First Avenger suggestion that's going to get my lynched

[roach]

Threads like these remind me why I hardly ever post anymore in the first place.

Also, Captain America didn't win the war now did he?

Originally the U.S. wanted to make the whole army consist of soldiers such as he, but things went to hell and he was the only one who benefited from it. He served as a symbol of American might, a fighting personification of everything they'd want to stand for and inspiration to keep on fighting.

Obviously in real life they wouldn't use someone this spectacular in the fashion that they did since he'd of been such a beauteous target, wearing the flag and representing what he did would of meant that killing him would of killed hope, all the more reason to kill him.

He'd of been used for recruitment footage and if actually used he'd be some special op type that would never be seen as he silently killed enemy forces, an American ninja.

Thank you for forcing me to think of how weak the character is, jerk.

well if its real world then that means Red Skull exists too...RK was scaring the ***** out of enemy troops to the point that they fled as soon as they saw him. US saw this and need someone to calm the troops and give them the feeling they were fighting with the spirit of America...hence Captain America and the star spangled suit

 

[3atman]

at what point did Captain America promote the military?????

and as someone who joined the military I have not met anyone who joined because the recruiter said go kill the enemy and become a patriot. Its clear to me that you have some issues with the military and thats cool because we all arent supposed to like the same things

I honestly appreciate people who have been in the military. I was in ROTC at college for one year until I felt like everything I was doing, I was just doing as a robot. Taking orders. I also stopped because if I became an officer, I would be ordering around people who were trained to be robots. I just didn't like that.

Captain America made people more patriotic, that's what I meant by promote the military. It was propaganda.

One last time, my ONLY POINT is that he's just like every other american hero. I don't think it's a bad thing, I just thought it was funny when you think about the SSS like a performance enhancer just like what all the other heroes use.

 

[roach]

I honestly appreciate people who have been in the military. I was in ROTC at college for one year until I felt like everything I was doing, I was just doing as a robot. Taking orders. I also stopped because if I became an officer, I would be ordering around people who were trained to be robots. I just didn't like that.

Captain America made people more patriotic, that's what I meant by promote the military. It was propaganda.

One last time, my ONLY POINT is that he's just like every other american hero. I don't think it's a bad thing, I just thought it was funny when you think about the SSS like a performance enhancer just like what all the other heroes use.

 

[Bubonic]

well if its real world then that means Red Skull exists too...RK was scaring the ***** out of enemy troops to the point that they fled as soon as they saw him. US saw this and need someone to calm the troops and give them the feeling they were fighting with the spirit of America...hence Captain America and the star spangled suit

The jerkness has rubbed off on me as I shouldn't even be trying to bring in real world logic into this because it'll never end.

First off, soldiers don't scare easy once they've been out on the field long enough. I can't imagine a dork in a skeleton mask would invoke much terror compared to seeing one of your brothers unsuccessfully trying to hold his guts in.

He'd have to have fear inspiring capabilities, and a cruelty remarkable even in times of war.

In either case you have some super soldier on either side who are figureheads, they're more capable, they cause more damage, they stand out like sore thumbs and their obvious leaders.

Hmm, wonder who we should gun for? So we'll have to believe that these super soldiers are so damned super they can avoid being killed when every last enemy soldier is gunning for them!

 

[roach]

The jerkness has rubbed off on me as I shouldn't even be trying to bring in real world logic into this because it'll never end.

First off, soldiers don't scare easy once they've been out on the field long enough. I can't imagine a dork in a skeleton mask would invoke much terror compared to seeing one of your brothers unsuccessfully trying to hold his guts in.

He'd have to have fear inspiring capabilities, and a cruelty remarkable even in times of war.

In either case you have some super soldier on either side who are figureheads, they're more capable, they cause more damage, they stand out like sore thumbs and their obvious leaders.

Hmm, wonder who we should gun for? So we'll have to believe that these super soldiers are so damned super they can avoid being killed when every last enemy soldier is gunning for them!

I based that on the Red Baron who in WW1 painted his plane bright red and became such a awesome pilot that enemy pilots retreated when they saw his plane

 

[Bubonic]

I based that on the Red Baron who in WW1 painted his plane bright red and became such a awesome pilot that enemy pilots retreated when they saw his plane

But now that I think of it, isn't the Red Skull more of a behind the scenes guy? He didn't even have super powers, but I still don't see how he could be used effectively as propaganda.

I see him more being used as propaganda by the United States in order to personify the evil that Nazism represented, and oh wait, that is exactly what he was when he was created.

The Minister of Propaganda would have never approved.

 

[Bubonic]

Oh and implying you'd be lynched for a stupid thread makes light of lynching, and could surely be offensive to some.

 

[roach]

But now that I think of it, isn't the Red Skull more of a behind the scenes guy? He didn't even have super powers, but I still don't see how he could be used effectively as propaganda.

I see him more being used as propaganda by the United States in order to personify the evil that Nazism represented, and oh wait, that is exactly what he was when he was created.

The Minister of Propaganda would have never approved.

I see them using Red Skull as a fear monger....RS uses his dust of death and a rumor gets started that he can kill just by looking at someone...he would be the reason why Germany rolled into Poland and France and England pretty much gave it to him...RS would be feared in the same way the SS was feared

 

[Bubonic]

I see them using Red Skull as a fear monger....RS uses his dust of death and a rumor gets started that he can kill just by looking at someone...he would be the reason why Germany rolled into Poland and France and England pretty much gave it to him...RS would be feared in the same way the SS was feared

I like it.

I still think Cap as infantry is ludicrous on all levels since it be such a risk, but then again I wouldn't want to see him without him looking like he should.

 

[roach]

I like it.

I still think Cap as infantry is ludicrous on all levels since it be such a risk, but then again I wouldn't want to see him without him looking like he should.

agreed. You dont call Cap to take out an armored division...you call him in for special missions

 

[Bubonic]

Good, now I can sleep.
Carry on.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

It's not comparable to using 'roids in sports. Sports have specific rules against it, because it gives an artificial advantage to one athlete over another, in a setting that's supposed to honor natural ability.

War isn't like that. War is full of artificial enhancements. If it wasn't, it would literally be guys in a field punching each other. Every gun, every tank, every missile, every piece of body armor, is an artificial advantage. The super-soldier serum is just a more advanced form of weaponry.

 

[Webhead2006]

i dont want to sound like a jerk at all. But I think it would probably be best for this thread to be closed. Since its just a silly endless debates going on and on.

 

[3atman]

I agree, I've made some interesting points that at least make people think, people have made posts that made me think, that's all I wanted. No need for this to keep going. Unless you want it to be one of those silly circular cast threads or ideas threads where about every 5-10 pages everyone reintroducing their ideas again, they're ignored by other people offering their ideas, and round about it goes.