The Dark Knight stuff that has been confirmed by the sides

[itsthebatman]

About the bank manager scene:
he is horrified by the thug's face;
the thug shoots him when he asks the thug what he believes in;
and it is 'Gentle voice'.

Two-Face's face is horrifiying;
'I believe in Harvey Dent' - could two-Face shoot him because this phrasing is too painful for him to hear?
Gentle voice, which is the rational side of his character, as opposed to Angry voice (or whatever)
What do you guys think? Or am I reaching?

 

[Nepenthes]

Man, some people don't know the maining of the term "confirmed". There are tons of conclusions being drawn here.

Well yeah nothing is actually *confirmed* yet but some things are more likely than others. I already admitted there were conclusions been drawn.

We have no idea whether or not Scarecrow is loose. This movie could very easily take place mere days after Begins, and therefore people are still insane from the climax of Begins.

As I said before the basis for this conclusion is that it'd would be unnecessary and confusing to continue the fear gas if neither Ra's or Scarecrow are present. That includes the effects of the gas. If they're gonna use it they have to reference Scarecrow and then tell us what happened to him. Also 'unscrew your brain' sounds like a psychiatrist to me.Just because it's not written in plain view doesn't mean you can't read between the lines.

Same goes for the Jokers origin and Dent meeting Bruce. If it's hinted in the slides then imo it's fair to discuss here

 

[wikum]

ok sorry I've definitely leapt to conclusions. The Gannon scene. Gannon - an elected protector - is defending Batman from the beautiful Natasha who arrives bearing champagne on the arm of 'Kennedy' (who stays silent on the matter) at Gannon's house




no the point is why introduce a missing boss that's presumed dead? if they needed a *merely absent* mob boss well then there's Falconio. also it's in a specific location. why is location important? are there chemicals around that will alter a corpse to confuse forensic examination? and if someone is buried half alive well then they'd probably come back seeking revenge.

it wont be a joker origin, well i highly doubt it and here is why. both of the characters in this scene are up for screentesting, read the list of sides. so unless the guy who plays the pre joker ISN'T heath, then you are wrong.

 

[Nepenthes]

that's not what I meant ^. The Joker might be the missing 'boss' they're referring too. The cop says "you bury people here, sometimes they're not found for months. So tell me, where can I find your boss?' The thug says "ha ha, he'll find you"....

There are two suspicious things here....

1. why would they introduce a missing boss that's presumed dead?. A merely *absent* boss would've been Falconio. It's wandering off-track. Of course there are many reasons why a dead boss might be important, but one reason in particular stands out....

2. the scene is in a specific location. This is important because you can hide bodies in many ways - but here the location is being emphasised because it's revealed to the audience. We can see firsthand what this place is like. Why didn't the cop say 'you bury people at locationX across town'? The fact that the scene takes place WITHIN the location they're referring to, it means the location is important. Maybe there's chemicals and stuff lying around. A toxic dump.

So...a specific place. A dead boss who'll come back and 'find you'. I'm also guessing the cop is Batman or a vigilante.

 

[Hunter Rider]

There is some very interesting stuff here particularly as pertains to the Joker but there seems to be a lot of roles un-cast,when exactly do they start shooting ?

BTW any ideas on why Bruce goes to Hong Kong ?

 

[wikum]

that's not what I meant ^. The Joker might be the missing 'boss' they're referring too. The cop says "you bury people here, sometimes they're not found for months. So tell me, where can I find your boss?' The thug says "ha ha, he'll find you"....

There are two suspicious things here....

1. why would they introduce a missing boss that's presumed dead?. A merely *absent* boss would've been Falconio. It's wandering off-track. Of course there are many reasons why a dead boss might be important, but one reason in particular stands out....

2. the scene is in a specific location. This is important because you can hide bodies in many ways - but here the location is being emphasised because it's revealed to the audience. We can see firsthand what this place is like. Why didn't the cop say 'you bury people at locationX across town'? The fact that the scene takes place WITHIN the location they're referring to, it means the location is important. Maybe there's chemicals and stuff lying around. A toxic dump.

So...a specific place. A dead boss who'll come back and 'find you'. I'm also guessing the cop is Batman or a vigilante.

Ok sorry I understand exactly what you mean now and I think you are dead right t:

 

[Ryan227]

There is some very interesting stuff here particularly as pertains to the Joker but there seems to be a lot of roles un-cast,when exactly do they start shooting ?

BTW any ideas on why Bruce goes to Hong Kong ?

Business dealings in Hong Kong maybe. That's the only reason I can think of for him to go there, assuming that is Bruce who went.

