Stargate SG-1/Atlantis/Universe

[RetroNaz]

Other than the "stargate" concept itself, a couple of cameos and a few small references, this is pretty much a standalone series thus far.

I'd definately check out the other shows though man, if you get the opportunity.

SGU = BSG + Lost + a pinch of soap opera elements (or what I like to think as them trying to suit it towards a more general audience) and that's pretty much the show.

We have a bit of a 50/50 crowd in here regarding who likes it, and who doesn't. It might pay to read through a few posts to gauge some reactions which may help you decide

 

[wiegeabo]

Because the posts in this thread are so polarized, I'd say don't read any of them. Go into it fresh, or at least with some of the other shows under your belt.

I bet this group could come up with 5 or so key episodes each season that would explain all you need to know about the SG mythology leading into SGU.

But SGU does a pretty good job explaining some SG mythos since one of the characters is unfamiliar with it as well.

 

[SsM]

I have never watched any of the Stargate series but have been somewhat interested. So I figured I'd ask some questions before I decide if I should jump in.

How much of the other shows tie into SGU? Do I need to have seen them to be caught up? Does watching them add alot to this new series?

I heard SGU seems to be going for a similar feel to the Battlestar series, Do you find this to be true? How?

All you need to know about SG1 stuff that ties in with SGU are those Communication stones so far.. besides the Stargate itself, oh, and that RDA got fat.

 

[RetroNaz]

All you need to know about SG1 stuff that ties in with SGU are those Communication stones so far.. besides the Stargate itself, oh, and that RDA got fat.

haha quoted for truth!

 

[RetroNaz]

Because the posts in this thread are so polarized, I'd say don't read any of them. Go into it fresh, or at least with some of the other shows under your belt.

I bet this group could come up with 5 or so key episodes each season that would explain all you need to know about the SG mythology leading into SGU.

But SGU does a pretty good job explaining some SG mythos since one of the characters is unfamiliar with it as well.

Hmm, excellent point. To Wiegeabo, you listen

 

[Superfreak]

Other than the "stargate" concept itself, a couple of cameos and a few small references, this is pretty much a standalone series thus far.

I'd definately check out the other shows though man, if you get the opportunity.

SGU = BSG + Lost + a pinch of soap opera elements (or what I like to think as them trying to suit it towards a more general audience) and that's pretty much the show.

We have a bit of a 50/50 crowd in here regarding who likes it, and who doesn't. It might pay to read through a few posts to gauge some reactions which may help you decide

There is NO BSG or LOST in SGU. Certainly not in the level of quality that those shows delivered.

and A PINCH????? come on now

 

[BlackLantern]

don't you sully the good name of BSG by putting it in with SGU, naz

 

[Philly Phanboy]

Yeah SGU is closer to a sci fi take on Big Brother than BSG.

Its boring, sexist, voyeuristic pap where not much happens and people talk about their emotions and failed relationships a lot...oh yeah and it takes place on a spaceship.

 

[wiegeabo]

Hmm, excellent point. To Wiegeabo, you listen

Always good advice.

 

[Superfreak]

Yeah SGU is closer to a sci fi take on Big Brother than BSG.

ain't that the truth

 

[RetroNaz]

LOL as I said before, we are a 50/50 bunch on who likes it and who doesn't.

 

[RetroNaz]

There is NO BSG or LOST in SGU. Certainly not in the level of quality that those shows delivered.

and A PINCH????? come on now

BSG in the way they shoot the episodes with that free camera/almost documentary like feel. The close ups on faces, you know that sort of thing.

Lost in the way that we have a story about people trapped on a ship (or island) yet the story is more about the people and their lives than it is the actual situation.

So yes mate, there is a bit of a parallel.

Suddenly a show has a situation where they can't see their loved ones or are starting to feel some sexual tension and suddenly it's a full on soap opera because they want to relieve the tension? My god, either you people don't live in the real world...or...or...I'll refrain from commenting any further so I don't appear to be taking this too far.

I start to wonder why you people come in here ruining the mood by always being so negative and disruptive to people who genuinely want to enjoy and talk about the show.

It's fair enough to critique and talk about what doesn't work, but some of you are starting to borderline troll. Go watch your reruns of BSG or Lost and leave the people in here that are genuinely interested in discussing this show be! (This isn't a direct go at you Superfreak, I'm just quoting your post to address your points).

