintroduce Khan now, it would be a wasted opportunity. Especially if they are looking to top the first Trek film.

I'm kinda on the same page. It's not like Kahn is the Lex Luthor of this franchise. He was only in one episode and one movie. And to be honest, as much as I dug Trek (it's still a solid 8.5ish out of 10 to me) the villain was decidedly weak. (and the story plot holely I know) If they can give us a great version of Kahn along with a better less plot holely script I say have at it.

That's just me though, I understand Jamie's reservations but right now, I just don't have them.

 

[Destructus86]

I'd be very dissapointed if Khan was the villain.

 

[redhawk23]

Revisiting? You and some others act like Khan was last seen on film 3 years ago.

My god man, it's been 30 years since Khan was last seen onscreen. Before that he was in the TOS in the 60's! I mean how old are some of you in here who keep acting like Khan was seen 3 years ago onscreen?

I'm 36, and NOW is the time to bring back this great all time Trek protagonist to the mass movie audience.

Khan is one of the best if not THE best Trek character villain of all time IMO. All of the previous Trek films have been searching for a villain that competes with him and all have failed IMO.

I'm sure JJ, Orci, Kurtzman, and Lindelof realize that if they didn't reintroduce Khan now, it would be a wasted opportunity. Especially if they are looking to top the first Trek film.

Or they could try and come up with something new? I mean yeah I know its an old franchise and the whole name of the game is recreating an old property, but with that shouldn't they try to bring something NEW to the franchise?

Or even if they were going to bring back something older, they have an entire galaxy's worth of threats and adventures to encounter. Instead we get Kahn...again.

 

[Evil Twin]

Revisiting? You and some others act like Khan was last seen on film 3 years ago.

My god man, it's been 30 years since Khan was last seen onscreen. Before that he was in the TOS in the 60's! I mean how old are some of you in here who keep acting like Khan was seen 3 years ago onscreen?

I'm 36, and NOW is the time to bring back this great all time Trek protagonist to the mass movie audience.

Khan is one of the best if not THE best Trek character villain of all time IMO. All of the previous Trek films have been searching for a villain that competes with him and all have failed IMO.

I'm sure JJ, Orci, Kurtzman, and Lindelof realize that if they didn't reintroduce Khan now, it would be a wasted opportunity. Especially if they are looking to top the first Trek film.

While Khan has only appeared twice, I think it's fair to say that there have been plenty of Khan knockoffs. Including Nero with the "twist" that Nero wants revenge against Spock instead of Kirk. And plenty of callbacks to Star Trek II to boot.

Not that it should eliminate using Khan if they have a great story to tell using him. But, I do hope that they don't have another rogue villain with a powerful spaceship as a plot. Or, if they do, that they have a lot more going on.

It would be nice if there's some actual sci-fi ideas and themes going on along with some moral dilemmas to grapple with. Even better if they encounter some new worlds and new civilizations.

 

[redhawk23]

I'm kinda on the same page. It's not like Kahn is the Lex Luthor of this franchise. He was only in one episode and one movie. And to be honest, as much as I dug Trek (it's still a solid 8.5ish out of 10 to me) the villain was decidedly weak. (and the story plot holely I know) If they can give us a great version of Kahn along with a better less plot holely script I say have at it.

That's just me though, I understand Jamie's reservations but right now, I just don't have them.

Yet.

Thats my point, avoid that pitfall. I agree that Nero was a weak villain. That was largely due to the need to reintroduce the main cast but the problem still comes down to writing. Given the opportunity to do basically anything, go anywhere they just return to Space Seed.

 

[Destructus86]

KLINGONS...that's all I want.

 

[Dark Knight]

I'm kinda on the same page. It's not like Kahn is the Lex Luthor of this franchise. He was only in one episode and one movie. And to be honest, as much as I dug Trek (it's still a solid 8.5ish out of 10 to me) the villain was decidedly weak. (and the story plot holely I know) If they can give us a great version of Kahn along with a better less plot holely script I say have at it.

