Star Wars

[Kurosawa]

I'm not a fan or rottentomatoes to be honest, but a friend showed me this today. Could the “Star Wars” Prequels Actually Better Reviewed Than Originals? according to this, it's true!

Tomatometer Ranking of Star Wars Series Based on Critical Reaction During Original Release Dates:
83% - Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
79% - Star Wars
65% - Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones
62% - Star wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
52% - The Empire Strikes Back
31% - Return of the Jedi

I found this part rather funny: As one can see, only “Star Wars” managed to be Fresh, with a respectable 79% on the Tomatometer, while the other two sequels got successively worse. Most of the critics thought the first film was an inventive, fun, and entertaining summer popcorn movie. It’s interesting that they complain about the dialogue back then too. “Empire,” which is regarded as the best of the series nowadays, only managed to score a mixed 52%. It received great technical grades, but critics had problems with the plot, one way or other, and thought it was just “minor entertainment.” It got worse with “Jedi” – uneven pacing, no character development, tired acting, and hollow and junky filmmaking. It scored a moldy 30% on the Tomatometer.

Anyways, you can read the full article here:http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/sta...quels_actually_better_reviewed_than_originals

We didn't have the internet in 1980, but I remember discussing ESB extensively in comic shops, and a lot of people back then SAVAGED the movie. They felt Lucas was obsessed with special effects and muppets and couldn't tell a story. Yoda being a muppet was just hated by a lot of people that I remember talking to, and Vader being Luke's father was seen as soap opera crap. And I also remember a lot of people hated Jedi back in 83.

 

[Doctor Jones]

You see, it's always been like that.

Pretty ironic now.

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Nobody's grateful for this amazing universe The Maker has given us; all you hear is ridiculous, ceaseless whining.

 

[8wid]

We didn't have the internet in 1980, but I remember discussing ESB extensively in comic shops, and a lot of people back then SAVAGED the movie. They felt Lucas was obsessed with special effects and muppets and couldn't tell a story. Yoda being a muppet was just hated by a lot of people that I remember talking to, and Vader being Luke's father was seen as soap opera crap. And I also remember a lot of people hated Jedi back in 83.

Yep, that's certainly true. Give the fanboys enough time they will finally be silent and accept it like everyone else has. That's why there is no point in listening to whining that nitpicks because it won't matter after tomorrow. Prequel haters will have the opposite reaction in about ten years.

 

[Erzengel]

I think it just shows how groundbreaking Star Wars was considering it wasn't as critically popular when it first came out and yet, Empire Strikes Back now is considered by many to be the bar to measure against other sequels. You don't see many movies where people seem to do a 180 because it was ahead of it's time.

 

[BlackLantern]

Nobody's grateful for this amazing universe The Maker has given us; all you hear is ridiculous, ceaseless whining.

well when the original film came out....the climate of cinema was very dark and gritty and a bit depressing....look at the other films that came out that decade....no one wanted "fantasy"....Lucas had to create ILM because Fox didn't have a special effects department and hadn't had one since the 50's or early 60's

 

[OctaviusINC]

I think it just shows how groundbreaking Star Wars was considering it wasn't as critically popular when it first came out and yet, Empire Strikes Back now is considered by many to be the bar to measure against other sequels. You don't see many movies where people seem to do a 180 because it was ahead of it's time.

I found it the same way with another Lucas work: Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. Though it's not a sequel ahead of its time, it got pretty poor reviews when it was initially released. But now it's regarded as a good sequel. Personally, I think Indiana Jones 4 will have the same effect. People get too critical with sequels.

 

[Bim]

Great1: i think it will grow a bit darker with time, although i would say it will never go totally dark considering it's a cartoon.

We didn't have the internet in 1980, but I remember discussing ESB extensively in comic shops, and a lot of people back then SAVAGED the movie. They felt Lucas was obsessed with special effects and muppets and couldn't tell a story. Yoda being a muppet was just hated by a lot of people that I remember talking to, and Vader being Luke's father was seen as soap opera crap. And I also remember a lot of people hated Jedi back in 83.

So Yoda was the OT's Jar Jar huh?

 

[Saved]

We didn't have the internet in 1980, but I remember discussing ESB extensively in comic shops, and a lot of people back then SAVAGED the movie. They felt Lucas was obsessed with special effects and muppets and couldn't tell a story. Yoda being a muppet was just hated by a lot of people that I remember talking to, and Vader being Luke's father was seen as soap opera crap. And I also remember a lot of people hated Jedi back in 83.