 

[SsM]

BSG in the way they shoot the episodes with that free camera/almost documentary like feel. The close ups on faces, you know that sort of thing.

Lost in the way that we have a story about people trapped on a ship (or island) yet the story is more about the people and their lives than it is the actual situation.

So yes mate, there is a bit of a parallel.

Suddenly a show has a situation where they can't see their loved ones or are starting to feel some sexual tension and suddenly it's a full on soap opera because they want to relieve the tension? My god, either you people don't live in the real world...or...or...I'll refrain from commenting any further so I don't appear to be taking this too far.

I start to wonder why you people come in here ruining the mood by always being so negative and disruptive to people who genuinely want to enjoy and talk about the show.

It's fair enough to critique and talk about what doesn't work, but some of you are starting to borderline troll. Go watch your reruns of BSG or Lost and leave the people in here that are genuinely interested in discussing this show be! (This isn't a direct go at you Superfreak, I'm just quoting your post to address your points).

To be fair, the thread is for the entire Stargate franchise, not just SGU.

 

[RetroNaz]

Fair call SsM. I'm sorry if I offend fans of the other series...

 

[Gilpesh]

So yes mate, there is a bit of a parallel.

Except where BSG and LOST are good... and SGU isn't. It's like BSG and LOST are the TDKR and Watchmen to SGU's crappy 90's comic book.

Suddenly a show has a situation where they can't see their loved ones or are starting to feel some sexual tension and suddenly it's a full on soap opera because they want to relieve the tension? My god, either you people don't live in the real world...or...or...I'll refrain from commenting any further so I don't appear to be taking this too far.

Oh great... you're already on to the number two excuse for this show, "nerds are afraid of sex"? Please stop.

If it was well written, the character drama (aka sex sex sex) wouldn't bother people.

I start to wonder why you people come in here ruining the mood by always being so negative and disruptive to people who genuinely want to enjoy and talk about the show.

Yes. Because people who say bad things about the show... weren't really wanting it to be good.

Go watch your reruns of BSG or Lost and leave the people in here that are genuinely interested in discussing this show be!

Crap. You're already on number three.... "If you don't have anything good to say, shut the **** up." You're fast.

 

[RetroNaz]

Except where BSG and LOST are good... and SGU isn't. It's like BSG and LOST are the TDKR and Watchmen to SGU's crappy 90's comic book.


Oh great... you're already on to the number two excuse for this show, "nerds are afraid of sex"? Please stop.

If it was well written, the character drama (aka sex sex sex) wouldn't bother people.


Yes. Because people who say bad things about the show... weren't really wanting it to be good.


Crap. You're already on number three.... "If you don't have anything good to say, shut the **** up." You're fast.

Cheers for proving my points. You don't disappoint.

You're funny.

 

[Gilpesh]

Cheers for proving my points. You don't disappoint.

You're funny.

I refrained from calling you a troll at first. But now I'm sure of it. So...


Stop trolling.

 

[RetroNaz]

Sorry for my troll posts guys.

Gilpesh is right.

I was wrong to want to talk about the show without being harassed by your constant bullying posts. You get me on the defensive each and everytime by picking apart what I have to say and try and turn it around back on me?

Goodness me, what did I do to you to get me in your target crosshairs? Seriously...?

 

[Superfreak]

BSG in the way they shoot the episodes with that free camera/almost documentary like feel. The close ups on faces, you know that sort of thing.

Lost in the way that we have a story about people trapped on a ship (or island) yet the story is more about the people and their lives than it is the actual situation.

So yes mate, there is a bit of a parallel.

no worries

yes, the DP is definately from the BSG production, or atleast learned a lot from it... but other than that, don't compare BSG to this show... it's got nothing on BSG

on Lost: I'm sorry to say this retro, but I whole heartedly disagree. Lost uses it's 'flashes of past lives' to shed light on why characters on the island are making the decisions that they are (within the episode). This element, which is key to the success of Lost and is utterly absent in SGU. One can see that they are trying to use the concept, but one can also see that they are failing miserably at it. Again: the useless flashes of Camille and Scott's earth lives, they have no purpose, other than exposition as I said before. While in Lost, the flashes show us why people are behaving the way they are on the island.

