Superman Returns Superman Returns CGI Talk

[C. Lee]

buggs.....CALM DOWN!!!!

Quit calling people names and being so upset.

You have your opinion on the pic....THEY CAN HAVE THIERS.

Discuss things without getting abusive.

 

[buggs0268]

I'll just call Cinefex and sony Image works.

Sorry. but he has doen this stuff before. I'll jsut get the verified facts.

 

[DorkyFresh]

where i work? that's for me to know and you to find out. i'd rather not disclose that information as it may put my job in jeopardy. plus, i like my anonymity too much...hehe.

 

[buggs0268]

My friend who works at compositing at sonyimageworks in the know says it is green screen and saw the shot being composited. The lady at Cinefex says it is digital double. I am going to eat crow and go with the cinefex people because it is their cover and say digital double, but my friend insists it is greenscreen. only reason I was adamant is because I asked my friend about it when I got the mag and he said it was green screen and on page 85 you see them shooting it. Still swears it is green screen and seeing the shot composited.

 

[Steelsheen]

i havent read the other posts yet so forgive me for jumping in....

the CG problems i had with this film are the CG Supermans specially anything that involves showing Superman's face. its just a dead giveway whn one frame contains the CG and the next frame shows Routh's real face.

 

[Steelsheen]

buggs.....CALM DOWN!!!!

Quit calling people names and being so upset.

You have your opinion on the pic....THEY CAN HAVE THIERS.

Discuss things without getting abusive.

Mod, did you get my PM?

 

[Metropolis_Man]

The opening title sequence. Too much cgi and too cartooney. The zoom out from the major city ofn Krypton city lookd bad too. I mean it really looks cgi. Remember when you first started seeing cgi in films and you knew it was cgi, like the last shot in Men in Black of the alines playing marbles with the universes. Like that. It goes around a planet really fast a few times that took what was grand in STM and makes it Looney Tooney. The same title effects shots looked better in STM then in this.

I have to disagree with you here. I enjoyed the opening credits and did not feel they were too cheesy or looney tooney. They looked really fantastic. I do agree that some of the shots during the film are noticably CGI but those spots still look fantastic compared to other uses of CGI, just my opinion.

 

[J.Howlett]

The cover image on the Cinefex magazine is a digital double of Brandon. I recently read the article and took a hard look at the cover and it's clear that it's a digital double.

It's all in the eyes and the skin. It's good. But you can tell.

And why did they choose Sony Pictures Imageworks over ILM or even Weta? Spider-Man 2's digital doubles are nowhere near as good as ILM's in Episode III or Weta's digital double work.

 

[Action ACE]

The CGI was great. Right where it should be by today's standards. Great film. Kid and all. I only wish it was a little brighter, sunnier perhaps.

 

[Gamma Ray]

The CGI in the film was okay. Nothing spectacular. It's always obvious when there's CGI in use, just like any other film.

 

[DorkyFresh]

And why did they choose Sony Pictures Imageworks over ILM or even Weta? Spider-Man 2's digital doubles are nowhere near as good as ILM's in Episode III or Weta's digital double work.

i guess they figured it worked for Spidey so it'll work for Supes...

...if i were in charge, Weta would be first on my list. maybe they went to Sony for budgeting reasons.

 

[buggs0268]

The cover image on the Cinefex magazine is a digital double of Brandon. I recently read the article and took a hard look at the cover and it's clear that it's a digital double.

It's all in the eyes and the skin. It's good. But you can tell.

And why did they choose Sony Pictures Imageworks over ILM or even Weta? Spider-Man 2's digital doubles are nowhere near as good as ILM's in Episode III or Weta's digital double work.

Well like I said. Friend at sony in compositing swears he saw it being composited and he remembers hearing for cinefx cover. Cinefex called me back and she said Don Shay specifically requested a Digital double shot. He even knew they would be getting calls and so he verified that this is the digital double shot. Again, friend swears it is green screen Brandon. Maybe they were preparing another shot before Don called for the digital double. Only reason I argued it is because my friend remembers the shot and them compositing it. Got to go down to cali and beat up my friend. So I am saying I am wrong and I am going to be on the next plane down to LA to kill my friend. only reason I was adamant in arguing it is I was taking the word of my friend who works at Sony.

 

[J.Howlett]

It's a digital double. No doubt about it....

 

[buggs0268]

It's a digital double. No doubt about it....

I am going to eat crow and go with that Cinefx says and agree it is a digital double and get a ticket to LA and hit my friend. Again, only reason why I was so adamant is because my friend who works at Sony says it is green screen.

 

[J.Howlett]

I understand your frustration. But, it's digital. The eyes and skin, as good as they are, are a dead giveaway.

 

[buggs0268]

I understand your frustration. But, it's digital. The eyes and skin, as good as they are, are a dead giveaway.

Well like I said. When I got this a week ago I talked to my friend about stuff and he said the cover was green screen and you can see the shooting it on page 85. who was I to argue with him?

 

[DorkyFresh]

digital or not, i'd still like to see the shots inside the magazine. i might just have to pick it up. are they new shots or have we seen them on the boards before?

 

[Mentok]

They need WETA onboard for the second film.

 

[buggs0268]

digital or not, i'd still like to see the shots inside the magazine. i might just have to pick it up. are they new shots or have we seen them on the boards before?

Don Shay said he specically asked for a digital double shot for the cover. Saw it. Even he questioned it so he called Sony to confirm they sent him a digital double shot as he knew he would get questioned over it being a digital double or not.. they confirmed it. You are right. I am happily publically stating here that I was wrong. I apologize for yelling at you and calling you names. It is digital double. Again the only reason I was adamant is becasue my friend at Sony swore it is a green screen shot. I need to go hit my friend.

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

its hard to replicate a human being in cgi; so i'm not going to complain about the digital actors.

i also don't care about the planets during the credits, but when they did the standard shots of the shuttle/airplane...ugh

that should be like CGI 101 for a company, and they botched it imo. its a freaking airplane; its not that hard to render/duplicate. it was too plastic looking. they should've used real shots of a plane section on green screen and/or a combination of blending and miniatures

 

[antariksh]

you know what it is not the sfx that suck but the camera used by bryan singer to shoot the movie which makes the sfx look absolutely FAKE and PLASTIC.

Hell F4 had much better SFX.

Btw spider-man 3 looks amazing and so will F4-2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lightning54SC]

this has to be said...... Routh is too stiff when flying... reeve brought life to flying with his body any stuff like hand movements... the way he moved and positioned his feet...routh seemed as if he was on a surf board the whole time

 

[Sarcasm]

The CGI looked bada$$....every bit of it. Some people can't be satisfied, but I have to ask those that didn't like the CGI: How would you have improved it? Hell, take an unlimited budget and your knowledge and tell me how to improve it? Seems logical that if those CGI houses that produced the effects could make them flawless they would; although, they came damn close....best fx I've ever freakin seen......done and done.

 

[J.Howlett]

Mentok

I haven't seen the film yet but either way, I've never been crazy about Sony Pictures Imageworks' work. They're good but they're not ILM or Weta good.

Those two companies are the only ones, in my opinion, that should even handle big effects films.

 

[Sarcasm]

this has to be said...... Routh is too stiff when flying... reeve brought life to flying with his body any stuff like hand movements... the way he moved and positioned his feet...routh seemed as if he was on a surf board the whole time

Couldn't disagree more. Routh's Supes was extremely fluid, graceful and strong.....exactly as Superman should be. Pick up any Supes comic......his flight movements are exactly as the movie depicted. They did a fantastic job!