Stargate SG-1/Atlantis/Universe

[Happenstance]

Right ive just watched the episodes, as a show im interested but as a Stargate show I feel a bit let down

Spoiler

My main problem is the characters, now in SG1 and Atlantis characters were established straight away, I learnt their names, understood what they were about and liked most. With SGU I could only tell you a few character names so far and most im not finding particularly interesting. Yeah I know im sure we will find out more about them later on but for a pilot you really need to start off strong and I dont think that they did.

Second episode (or middle of the 3 part pilot I guess) felt a bit slow but im sure once seen altogether it will be ok.

I hope there will be more humour in the show once they have settled into their situation, I know Eli had some during these episodes but we'll see.

Love the extra budget obviously given to them, Destiny looks great and I really like the effect when its flying through space and its being washed over.

Obviously brilliant seeing O'Neill, Jackson, Carter, Walter, Dr Lee and pilot for the Hammond who apparently Carter stole from the Deadalus I think. Feel a bit sad that they couldnt work Teal'c into a quick cameo just because he was left out. Also maybe more of a mention of Atlantis past their mention of the database. Something like McKay on a computer screen trying to help with the calculations.

It did take me about a season for Atlantis to grow on me and of course I will be watching SGU everyweek but as I said, its still not feeling enough like Stargate for me.

 

[Dark Helmet]

Not a villian, but he knows more than he is telling. Also thru out the two parter I felt like he was upto something, like he was plotting. Also I can't wait to see what he did when he went back to Earth and took over Doctor Lee for awhile...

Plotting little bastard ain't he

 

[Superfreak]

Not a villian, but he knows more than he is telling. Also thru out the two parter I felt like he was upto something, like he was plotting. Also I can't wait to see what he did when he went back to Earth and took over Doctor Lee for awhile...

I get an evil Dr. Smith vibe from him ala Lost in Space

 

[Baggers]

Plotting little bastard ain't he

Yes lol

I get an evil Dr. Smith vibe from him ala Lost in Space

Yeah that very true. Also his little grin at the begining of the ep when he is watching over, looking at people coming thru the Stargate. He was just standing there grining, made him look alittle creepy in that scene, not sure about Rush atm

 

[Superfreak]

Yes lol



Yeah that very true. Also his little grin at the begining of the ep when he is watching over, looking at people coming thru the Stargate. He was just standing there grining, made him look alittle creepy in that scene, not sure about Rush atm

like I think he called the LA, that being the reason for his impatience perhaps?

 

[Happenstance]

like I think he called the LA, that being the reason for his impatience perhaps?

Thats something I have wondered aswell

 

[Superfreak]

BSG?? I see what you mean...



Yeah, I just find them boring, like how I found The Genii in SGA, the only thing that made them cool was Acastus Kolya.

and the only reason he was cool was because he was played by Rob Davi. It's the only reason that character lived on.

 

[Baggers]

Thats something I have wondered aswell

There just something "off" about him...

 

[Baggers]

and the only reason he was cool was because he was played by Rob Davi. It's the only reason that character lived on.

what a badass

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It did take me about a season for Atlantis to grow on me and of course I will be watching SGU everyweek but as I said, its still not feeling enough like Stargate for me.

Kind of a good thing to me. Stargate's standard formula was getting pretty stale to me over the last few years. I'm glad we don't necessarily have a specific "gate team" of four or five people. I'm glad we have a lot of mystery to some of the characters still.

I think part of the reason SG-1 got stale in its final few years was that we knew all there was to the characters, pretty much, and when the writers tried to deviate from those characterizations, fans got upset. I mean, Daniel was practically O'Neill-Lite by season 9, whereas he was O'Neill's polar opposite in the earlier seasons. When did that change happen? Daniel felt really weird to me in those last few seasons because the writers were trying new things, but we'd all already become acquainted with the character for 7 or 8 years and over a hundred episodes by then.

So yeah, SGU so far lacks that familiar, comfortable Stargate feel, but I think that opens it up to more interesting possibilities. Maybe it'll be the Deep Space 9 of the Stargate universe.

 

[stargazer]

Deep Space 9 rocked.. for the most part. Didn't dig that ending with Cap. Sisko.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I loved DS9. But I was talking about its tonal shift relative to the other Star Trek series. It's sort of the black sheep of the Star Trek family, but that's not so bad because it explored different areas and very much has its own identity, as opposed to Voyager, which played it safe and came off like TNG's inferior cousin.

 

[Happenstance]

Well ive said what I needed to on what im not sure on, time to move onto the more positive things I think.

The Destiny looked amazing. I never liked the Ancient warship design in Atlantis so im glad this one is a lot better.

I'll be interested to see how this show goes in the long run, I know theyve said they dont want a "big bad" like the Goa'uld or the Wraith but sooner or later they should start fixing their problems.

If they actually had the right materials they'd be able to get someone in from Earth to build the Asgard equipment used in the last ep of SG1 for unlimited recources. Of course that wont happen as it would make life for them way too easy and it'd basically turn into Voyager.

