First Avenger suggestion that's going to get my lynched

[3atman]

Ok, so I'm a big CM Punk fan, CM Punk is a big comic book fan. He said if there is any character he'd beat the crap out of, it'd be Captain America because of the super serum (CM Punk is straight edge). Now, I actually agree with this. The serum annoys me. We live in an era where all our heroes are on steroids. The serum is basically steroids....on steroids.

Should they change it up so that either A) he doesn't even take the super serum but gets to be a super soldier through hard work or B) he's forced, like literally held down and forced, beaten up, etc to take the serum.

Or do you think it's ok that Captain America uses a performance enhancer?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

The American government has been experimenting on their troops for years anyway.

The super soldier serum is just an experiemnt that didn't go wrong. It's not really roids.

 

[UnkillableMick]

I think that's a hilarious post. Unless you're being serious. Then it's kinda silly.

 

[x-fan]

The super serum is more like a DNA enhancer since it does more than make Steve stronger, it increases his speed and endurance above that of the most advanced athlete. plus this will be a period peice, they didn't even know what steriods were back then, I don't think.

 

[3atman]

I don't care when it's set. He's using artificial means to accomplish his goal. Maybe it's just a part of the character I don't like, but even if it is an experiment, I don't care. He's basically using a perfomance enhancing drug to become a better athlete/soldier. Which is kinda what American athletes and heroes are known for, so I guess it fits.

Also, X-Fan, I don't think you understand steroids. They too enhance your speed, endurance, just about everything. HGH and steroids in high doses alters your DNA, Cap is basically on a super steroid.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

He's not hitting home runs, he's stomping Nazis. You got a problem with that?

 

[ChickenScratch]

What the hell is CM Punk?

 

[x-fan]

Steve just wanted to serve his country, he was unable to join the service for health issues. he volunteered for an experiment by the government, because it was the only way he could serve jis country.He wasn't trying to score touchdowns or hit home runs, he wanted to serve the country he loved, with the serum all of his health issues were cured and he was improved, over night. He didn't have to workout, run many laps practice drills over and over to improve it was overnight.

 

[SuperFerret]

Drugs are bad, mmkay?*



































*Unless they give you super powers. It's a lot like radiation that way.

 

[BrlntDsgse]

I think you're overthinking it a bit, it's just a sci-fi trapping of the story. Yeah, it bears some similarities to what real-life steroids do, but it was never intended to be a parallell to or endorsement of steroids. And besides, steroids aren't INHERENTLY evil, just their usage as an unfair advantage in sporting competitions. As a matter of fact, I'd bet any amount of money that if tomorrow there were some new steroid-like substance that had ZERO negative side effects to your health and personality (which is kinda what the serum is) that within 5 to 10 years it's usage would be totally common and standard for most major pro sports AND the military.

 

[Ipodman]

Might as well cut out all the drinking in Iron man..

 

[FaT_tONle]

Fine, you have the doctor testing this **** on animal subjects. Rogers signs a non-disclosure agreement without reading the fine print, and a branch of the military illegally doses him and covers up the identity and origins of how this freak of nature came about. Write in Rogers as a guy with little to no family ties so people won't question him. Account for a memory loss as far as how he obtained his new abilities. That way it is not voluntary by any stretch.

 

[x-fan]

not bad FAT but I'd leave him his memory, and make it so he sees the results a s a blessing that now he can serve in the war effort at last, he didn't go in looking to be(a steriod user) just for some undisclosed test.

 

[roach]

Hey I got an idea...lets not do Captain America and just make up another character. The SSS is a part of Captain America...if you take away the aspect where he volunteered then its not Cap.
While we are at it lets take the cigarette away from Wolverine, Alcohol and loose women away from Stark??? And since fighting is bad lets just have these guys play chess against each other....sheesh dont over think it guys

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The amount of ridiculously pointless threads never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Hey I got an idea...lets not do Captain America and just make up another character. The SSS is a part of Captain America...if you take away the aspect where he volunteered then its not Cap.
While we are at it lets take the cigarette away from Wolverine, Alcohol and loose women away from Stark??? And since fighting is bad lets just have these guys play chess against each other....sheesh dont over think it guys

This.

 

[3atman]

I don't think this is a pointless thread, I think it's interesting. It's certainly not as pointless as the dozen "which American Eagle model do you want to play this role that's not going to get chosen and talk in circles with each other" threads.