That's just me though, I understand Jamie's reservations but right now, I just don't have them.

I agree. Just as long as they write him correctly and don't make a Kahn into some cookie cutter villain, like previous film Trek villains. Now THAT would be a big disappointment, if they don't write his character appropriately.

They can of course use Space Seed as inspiration and come up with some fresh ideas and twists as well.

I hope they make Kahn into a kick ass hand to hand combat fighter as well.

 

[Dark Knight]

Or they could try and come up with something new? I mean yeah I know its an old franchise and the whole name of the game is recreating an old property, but with that shouldn't they try to bring something NEW to the franchise?

Or even if they were going to bring back something older, they have an entire galaxy's worth of threats and adventures to encounter. Instead we get Kahn...again.

We have seen some the galaxies "other" villains in the films after the WOF, and they all sucked pretty much.

Kahn brings complexity, depth, emotion, morale and scientific dilemmas (with the genetics) and intrigue that if they don't reintroduce him now in this alternate Trek universe, it will truly be wasted opportunity.

Like I said, wait until you see what they have in mind before thinking this is going to be the exact Kahn from the freakin 60's or the WOF. Once again....you act like Kahn was last seen by the general movie going public 3 years ago or something?

This will be probably be an intriguing new twist on Space Seed and something fresh, that has not been seen onscreen or in TOS with Kahn before.

 

[Dark Knight]

KLINGONS...that's all I want.

Klingons....again?? Just Kidding.

I see no reason why we can't see both Kahn and his minions and some Klingons?

Who knows...

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Once again....you act like Kahn was last seen by the general movie going public 3 years ago or something?

Once again...you're not grasping how shoe-horning in Khan this soon could be seen as lazy. Probably because he's the only one you've ever thought about and thus act like he's the only villain in the forty-five years of the franchise's history.

 

[redhawk23]

We have seen some the galaxies "other" villains in the films after the WOF, and they all sucked pretty much.

Kahn brings complexity, depth, emotion, morale and scientific dilemmas (with the genetics) and intrigue that if they don't reintroduce him now in this alternate Trek universe, it will truly be wasted opportunity.

Like I said, wait until you see what they have in mind before thinking this is going to be the exact Kahn from the freakin 60's or the WOF. Once again....you act like Kahn was last seen by the general movie going public 3 years ago or something?

This will be probably be an intriguing new twist on Space Seed and something fresh, that has not been seen onscreen or in TOS with Kahn before.

That's a problem with the writing not proof that movies cant have threats that aren't Kahn ripoffs or Kahn himself.

 

[Tony Stark]

Khan is one of the greatest Star Trek vilian in any incarnation, so bringing him back makes sense. I also agree that this will not be another rendition of Ricardo Montalbon.

Abrams has done a great job of resurrecting Trek, which was left dead by Paramount and Berman and Braga.

 

[Thundercrack85]

It seemed simple to me. Kirk's dad became a hero...one way you pay tribute to a hero is to do things in honor of his name...like putting a multi billion dollar thousands of jobs creating ship building facility in his home state and town.

Probably would have been easier if they just named a ship after him or something.

I would prefer Klingons over Khan. Klingons done well, perhaps with a redesign.

 

[redhawk23]

Yes he is a great villain. But why not take the chance to do something new? Even if its a new take on the character and the story, I'm just so meh to concept of more Kahn. These writers haven't shown much proof that they can write a good villain much less update Kahn.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Once again...you're not grasping how shoe-horning in Khan this soon could be seen as lazy. Probably because he's the only one you've ever thought about and thus act like he's the only villain in the forty-five years of the franchise's history.

