Strange New Worlds Star Trek: Strange New Worlds - General Discussion Thread

[misjuevos]

Ah okay thanks. I just started watching Discovery but I’m not up to the point where Pike shows up. I have seen The Menagerie so I knew how he ended up; it may be interesting seeing how they handle a character who knows about his eventual doom.

I liked the cage better because it was the whole story. The menagerie is just the cage cut up and with a different ending. It is nice that they did make Pike cannon and show his adventure, since the pilot wasn't aired initially. They found a use for the footage that they spent time and money on, so at least it wasn't wasted. Now it is available and can be seen first, but it makes the menagerie ending not work for me. Once you see the cage you will know how they edited the footage for the menagerie.

 

[misjuevos]

I was wondering about the female Vulcan with Spock in the trailer, Is that T'pring? I thought they only met as children then as adults in Amok Time. The other theory is maybe it is in their heads the whole "Never and always Touching and Touched" thing they say to each other in Amok Time. Maybe they are going to interact in their minds.

Spoiler

This is strange though since we know T'pring doesn't want Spock.

 

[TheVileOne]

New trailer...

Yeah, I'm pumped for this show. It looks incredible. Why can't Halo looks this good? This looks like a $200 million movie. The production value looks insane. The cast looks great. I'm looking forward to this show.

 

[TheVileOne]

I was wondering about the female Vulcan with Spock in the trailer, Is that T'pring? I thought they only met as children then as adults in Amok Time. The other theory is maybe it is in their heads the whole "Never and always Touching and Touched" thing they say to each other in Amok Time. Maybe they are going to interact in their minds.

Spoiler

This is strange though since we know T'pring doesn't want Spock.

OK, but how official is this continuity? Is this genuinely meant to be a prequel to the classic series? Or is this a newly rebooted classic-style timeline? I'm just not sure how lock-in step this would be with classic canon.

 

[DarkKnight88]

These new series has a pick and choose attitude. I see them always as “loose” prequels.

 

[misjuevos]

OK, but how official is this continuity? Is this genuinely meant to be a prequel to the classic series? Or is this a newly rebooted classic-style timeline? I'm just not sure how lock-in step this would be with classic canon.

I am not sure either. I thought Star Trek shows were always in continuity. They try to fit every show into the main timeline, but the movies created their own alternate timeline and now things are getting skewed. Discovery mentioned Yor in season 3 and explained he was from an alternate timeline, the movie timeline. Then you have Picard and Discovery who make references to old things that happened in the main timeline. So I figured Discovery and Picard started in the main timeline, but both shows have time traveled so now it's up in the air I guess.

 

[TheVileOne]

I am not sure either. I thought Star Trek shows were always in continuity. They try to fit every show into the main timeline, but the movies created their own alternate timeline and now things are getting skewed. Discovery mentioned Yor in season 3 and explained he was from an alternate timeline, the movie timeline. Then you have Picard and Discovery who make references to old things that happened in the main timeline. So I figured Discovery and Picard started in the main timeline, but both shows have time traveled so now it's up in the air I guess.

So what timeline is Discovery in? And how do they know about the Kelvin/Abrams movie timeline?

 

[Dr.]

It’s looking like the broad strokes of Trek canon (specifically with respect to “The Cage” and “The Menagerie”) will be respected in SNW. Indeed, the basics were already established in season 2 of DISCO: Pike is in command of Enterprise; Number One is his first officer; Spock is a junior officer; etc. And in terms of apparent deviations… well, there’s narrative wiggle room. E.g., though Uhura wasn’t seen in “The Cage,” she might have been elsewhere on Enterprise. Or, at some point, she might have transferred off Enterprise and then transferred back on when Kirk took command. IOW, there are plausible scenarios that don’t explicitly contradict canon.

When DISCO first launched, there were complaints about retconning Spock’s backstory to give him an adopted sister — a sister that Spock never mentioned. (Of course, Spock never mentioned having a half-brother until one showed up in Star Trek V. ) Eventually, however, we were provided an explanation as to why Burnham and Discovery were erased from official Star Fleet history.

Likewise, in SNW, it’s possible that what seems non-canonical will — eventually — be set straight.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I feel like you can’t look too closely at the continuity all of this if you want to enjoy any of this stuff. Putting aside the obvious when it comes to Star Trek or Star Wars prequels (why technology suspiciously looks more advanced at moments that supposedly occurred before what we’ve already seen), you just have to give them some leeway when it comes to certain decisions. Even in the alternate timeline of the recent movies, certain things are changed that wouldn’t have been impacted by Nero’s invasion (Pike being a much older man, Carol Marcus having an English accent, Khan being British and having a different personality, etc.).

So with this show… there will probably be some inconsistencies (the Khan relative is the only one that seems particularly glaring but we’ll see what they do with it) but I think you have to kinda let that stuff slide or else it’s just not going to be an enjoyable experience. And as others have said, they’ve taken a lot of steps to ensure that the original shows and movies are still canon. I give them credit for that, especially in this era of “reboot everything after 5 years since the last thing didn’t work.”