 

[wiegeabo]

Most people who dog DS9 didn't make it to season 3. Once they got the Defiant (read, the producers realized that you actually need a starship in Star Trek), it really took off in quality.


And Daniel Jackson's characterization shifted once the Ancients kicked him out in season 7. He sort of became disillusioned with them and didn't revere them the way he used to. So that could explain his change in attitude. Especially after he found out Anubis was partially ascended, and yet the Ancients were leaving him alone.

 

[Happenstance]

Most people who dog DS9 didn't make it to season 3. Once they got the Defiant (read, the producers realized that you actually need a starship in Star Trek), it really took off in quality.


And Daniel Jackson's characterization shifted once the Ancients kicked him out in season 7. He sort of became disillusioned with them and didn't revere them the way he used to. So that could explain his change in attitude. Especially after he found out Anubis was partially ascended, and yet the Ancients were leaving him alone.

Yeah it was that but unfortunately it was also them trying to fill the void from RDA leaving so Jackson got a bit too sarcastic at times. I still liked the character but they changed him just a bit too much I think.

 

[stargazer]

Yeah it was that but unfortunately it was also them trying to fill the void from RDA leaving so Jackson got a bit too sarcastic at times. I still liked the character but they changed him just a bit too much I think.

I agree. I remember in the movie and at the beginning of the series he was supposed to be more.. um nerdy?

In later seasons he lost all that and became more like a soldier. He even got all buffed up and all... somewhat out of character, I agree.

http://l.yimg.com/l/tv/us/img/site/91/17/0000039117_20070413120418.jpg

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[wiegeabo]

I didn't have a problem with Daniel's change.

The galaxy became a very dangerous place when Anubis showed up, and he adapted. The essence of his character, the archeologist, was still there. But years of fighting System Lords and replicators for Earth and the galaxy toughened him up and made him a better fighter. I see it as a natural progression. He was always getting into it with Jack, the bad guys, and others (most often with Jack) anyway. The sarcasm was always there. It's just, with Jack gone, all we saw was the sarcasm with the bad guys and others.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He was the moral center of the team. The rest were all military people (although Teal'c was from a different military, obviously), so Daniel was the odd man out who questioned the morality of things when the others were ready and willing to kill or take drastic action. Then season 9 rolls around and suddenly Daniel's the one rushing to weaponize everything and destroy the Ori and trample over others' beliefs and such. It's that lack of questioning himself and the state of the universe that bugged me about Daniel in the last two seasons. That was at the core of his character initially, but by season 9 it was just gone.

 

[wiegeabo]

He was the moral center of the team. The rest were all military people (although Teal'c was from a different military, obviously), so Daniel was the odd man out who questioned the morality of things when the others were ready and willing to kill or take drastic action. Then season 9 rolls around and suddenly Daniel's the one rushing to weaponize everything and destroy the Ori and trample over others' beliefs and such. That was a little odd to me.

He was trying to convince everyone that the Ori were false gods. No different from when he tried to convince everyone that the Go'uld were false gods.

Well, it was a bit different because Daniel used to be ascended. He knew the power ascended beings have, and what the Ori could do. And that if the Ori became strong enough to take out the Ancients, then there'd be no hope. Add to that the fact the Ori and their forces were essential unstoppable. The Go'uld could be fought and slowed down by conventional weapons and means, but not the Ori. So the quest to find a way to fight them became all consuming. He was still the moral center, although Cam did some of that too. But Daniel also learned that sometimes you just have to kick some ass.

Besides, if a character never changes, then they become stale. Jack was promoted (although his promotion to General feels like Kirk's promotion to Admiral. Not quite a comfortable fit). Sam developed a personal life. Teal'c became a politician. Even Vala became rather heroic.

 

[GhostPoet]

Near the end Daniel pretty much became JackDaniel

 

[wiegeabo]

Near the end Daniel pretty much became JackDaniel

Bwahahaha. Best nickname ever.

 

[BlackLantern]

this show does have a different vibe to it because most of them have no ****ing clue whats happening....except for Rush

 

[Sam Fisher]

Near the end Daniel pretty much became JackDaniel

 

[Gold Samurai]

Near the end Daniel pretty much became JackDaniel

I remember when Cameron and Sam went invisible and went to another dimension.

Dr. Lee was explaining something to Daniel and Daniel went

"What?!?!"

Total Jack right there

First he cut his hair in season 2's season finale then was shown pumping iron in season 7's "Orpheus"

It's natural progression and also Shanks wanted to distance himself from being just James Spader's Daniel Jackson 2.0.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't mind his physical changes at all. It makes sense that the nerdy scientist surrounded by badass military-types and going on off-world missions every other day would want to bulk up. It makes sense that he'd adopt a more practical haircut. It even makes sense that he'd finally get some weapons training and start carrying a P90 like the big boys (and Carter).

My problem was that he seemed to lose the core of his moralistic, scientist self. He never really questioned anything the way he used to. I guess it makes sense that he'd become emotionally hardened over the years, but I didn't like it. It took away something essentially Daniel Jacksony from the Daniel Jackson of seasons 9 and 10.