Part of the reason is that Star Trek never really lent itself to having any recurring individual villains whatsoever, except for Deep Space Nine and very occasionally TNG. I agree: Khan is definitely NOT the Joker of the Star Trek universe, neither is he remotely comparable to Darth Vader, Green Goblin or another other "nemesis" supervillain. But as far as TOS continuity is concerned, he more or less gets assigned that role out of default.

 

[Dark Knight]

Once again...you're not grasping how shoe-horning in Khan this soon could be seen as lazy. Probably because he's the only one you've ever thought about and thus act like he's the only villain in the forty-five years of the franchise's history.

And around and around and around we go....no thanks.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

And around and around and around we go....no thanks.

I shouldn't have expected higher thinking from a fanboy. My mistake.

Also you can't rebut what I said because you know it's true. Hence no direct answer/reply and changing the subject.

 

[Dark Knight]

I agree: Khan is definitely NOT the Joker of the Star Trek universe

I disagree. His character brings it down to Earth and hits home more.

An interesting tidbit on Khans popularity per Wiki:

"The character has been positively received by critics and fans; Khan was voted as one of the TOP TEN GREATEST film villains of all time by the Online Film Critics Society."

The OFCS Top 100 Villains of All Time

1. Darth Vader (David Prowse/James Earl Jones, Star Wars, etc.)
2. Hannibal Lecter (Anthony Hopkins, The Silence of the Lambs, etc.)
3. Norman Bates (Anthony Perkins, Psycho, etc.)
4. Hans Gruber (Alan Rickman, Die Hard)
5. Frank Booth (Dennis Hopper, Blue Velvet)
6. Rev. Harry Powell (Robert Mitchum, The Night of the Hunter)
7. HAL 9000 (Douglas Rain [voice], 2001: A Space Odyssey)
8. The Wicked Witch of the West (Margaret Hamilton, The Wizard of Oz)
9. Graf Orlock (Max Schreck, Nosferatu)
10. Khan Noonien Singh (Ricardo Montalban, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan)


Khan even beats Nicholsons Joker in this one who was rated 16th at the time.

I think reintroducing Khan gives the writing team a chance to show some of Khans origins on film in flashbacks perhaps during the very interesting Eugenics Wars.

There is PLENTY that can be done with Khan that has not been shown in TOS (1967) and in WOK (1982) IMO.

 

[Dark Knight]

I shouldn't have expected higher thinking from a fanboy. My mistake.

haha. Still trying to bait me huh?

Classy.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

haha. Still trying to bait me huh?

Classy.

Yet again...changing the subject instead of acknowledging it. Truth hurts, kiddo.

 

[THANOSRULES]

I disagree. His character brings it down to Earth and hits home more.

An interesting tidbit on Khans popularity per Wiki:

"The character has been positively received by critics and fans; Khan was voted as one of the TOP TEN GREATEST film villains of all time by the Online Film Critics Society."

The OFCS Top 100 Villains of All Time

1. Darth Vader (David Prowse/James Earl Jones, Star Wars, etc.)
2. Hannibal Lecter (Anthony Hopkins, The Silence of the Lambs, etc.)
3. Norman Bates (Anthony Perkins, Psycho, etc.)
4. Hans Gruber (Alan Rickman, Die Hard)
5. Frank Booth (Dennis Hopper, Blue Velvet)
6. Rev. Harry Powell (Robert Mitchum, The Night of the Hunter)
7. HAL 9000 (Douglas Rain [voice], 2001: A Space Odyssey)
8. The Wicked Witch of the West (Margaret Hamilton, The Wizard of Oz)
9. Graf Orlock (Max Schreck, Nosferatu)
10. Khan Noonien Singh (Ricardo Montalban, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan)


Khan even beats Nicholsons Joker in this one who was rated 16th at the time.

I think reintroducing Khan gives the writing team a chance to show some of Khans origins on film in flashbacks perhaps during the very interesting Eugenics Wars.

There is PLENTY that can be done with Khan that has not been shown in TOS (1967) and in WOK (1982) IMO.

I have incredible issue with that top 10