 

[misjuevos]

So what timeline is Discovery in? And how do they know about the Kelvin/Abrams movie timeline?

Here is an article that explains the STD knowing about the kelvin timeline. Star Trek: Discovery Introduces a Character From the Kelvin Timeline

 

[TheVileOne]

Here is an article that explains the STD knowing about the kelvin timeline. Star Trek: Discovery Introduces a Character From the Kelvin Timeline

None of that makes any sense.

 

[Sithborg]

I am sure the continuity nerds are going to rage about small details. But, I'm sure it is "big picture" canon to the Prime universe. I mean, the animated series and Lower Decks are also canon, so whatever.

 

[vantheman77]

We hope to see Captain Pike's final days in Talos IV.

 

[Baggers]

We hope to see Captain Pike's final days in Talos IV.

We a much happier ending I hope.

 

[TheVileOne]

I am sure the continuity nerds are going to rage about small details. But, I'm sure it is "big picture" canon to the Prime universe. I mean, the animated series and Lower Decks are also canon, so whatever.

IMHO I would say just ignore most canon and alternate timeline junk and do your show. It's never going to be perfect just by virtue of how many years this franchise has been around.

 

[Baggers]

The more I see of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds the more I get more excited.

People that know me, know how much The Cage and Captain Pike mean to me, because of my Mom.

I like the idea of Pike being more of a tragic hero in this Show, the idea his future haunts him everyday, but doesn't let it shape him or take away his confident.

I like the way Pike gone nowhere near the convo about best Trek Captains, to pretty much one if not the main one, with this tragic shadow hanging over his head. The way he sacrificed his future in Season 2 of Star Trek: Discovery just shows how much of a hero he is.

 

[Silvermoth]

Yeah I feel like Pike just got pigeonholed as Kirk’s mentor so it’s great to see him as his own person. And all the promo art looks so good. It feels like a healthy nutritious meal

 

[misjuevos]

None of that makes any sense.

yeah that is Discovery for you.

 

[TheVileOne]

The more I see of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds the more I get more excited.

People that know me, know how much The Cage and Captain Pike mean to me, because of my Mom.

I like the idea of Pike being more of a tragic hero in this Show, the idea his future haunts him everyday, but doesn't let it shape him or take away his confident.

I like the way Pike gone nowhere near the convo about best Trek Captains, to pretty much one if not the main one, with this tragic shadow hanging over his head. The way he sacrificed his future in Season 2 of Star Trek: Discovery just shows how much of a hero he is.

Well now Pike is actually getting his own series as captain of the Enterprise. It makes sense that's going to change up the conversation.

 

[misjuevos]

IMHO I would say just ignore most canon and alternate timeline junk and do your show. It's never going to be perfect just by virtue of how many years this franchise has been around.

If they would have just started years or decades after Voyager, then they could have done whatever they wanted in Discovery. It would have been its own thing. But they wanted to force the show into the TOS era. Well there are certain expectations with that era. They completely gave up on that idea though, and now they are in the distant future and they can do whatever.

 

[TheVileOne]

If they would have just started years or decades after Voyager, then they could have done whatever they wanted in Discovery. It would have been its own thing. But they wanted to force the show into the TOS era. Well there are certain expectations with that era. They completely gave up on that idea though, and now they are in the distant future and they can do whatever.

Now I'm really confused. Also, Picard started decades in the future

If they are sticking with Pike's fate in The Menagerie, wouldn't that mean they are still in the TOS era?

 

[Dr.]

Here is an article that explains the STD knowing about the kelvin timeline. Star Trek: Discovery Introduces a Character From the Kelvin Timeline

The two examples cited in the article strike me as playful, Easter egg-y references to the Kelvin Timeline. In any case, what Star Fleet of 3189 may know about the timeline split would probably have little bearing on events taking place in 2260-ish (when SNW is set). Moreover, the Pike of DISCO and SNW seems to be following (more-or-less) the backstory established in TOS. I.e., we’re dealing with the Prime Timeline Pike — not the Kelvin Timeline Pike featured in Star Trek 09 and ST: Into Darkness.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I rewatched Wrath of Khan yesterday and it still holds up well. The only part that doesn’t is when they talk about how Khan and his crew of super people were put in suspended animation in 1996.

Boy, we were optimistic back then about how potential human achievement, weren’t we?

 

[metaphysician]

I rewatched Wrath of Khan yesterday and it still holds up well. The only part that doesn’t is when they talk about how Khan and his crew of super people were put in suspended animation in 1996.

Boy, we were optimistic back then about how potential human achievement, weren’t we?

I mean, be fair, they also predicted that nuclear war would happen a couple decades before that.

 

[misjuevos]

Now I'm really confused. Also, Picard started decades in the future

If they are sticking with Pike's fate in The Menagerie, wouldn't that mean they still in the TOS era?

I was only talking about Discovery. And yes Strange New Worlds is still in the TOS era. In season 2 of Discovery Spock and Burnham go to Talos IV and Vina ask them if Pike is going to show up as well. So the Pike we see in Discovery has already been through the cage episode.