Discussion in 'Misc. Superman Films' started by Kevin Roegele, Sep 4, 2005.
That was brilliant, the end with Batman was awesome "I'm Batman"
Hope that they get to speak to Nic for the doc
Fantastic. Love the spider... Though it's the wrong S for that suit.
I wish they'd be more Cage Superman fan art.
I have been meaning to make some... but because lazy.
Well, that's not a flattering depiction of Nic Cage.
Here ya go.
April 22nd on twitter The Angry Ginger asked "How goes the Making of?"
Jon Schnepp answered ‏"interviews! stacking them up!"
Awesome, really can't wait for the doc
May 28th on twitter Jon Schnepp said ‏"Getting ready for Philly WizardWorld, screening the Grimm Animated Pilot, shooting "Superman" Doc footage, selling my merch! Come say hi!"
Loads of great and very interesting information. Thanks theMan-Bat.
I have been always interested in what Burton's take on Superman would have been. After so many rumors and denials.
This movie obviously would've been quirky, peculiar and unique visually (it is Tim Burton after all, that is the extent of his depths as a film maker)
But this movie surely would've been a disaster on scale with the Superman II, Superman III, Superman IV, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman and Robin of the world.
Kevin Smith clowned this movie, and he worked on the damn script. That tells you all you need to know. A known big name actor as Superman? Especially one as odd and off beat as Nic Cage? Stupid decision.
Superman II, Batman Returns and Batman Forever were not disasters. They were all financially successfully and all of those films had and still have many fans.
They were not using Kevin Smith's scripts.
I'll take odd and off beat over dull and bland any day.
Financially successful doesn't equate to quality, and you're more than intelligent enough to realize that. Each one of those films weren't as successful as their predecessor (aside from BF being more marketable to families thus the financial success) ...
Superman II was ruined with the replacement of Donner and then adding even more cheese and tongue in cheek-ness than what was already dating aspects of the '78 film. Batman Returns was obviously a very alienating film among the fan base. And it didn't have the commercial appeal of it's predecessor.
Over a confused bland mess such as say ... Superman Returns? Completely agree. Seeing Nic Cage as Superman would've made me laugh like no other. It probably would've ended up being a giant un-intentional comedy.
It still most likely would've failed as a film though in terms of quality. Seems like from leadership down the focus of the movie was still in the wrong place, as it was ALL the WB films post Batman '89. The focus wasn't on the material, the source, or being a quality film. The focus of the studio and producers was their business ties with toy companies and other merchandising venues.
Superman Lives was no different. Just look at all the unused toy concept art that was being designed before the finalized film aesthetics were. It was influencing the design process. Which is terrible. It should be the other way around, when the look for the film is finished then the merchandising companies get the blueprints to make their products.
Burton at the time was very good at depicting alienated characters and I mean beyond the visuals alone.
Superman II, Batman Returns, B. Forever were disasters? I wasn't aware. Nor did I know that they were in the same bag as B&R, SIII and SIV.
Kevin Smith clowning about this just tells me he was spitting sour grapes as he had fired from the project after all he wanted to work in it.
Yeah, what's exactly wrong with a big name as Superman?
And I know Nic Cage doesn't scream Superman to anyone. just like Michael Keaton didn't scream Batman. Not saying it's the same case, but without seeing the movie it's easier (although it should be harder) to pass judgement.
Opinions of quality do not equate facts. That comes down to individual preferences, types, tastes. What you consider quality, awesome, appealing, exciting, interesting, relatable, funny, sexy, scary or emotionally moving isn't necessarily the same as what I respond to in those ways.
That doesn't make them disasters.
Your opinions and preferences aside, Superman II was financially successful and still has it's fans, which doesn't equate a disaster.
That doesn't make it a disaster.
If they would have let Tim Burton direct the film as he wanted then the focus would have been on story and art, and wouldn't have been on soullessly promoting toy sales and happy meals.
Clear as day, theMan-Bat would defend a Burton Superman and somehow claim that it's true to the original character created by Siegel and Shuster...
Come on fellas lets forget all the back and forth.
I want to know whats happening with the Superman Lives documentary
The two interviews that I want to see the most are Tim Burton and Nicolas Cage. Here's hoping he can get them. They're obviously the two most important to have.
Yeah definitely I think without them it would be pretty pointless and I think he'll definitely get Burton as he sounded really interested in it.
This is vaguely related by any of you hear about Mark Millar's treatment he proposed a few years ago about an epic trilogy detailing the birth and death of superman? Sounds very interesting but probably would have never been made.
I remember that. I would've killed to see that.
But they turned him down, and now he's Fox's Shared Universe guy (whether he actually does anything noteworthy though...), actively schilling them and recently (and foolishly) claiming DC's stable was 'outdated'. After they turned him down, he mentioned he'd love to adapt his trilogy into a series of thick OGN's. I guess that won't happen now, unfortunately.
Maybe someday he'll get to do that would certainly be interesting, regardless of what he's said about DC time heals all wounds and so does success.
I just saw these pictures.
I know you had talked about this but I have to say it:
I insisted so much when those pictures of Cage's head over a plastic toy were released that that and the early sketches weren't exactly what Superman was going to look in Superman Lives. But no, pretty much everyone bought and swallowed those fake pics at straight away.
It was obvious. Tim Burton would make a Superman suit the way he invented it and left to posterity: dark suit with muscles and a long cape.
That said, am I seeing the MOS's bracelets there?
Personally I love what we got in MOS. But I love this suit too.
Great suit, people.