 

[Crooklyn]

Bruce is there to pick up some asian persuasion.

 

[itsthebatman]

There is some very interesting stuff here particularly as pertains to the Joker but there seems to be a lot of roles un-cast,when exactly do they start shooting ?

BTW any ideas on why Bruce goes to Hong Kong ?

Shooting next month, I think towards the end.
As someone said (Ryan?), business probably, but no confirmation it is Bruce - could it be Lucius?

 

[Katsuro]

Business dealings in Hong Kong maybe. That's the only reason I can think of for him to go there, assuming that is Bruce who went.

Don't forget that Dent is also interrogating the same "Mr. Lau" that Bruce goes to Hong Kong to meet. So more happens there than just business dealings.

Assuming Bruce is Faulkner anyways.

 

[wikum]

Don't forget that Dent is also interrogating the same "Mr. Lau" that Bruce goes to Hong Kong to meet. So more happens there than just business dealings.

Assuming Bruce is Faulkner anyways.

When I think Hong Kong, I think business dealings and when I think business dealings, I think Sionis.

 

[Nepenthes]

But why does business have to be in *Hong Kong* rather than Gotham? It's very strange. Perhaps there's no other reason that to continue the 'global' scope that openned BB, Nolan said something in the DVD features about it providing real world context for the movie.

 

[Kebab gud]

Up or debate:

Vigilantes make everything more complicated. Might help ready the audience for a Catwoman in number 3.

hmm... Vigilantes in gotham... black canary?

 

[wikum]

But why does business have to be in *Hong Kong* rather than Gotham? It's very strange. Perhaps there's no other reason that to continue the 'global' scope that openned BB, Nolan said something in the DVD features about it providing real world context for the movie.

Yea I'm thinking its just so the whole film isn't just Gotham Gotham and Gotham.

 

[batman7289]

is any thing really confirmed yet

 

[Victarion]

100%:
Scarecrow is out and about gassing people and working for someone, possibly Maroni or Joker.

Bruce Wayne is friends with/or gets to know Harvey Dent, not just Batman

Police chase Batman

Up or debate:
The Joker rigs bombs on ferries, begging the question of how Batman reaches the ferries for a rescue.

Vigilantes make everything more complicated. Might help ready the audience for a Catwoman in number 3.

Bruce Wayne travels to Hong Kong in the present day, it's not flashback.

Or perhaps The Phantasm, being non other than Talia Al-Ghul. Think about it: Bruce already shared a romantic relation with Selina in the old movies. We haven't seen Talia yet.

She could choose to become The Phantasm as a way to help Bats get a hold on the escalation, so daddy doesn't come back to finish the job.

 

[Victarion]

100%:
Scarecrow is out and about gassing people and working for someone, possibly Maroni or Joker.

Bruce Wayne is friends with/or gets to know Harvey Dent, not just Batman

Police chase Batman

Up or debate:
The Joker rigs bombs on ferries, begging the question of how Batman reaches the ferries for a rescue.

Vigilantes make everything more complicated. Might help ready the audience for a Catwoman in number 3.

Bruce Wayne travels to Hong Kong in the present day, it's not flashback.

Or perhaps The Phantasm, being none other than Talia Al-Ghul. Think about it: Bruce already shared a romantic relation with Selina in the old movies. We haven't seen Talia yet.

She could choose to become The Phantasm as a way to help Bats get a hold on the escalation, so daddy doesn't come back to finish the job.

 

[Victarion]

edit: sorry , doublepost.

 

[Matt.S99]

Or perhaps The Phantasm, being none other than Talia Al-Ghul. Think about it: Bruce already shared a romantic relation with Selina in the old movies. We haven't seen Talia yet.

She could choose to become The Phantasm as a way to help Bats get a hold on the escalation, so daddy doesn't come back to finish the job.

so?we've already seen Joker and dent/Two-face,that didnt stop them

 

[Victarion]

True, but Catwoman + Penguin were really the only old villains done cinematic justice, imo.

 

[Katsuro]

About the bank manager scene:
he is horrified by the thug's face;
the thug shoots him when he asks the thug what he believes in;
and it is 'Gentle voice'.

Two-Face's face is horrifiying;
'I believe in Harvey Dent' - could two-Face shoot him because this phrasing is too painful for him to hear?
Gentle voice, which is the rational side of his character, as opposed to Angry voice (or whatever)
What do you guys think? Or am I reaching?

Honestly, i wouldn't say horrifying is the right way to describe Two-Face, especially a more realistic Nolanized Two-Face. I mean, when you see a guy with lots of scars or anything kinda gross like that, you dont act horrified. You feel a little disgusted perhaps, but you try to act normal. I mean, obviously you wouldn't act normal if this same guy is robbing you, but I wouldn't use "horrified" to describe the reaction.