The guy who said you may as well take alcohol out of Iron Man, no, because Iron Man made the suit through his own intelligence. Hulk is a scientist who was "superheroed" by accident, Spider-Man was a lovable loser type of kid who by chance got bit by a Spider. Batman is a badass hell bent on justice. Superman was born with God-like power and he choses to save 1 city (kinda stupid too). Captian America is a wimpy runt who can't hack it so he takes a serum, and, as someone else said, OVERNIGHT becomes a super solider.

You can say it's because he wanted to serve his country. However, I would like to serve the Atlanta Braves, should I take HGH to do so? Or should I work my tail off to do it?

I just have a problem with Steve's powers not being made through hard work or accident, but by choice. It's kinda how all the old disney movies annoy me with "if you're a beautiful girl all you have to do is want something really REALLY bad and it'll happen" a problem Princess and the Frog address, but I digress. Cap is kinda like saying "if you aren't able to do something, take short cuts".

I don't actually think any of this will happen or even should. Just food for thought. Maybe, in some ironic or tragic, or tragically ironic way Captain America really IS Captain America. A guy who wanted success so bad (in his case, fighting for his country) that he took something made my scientists instead of spending the rest of his life working for it. A guy who is probably a really good guy with good intentions and maybe misjudged (by me).

BTW, I think the flack steroids get is crap considering they aren't actually that dangerous and there are loads of other performance enhancers that no one talks about.

 

[mrsjohnnystorm]

double post.

 

[mrsjohnnystorm]

The thing that makes Captain America different from any other person that the army would choose, and different from those Disney princess who lived happily ever after, or any other superhero for that matter, is that Steve Rogers has a pure heart and completely altruistic. He WANTS to join the army because he believes he can fight the war, but the only thing that's keeping him from it is his body.

For me, I don't think the Super Soldier Serum nor Caps 260 pounds are the basis of his powers. I think it's his leadership and his ability to breakdown a successful strategic and tactical plan that makes his powers.

Also, steroids are performance enhancers that allows you to pack more weight or enhances your performance. If you're skinny like Steve pre-serum and he takes steroids, he still needs to bulk up and lift those weights. (and any athlete, or bodybuilders would know that). But the SSS completely bulks you up, and it's only a one-time process, that means it doesn't get you addicted or anything. Maybe that's why steroids never really crossed my mind when I thought of the SSS -- so I guess audiences wouldn't see the parallel either.

 

[Webhead2006]

3atman, i dont think that would go over well. now sure i am against drugs and all that myself. but we dont need to make changes that doesnt need to be chaged for the film.

 

[roach]

No one seemed to have an issue with it in TIH...and yes this is a pointless thread..trying to change the basic story of the character because a wrestler has an issue with it....
So the only good way to get powers is thru hard work or an accident????
What about mutants or Superman????? Are you against Captain Marvel who seems to get a mystical shot of roids when he says Shazam?????

 

[HUMANIMAL]

i think taking this serum was very naive from steve and i see it as an accident. he wasnt knowing exactly what this changes may bring. its like in spiderman: with great powers comes a lot of responsibility. he is the opposite of a villain, not using power to destroy and conquer but to protect and to serve i mean a jerk taking roids to achieve his goals may still remain a jerk. i think its about the power into the right hands, very american after all...and i'm sure as well that they will show this struggle int the movie of steve trying to fit in, believing in technology and becoming a freak with superpowers which no one around him has, till he sees that it isnt the power of the serum but his attitude and his heart that makes him a hero after all.

 

[roach]

How is he naive????
Why wouldnt the government tell him whats going and whats going to happen to him???
It takes away the fundamental aspect of Cap. I cant imagine that someone who would become the greatest tactician in the comic universe would be too naive to know what the project was about.
Why would you go out and fight the Nazis if the country you were trying to help pulled a fast one on you?

 

[marcvader]

First of all no amount of excercise or hard work was going to get him in the army, his health and size did not meet the requirements. Second, the experiment could have fatal results. His willingness to do it for his country showed bravery, heart, and determination. Hardly a cheater i think.

 

[Bruce Malone]

The super serum is the ultimate PED. There's no way around it however in the grand scheme of comics is just one other way a hero got his powers.