Simply put: the character development (the trips to earth) have no connection to the events on the ship (Young and Telford being the only exception so far) other than it is the same characters.


As for what Gil said about people complaining because they actually want the show to be good: that is pure truth. It's subjective, but what isn't. I know that I'm not all that impressed with the show, but I want it to be good: Criticism is the only way that anything in this world improves. I complained about Smallville for 6 years... and guess what, it finally did improve,,, to the point of being better than this show (had there been no critique of the show, they still be shovelling the same garbage down the audiences throat).

 

[RetroNaz]

no worries

yes, the DP is definately from the BSG production, or atleast learned a lot form it... but other than that, don't compare BSG to this show... it's got nothing on BSG

on Lost: I'm sorry to say this retro, but I whole heartedly disagree. Lost uses it's 'flashes of past lives' to shed light on why characters on the island are making the decisions that they are (within the episode). This element, which is key to the success of Lost is utterly absent in SGU. One can see that they are trying to use the concept, but one can also see that they are failing miserably at it. Again: the useless flashes of Camille and Scott's earth lives, they have no purpose, other than exposition as I said before. While in Lost, the flashes show us why people are behaving the way they are on the island.

Simply put: the character development (the trips to earth) have no connection to the events on the ship (Young and Telford being the only exception so far) other than it is the same characters.


As for what Gil said about people complaining because they actually want the show to be good: that is pure truth. It's subjective, but what isn't. I know that I'm not all that impressed with the show, but I want it to be good: Criticism is the only way that anything in this world improves. I complained about Smallville for 6 years... and guess what, it finally did improve,,, to the point of being better than this show (had there been no critique of the show, they still be shovelling the same garbage down the audiences throat).

Hmm I see what you mean. I wasn't being specific enough in my comparisons...I never meant it to be regarding content. More so, in the story structure and how it actually looks. But yes, it's not cool to stand this up next to great shows like BSG and Lost - that wasn't my intention.

I can see where Gil is coming from, I can. He's just addressing his last few posts more like he is having a go at me rather than the show.

 

[Superfreak]

Hmm I see what you mean. I wasn't being specific enough in my comparisons...I never meant it to be regarding content. More so, in the story structure and how it actually looks. But yes, it's not cool to stand this up next to great shows like BSG and Lost - that wasn't my intention.

I can see where Gil is coming from, I can. He's just addressing his last few posts more like he is having a go at me rather than the show.

the story structure is definately like Lost, nothing like BSG. But as I said, they've failed at using the 'Lost' structure. I count 8 trips back to earth and as I pointed out, only the Young/Telford trips have had anything to do with 'the island'. The others were just melodrama, with no purpose other than melodrama.

defend the show all you want, it's certainly your perogative. But don't expect me to agree, until the show proves it's worth, which IMO, it is far from doing, and for me, it's actually moving away from proving its worth.

faith in a show is earned... and the SG crew still have to make up for SGA, which I found to be a substandard SG1, with a higher budget.






one thing that I really didn't like: was the changing of the pace from the premier episode, to the regular single servings. The opening epi was intense...it was a great episode. But as soon as they turned to the character development, the show went downhill fast.

 

[RetroNaz]

the story structure is definately like Lost, nothing like BSG. But as I said, they've failed at using the 'Lost' structure. I count 8 trips back to earth and as I pointed out, only the Young/Telford trips have had anything to do with 'the island'. The others were just melodrama, with no purpose other than melodrama.

defend the show all you want, it's certainly your perogative. But don't expect me to agree, until the show proves it's worth, which IMO, it is far from doing, and for me, it's actually moving away from proving its worth.

faith in a show is earned... and the SG crew still have to make up for SGA, which I found to be a substandard SG1, with a higher budget.






one thing that I really didn't like: was the changing of the pace from the premier episode, to the regular single servings. The opening epi was intense...it was a great episode. But as soon as they turned to the character development, the show went downhill fast.

That's cool man.

I agree with you on this, faith in a show is earned.

 

[Matt]

Ladies and gentlemen, everyone is entitled to their opinion without attack whether they like or dislike the show. Please keep this civil. Thank you.

 

[Flash Facts]

Thank you all for your input.

 

[zanos]

I don't know why all the praise for BSG; that show was utter garbage. It was so bad you could literally puke from watching it.