On the other hand, if there was some crazed serial killer going around that everyone was afraid of, and you found yourself staring face to face with him, "horrified" is exactly the word to describe your reaction. Not to mention his appearance is just downright disturbing. Sick, sadistic smile, piercing eyes, chalk-white skin, much scarier looking than a guy with a nasty scar.

Wouldn't it be great if the masks all the robbers are wearing are Joker masks, like in Dark Victory? All of them are wearing masks of the Jokers face, so that when Joker takes off his mask, it's just the same face underneath.

 

[killingyouguy]

that's not what I meant ^. The Joker might be the missing 'boss' they're referring too. The cop says "you bury people here, sometimes they're not found for months. So tell me, where can I find your boss?' The thug says "ha ha, he'll find you"....

There are two suspicious things here....

1. why would they introduce a missing boss that's presumed dead?. A merely *absent* boss would've been Falconio. It's wandering off-track. Of course there are many reasons why a dead boss might be important, but one reason in particular stands out....

2. the scene is in a specific location. This is important because you can hide bodies in many ways - but here the location is being emphasised because it's revealed to the audience. We can see firsthand what this place is like. Why didn't the cop say 'you bury people at locationX across town'? The fact that the scene takes place WITHIN the location they're referring to, it means the location is important. Maybe there's chemicals and stuff lying around. A toxic dump.

So...a specific place. A dead boss who'll come back and 'find you'. I'm also guessing the cop is Batman or a vigilante.

The way I understood that line is that the "cop" is threatening the "thug" in order to get information about his "boss". They're at a location where the mob dumps bodies and the cop is threatening the thug, saying the same thing will happen to him if he doesn't speak. And since we "know" from the sides that Maroni becomes boss and that he is also arrested (he must be to go on trial), than it would be very likely that the "boss" the cop is looking for is, in fact, Maroni. Perhaps, indeed, to track him down and arrest him.

And I think you're really reaching with the whole "toxic dump" thing. At least in trying to tie it to the Joker. I see nothing in the sides that make me think we will see the 'mobster origin' (or a varient of it) from B89. Personally I'm hoping we see the TKJ origin, which I think brings a lot more to the character.

KYG

 

[Katsuro]

And I think you're really reaching with the whole "toxic dump" thing. At least in trying to tie it to the Joker. I see nothing in the sides that make me think we will see the 'mobster origin' (or a varient of it) from B89. Personally I'm hoping we see the TKJ origin, which I think brings a lot more to the character.

KYG

Most recent rumors suggest that Joker was a low-level gangster who was betrayed by the mob, shot, then dumped into a vat of chemicals, only to end up surviving and coming back for revenge on his old gang.

Now, no way of knowing if that's true, but with what we have in the sides it's definatley not impossible. We know theres a place that the mob liked to dump bodies that plays some importance in the film. The same scene mentions someone's boss, who sounds an awful lot like the Joker. We know Joker robs from a bank he knows to be run by Sal Maroni.

Also, there've been tons of rumors suggesting that not only were they looking to Batman #1 and #2 for inspiration, but to Joker's Five Way Revenge also.

Given all that, I could definatley see this new, interesting take on the Joker's origin being used. And i have to say, I like it. Of course, i'd prefer no actual origin, but rather several made-up origins told by the Joker to various people. Something sympathetic for Harley, something frightening or shocking for the jury, and he tells Batman it was his fault. No way to know which is true.

 

[killingyouguy]

Of course, i'd prefer no actual origin, but rather several made-up origins told by the Joker to various people. Something sympathetic for Harley, something frightening or shocking for the jury, and he tells Batman it was his fault. No way to know which is true.

That could be pretty cool.

As for the rumour, I don't think I've heard it before. There were many rumours that looked almost certain (Roman Sionis, Joker scarring Dent, etc.) and they have, apparently, all been shot down. This one looks even less certain. But we'll see.

 

[Nepenthes]

I can definitely see Batman labouring to figure out the Jokers story and when it's finally revealed we're all amazed and curiosity is satisfied. Then, in the last minutes of the film the corpse of the 'missing' boss is actually discovered but it's destroyed before it can be examined. But was it a lookalike dressed up to resemble the boss and fool our detective, or was it actually him? If so then who IS the Joker? ooooh

I'm sure Nolan could think of something much cleverer but you get what I mean. The multiple choice origin is one of the best aspects of the Joker but I also firmly believe that an origin of some kind will make TDK so much better. Fortunately Nolan likes to include twists and puzzles in his movies.