Dark Raven
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A thread to discuss the classic original series starring William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy.
I'm not sure how many of us there are on this site....but I started watching Trek on it's original run in the 60's. Been a fan since the show started. While the sequels may have bigger budget and better effects...the original show will always be my favorite.
TOS had everything. IMO, the other shows never had the character dynamic that TOS had with Kirk, Spock and McCoy. When the others tried to emulate it, mainly with DS9 and VOY, it felt very forced.
TOS was fun, and a big part of that was those 3 characters.
We watched "the Trouble with Tribbles" last night, such a great episode. I laughed so hard.
As I may have said before in the TNG thread, those TOS characters were so effective because the writers weren't afraid to highlight their very human character flaws. Spock was arrogant and condescending (and self-hating, to some extent), McCoy was grumpy and stubborn, possibly slightly bigoted but in an amusing and pragmatic way. Those two really disliked each other in the TV show, that's been my observation.
Kirk was a borderline sexual degenerate and, when he made one of his moralistic speeches, a complete hypocrite as well. But these flaws made these 3 characters to relatable to the audience, who could recognize traits they could see in themselves.
Wheres in the post TOS universe, for some reason Roddz wanted the characters (the human ones at least) to never have any personal flaws. So you wound up with Bev Crusher, Laforge, Wesley Crusher, Troi, Ezri Dax, Harry Kim, Paris, Chakotay, Belanna Torres (the two most boring terrorists in history, apparently), Mayweather, Tucker, Sato and Reed. All those character you could switch their personalities and it would take you an hour before you'd notice the difference.
I'd almost include Riker on that list too, but he was such an amazingly effective first officer (the best XO in all of Star Trek IMO) that I give him a pass.
I think this is where the franchise ran out of gas. The reboot is what filled it up again, giving us a fresh new tank.The original series was also not so constrained by what seemed realistic or not. So you had plenty of fun episodes where the crew would visit a planet where anything could happen and it would be almost like having them planted into a completely different genre (eg Nazis, gladiators etc). You only really got those sorts of scenarios in a holodeck from TNG onwards (although it did have the fun Robin Hood episode).
From TNG onwards, the writers etc seemed to limit their imagination and were overly analysing what was realistic or politically correct. By the time it got to Enterprise, at least in the early episodes, that became extremely bland.
I think initially, they were trying to make the characters too "perfect," as there was no conflict with other crew members like we saw in TOS. But I think they knew what they were doing didn't work, as they wrote Wesley Crusher off the show, and later added some relationship issues between Picard and Crusher, made a love triangle between Riker, Troi, and Worf (which didn't go anywhere in the end), etc.
Without getting into spoiler material, can someone who's seen the newest film give a list of TOS episodes to watch in order to catch any references? Without listing why lol, just listing the episode title.