Stargate SG-1/Atlantis/Universe

[Sam Fisher]

http://www.diamondselecttoys.com/article.asp?ai=79980

These figures are cool.

 

[MaydayParker]

Ooh! Awesome Action Figures!

I'm new here. Huge Stargate SG-1 fan here, but I never really got into Atlantis.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Welcome! Me too. I've always was more into SG1.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked both. Atlantis definitely felt a lot more derivative than SG-1, though. SG-1's first few seasons felt very fresh and novel, since the vast majority of cosmic sci fi actually took place out on spaceships in the distant future. Stargate was one of the first to take those concepts and really embed them as much as possible into "our world."

 

[MaydayParker]

Welcome! Me too. I've always was more into SG1.

Thanks!

I liked both. Atlantis definitely felt a lot more derivative than SG-1, though. SG-1's first few seasons felt very fresh and novel, since the vast majority of cosmic sci fi actually took place out on spaceships in the distant future. Stargate was one of the first to take those concepts and really embed them as much as possible into "our world."

That was one of the things I loved about it too. When watching it, I always catch myself saying "Now we're in trouble," instead of now "Now they're in trouble."
I think that that's the true mark of a good Sci-Fi. You start refurring to the people of Earth in the show as like that. t:

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, totally. I think we lost a lot of that from the 8th season on, when so much of the action started taking place on the Prometheus and other ships.

 

[MaydayParker]

Yeah. They seemed to forget what really made the show great.

And trying to have it without O'Neill?! Forget it! Didn't they learn anything from when they killed Danny off?

 

[GhostPoet]

I liked them both pretty equally, but for different reasons. I like SG-1 because they use the Gate a bit more. but I like Atlantis because they are farther out in the universe and there's very little to do with earth.

 

[MaydayParker]

Another thing that kinda threw me off Atlantis was that you had to suddenly forget all about SG-1 and get to know these other characters that barely showed up in SG:SG-1 at all.

Sheppered is cool and all, but we didn't really know much about him, so his attitude came off badly.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

You learn quite a bit about Shep as the show goes on, though.

Yeah. They seemed to forget what really made the show great.

And trying to have it without O'Neill?! Forget it! Didn't they learn anything from when they killed Danny off?

Eh, I didn't mind O'Neill's departure. I just wish they'd done more with Mitchell. He really lacked an identity within the group and, consequently, within the show.

 

[MaydayParker]

But by then its a little late. I'd already been annoyed too much by him.


True that about Mitchell. I still to this day can't remeber his whole name.
And I'm sorry, but Stargate just isn't Stargate without Jack.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think a lot of things contributed to the awkwardness of the last few seasons. The show had a sturdy enough foundation to withstand a few changes, but the rapid-fire changes that started happening around season 8--Jack's promotion due to RDA's request for less screen time, Mitchell's introduction, the Goa'uld's defeat, the Ori's introduction, Daniel's personality change, Vala's addition, the greater emphasis on spaceship and super-high-tech stuff, the Asgard's departure, etc.--were just too much. The show was practically unrecognizable by the final episode.

 

[DTL Commish]

After O'Neil took the promotion in season 8, the show never seemed to take place in space anymore. Pretty much earthbound, which defeats the purpose of the show.

Once he left, it became all about the Ori. Not necessarily bad, but they never seemed to do anything except deal with the Ori. No more exploration. Even the G'ould would have been too much if they mix it up with other storylines. I think the problem was, each year they assumed they'd be canceled, so they had keep focused on the Ori and ready to end it any time.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, forgot to change names there, huh, wieg?

Yeah, the focus in the final two seasons was way too much on the Ori. No more planets that were just interesting in their own right; everywhere SG-1 went was directly related to the Ori. Also, the challenge just wasn't there anymore because we knew exactly how the Ori situation would be resolved: convenient deus ex machina tech. That's the way every major conflict in SG-1 started getting resolved by that point.

 

[Dr Lee]

Too much changed too quickly for a lot of people to handle, IMHO.

Had they gone with the 'Stargate:Command' idea they had instead of continuing SG-1 for 2 more years then i think a lot of the changes would have been accepted.

 

[wiegeabo]

Haha, forgot to change names there, huh, wieg?

Shut up you!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Too much changed too quickly for a lot of people to handle, IMHO.

Had they gone with the 'Stargate:Command' idea they had instead of continuing SG-1 for 2 more years then i think a lot of the changes would have been accepted.

I definitely would've found Vala's presence, Mitchell shooting up to the top of SG-1's command structure, and the new bad guys much more palatable if they'd been the launching point for a totally new show rather than a drastic shift in the SG-1 series.

 

[BlackLantern]

I like Vala....in a naughty way

 

[wiegeabo]

I definitely would've found Vala's presence, Mitchell shooting up to the top of SG-1's command structure, and the new bad guys much more palatable if they'd been the launching point for a totally new show rather than a drastic shift in the SG-1 series.

Thinking back on it, I agree. A new series lasting 5 or so years, like Atlantis, would have been the perfect place for the Ori saga. You have the new SG-1 as the stars, but you also start to focus on other teams. And plenty of time for non-Ori stories to allow for a more dramatic buildup of their threat.

Then, if Atlantis ends like now, Command is still going, and Universe starts in the summer.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I could've done without Carter and Teal'c, even. Just have Mitchell assemble a new SG-1 and have Daniel accompany them on missions in an advisory (read: not pwning b****es with his P90 like Rambo) capacity. Let's be honest--what did Carter and Teal'c really add to the show in seasons 9 and 10? Their character arcs were basically over, with Carter movin' on up the ranks, gaining her own command, and becoming the go-to gal for sciency stuff in the Stargate universe and Teal'c attaining and overseeing the freedom for his race that he sought so fervently. They could guest-star every once in a while, but Mitchell, Vala, Daniel, and some newb would've created a new dynamic for a new team on a new show facing a new threat, which would've made the whole shebang feel much fresher.

 

[Sam Fisher]

I didn't mind the last few seasons. Not a big fan of the Ori though. And what's the point of having ships if you have a stargate?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The Stargate malfunctioned or got attacked a hell of a lot.

 

[lou2099]

. Huge Stargate SG-1 fan here, but I never really got into Atlantis.

I don't like Stargate SG-1, but I am brand new to Atlantis and I must say I like those characters better.

 

[Baggers]

Christopher McDonald is SGU’s Senator Armstrong: http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/02/christopher-mcdonald-is-sgus-senator-armstrong/

Lou Diamond Phillips cast on Stargate Universe: http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/02/lou-diamond-phillips-cast-on-stargate-universe/

Huffman completes Stargate Universe cast: http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/02/huffman-completes-stargate-universe-cast/

ER, Smallville alums join Stargate Universe: http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/02/er-smallville-alums-join-stargate-universe/

 

[BlackLantern]

I watched '200' again recently and I think its great....especially the puppets and DeLuise swearing his ass off at the end...."and we can get away with that, because its cable"