Jeez, and that's, like, my favorite Episode.

 

[OctaviusINC]

See? It doesn't matter what era you grew up in. There were whiny fanboys everywhere.

I'd love to go back to 1983, walk in that comic shop, slap them in the face and say, "It hasn't even begun."

 

[Saved]

Seconded ^^

 

[Paradox1]

Critics hardly know what there talking about when it comes certain genre of film. I wasn't old enough to care for the reviews when ESB came out I just remember totally loving it.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I found it the same way with another Lucas work: Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. Though it's not a sequel ahead of its time, it got pretty poor reviews when it was initially released. But now it's regarded as a good sequel. Personally, I think Indiana Jones 4 will have the same effect. People get too critical with sequels.

This is exactly what I've been saying. Give KOTCS ten more years. I'm sure there will be more respect towards it. It's a shame people can't see it now.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Great1: i think it will grow a bit darker with time, although i would say it will never go totally dark considering it's a cartoon.


So Yoda was the OT's Jar Jar huh?

The Ewoks are considered by some to be the OT's Jar Jar

 

[Bim]

The Ewoks are considered by some to be the OT's Jar Jar

How can people hate the lovely little furry creatures? they have to be heartless if they dont feel bad when the ewok goes down during the battle of Endor and the friend tries to get him to move and u know it wont, cause it's dead

 

[Raiden]

How can people hate the lovely little furry creatures? they have to be heartless if they dont feel bad when the ewok goes down during the battle of Endor and the friend tries to get him to move and u know it wont, cause it's dead

I always wonder why there's only one dead Ewok during the battle of Endor, but you see those poor Stormtroopers getting massacred by those furry teddybears.

 

[Bim]

I always wonder why there's only one dead Ewok during the battle of Endor, but you see those poor Stormtroopers getting massacred by those furry teddybears.

But the stormtroopers are on the Empire's side, they had it coming

 

[Maximum Carnage]

Ewoks should be shot with buckshot, their meat to be tied up on a spit, roasted, consumed, and their fur to be used to wipe my ass after my Meal of Kings.

 

[Maximum Carnage]

Sorry for the graphic nature of that last post..

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I think it just shows how groundbreaking Star Wars was considering it wasn't as critically popular when it first came out and yet, Empire Strikes Back now is considered by many to be the bar to measure against other sequels. You don't see many movies where people seem to do a 180 because it was ahead of it's time.

That should now be TDK.

Once Han is finally rescued, I'd choose ROTJ over ESB, personally.

The Ewoks are considered by some to be the OT's Jar Jar

Ewoks = Cuddly and awesome

 

[Doctor Jones]

I love the Ewoks. I want one of my own. And if you don't feel anything when that Ewok dies you have no soul.

They didn't really help ROTJ but hey, they're kids movies. I dug them when I was a kid. I dont' as much, but it's fine.

 

[Maximum Carnage]

Meh..

 

[Spider-Vader]

Yeah, I definitely think people will have a change of heart for the Prequels (I'll always hate AOTC though, because it's boring as hell) & Indy 4.

Especially Indy 4, people need to realize that aliens were in it to be like a 50's B-movie which usually had over the top sci-fi things in it. Just like how the first 3 felt like 30's serials.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

Yeah, I definitely think people will have a change of heart for the Prequels (I'll always hate AOTC though, because it's boring as hell) & Indy 4.

Especially Indy 4, people need to realize that aliens were in it to be like a 50's B-movie which usually had over the top sci-fi things in it. Just like how the first 3 felt like 30's serials.

I agree with everything you said here, except your reason on AOTC. I think the action is ok, my problems come from I think the CGI in this movie is the worst of any of the films, including the mid-90's Special Edition additions to the OT. Nothing looks that real to me in AOTC. Granted, I wasn't entirely convinced by Mustafar in ROTS, but I think that movie was extrememly good.
I agree that eventually it'll all be considered good to an extent, because of everything that's been said about the reception of the old movies. Besides, I look at it this way, with Hollywood today, even a movie once thought horrendous such as Episode I looks like Shakespeare in comparison to the dreck that keeps getting churned out ala Halloween II, Jennifer's Body, G.I. Joe, etc. etc.

 

[Sam Fisher]

I honestly have never had a problem with the prequels{or the OT SEs for that matter}. The only one I "don't like" AOTC. Episode 3 is as good as the originals IMO. I find Jar Jar annoying but I don't hate him either.