Sequels Superman, The Dark Avenger? Not the Boyscout? ...& Other Issues why it's all a MESS

[TripXyDE]

Superman, The Dark Avenger? Not the Boyscout? ...& Other Issues why it's all a MESS

AND SO NEWS IS OUT, as you ALL KNOW...

kill the kid?

oh, hilarious.
AND THEN make a VENGEFUL Superman?
sure, sure.
make him more like Batman?
Oh c'mon!
That's like changing a significant aspect of the Superman mythos.

it's HIS SON!
This kind of trauma will just radically change the entire character of Superman.
There's a reason why SUperman is unique in a way that he is THE PURE BOYSCOUT among the rest of the heroes. That's coz he's never seen the kind of DARKNESS that has made characters like Batman, Punisher, & The Crow!

IN THE FIRST PLACE, The KID should NOT have been INTRODUCED!

So Singer plans to bring forth the LEXCORP idea to the Superman movie franchise (at last)...

BUT THEN AGAIN, Singer has not established Luthor as a "BRILLIANT Criminal Mastermind" As far as SR has established the only one victimized with Luthor's brilliant mind was a dying old lady. really now... what was so "brilliant" about that? Singer's Luthor's skills are not as impressive as the Luthor that the comics & the animation has made. THAT Luthor can render any superpowered foe useless using only his wits. Singer's Luthor sneaks in the Fortress OS & steal some kryptonite. big deal. as far as Singer's Luthor's skill level, it only goes equal to somebody like The Penguin. Yes, the villain in Superman Returns is just the Penguin.

Considering that he's already well-known to the public as Superman's foe, plus with the government obviously intending to put him behind bars for what he did in SR, how the hell can Luthor create LEXCORP?

anyway; for real...any idea how singer plans on explaining how lex gets lexcorp?

swingle outta some old hag? superman misses court again?

LOL, but serosously it would takes years to build a billion dollar corporation [especially for an ex con] it took modern age Lex years to.

 

[dark_b]

overreacting IMO

 

[dude stannis]

Superman, The Dark Avenger? Not the Boyscout? ...& Other Issues why it's all a MESS

AND SO NEWS IS OUT, as you ALL KNOW...

kill the kid?

The source guys, say he ain't dying.

oh, hilarious.
AND THEN make a VENGEFUL Superman?
sure, sure.
make him more like Batman?
Oh c'mon!
That's like changing a significant aspect of the Superman mythos.

You mean Superman hasn't gotten Jules Winnifield levels of vengeful before? Go read the comics please.

it's HIS SON!
This kind of trauma will just radically change the entire character of Superman.
There's a reason why SUperman is unique in a way that he is THE PURE BOYSCOUT among the rest of the heroes. That's coz he's never seen the kind of DARKNESS that has made characters like Batman, Punisher, & The Crow!

A: Source guys say the kid's not dying.
B: Even if he does die, most likely thing to happen is Superman beats seven shades of shyte out of the bad guy but stops himself from killing him. Giving a speech about not stooping don to the bad guy's level and whatnot.
C: It's a movie, meaning it's ok for the bad guy to die. Remember, Zod's dead baby, Zod's dead.

IN THE FIRST PLACE, The KID should NOT have been INTRODUCED!

Boo hoo.

So Singer plans to bring forth the LEXCORP idea to the Superman movie franchise (at last)...

Of which he planted the seeds, or crystals, in Returns.

BUT THEN AGAIN, Singer has not established Luthor as a "BRILLIANT Criminal Mastermind" As far as SR has established the only one victimized with Luthor's brilliant mind was a dying old lady. really now... what was so "brilliant" about that?

He made billions of dollars and there's nothing illegal about what he did. Leaving him rich and safe from the cops for the time being. If you had a choice between potentially getting arrested and doing life, or swindling some old lady out of her money to a: buy your freedom and b: make you a billionaire, you'd be an idiot not to swindle the old lady.

Singer's Luthor's skills are not as impressive as the Luthor that the comics & the animation has made. THAT Luthor can render any superpowered foe useless using only his wits. Singer's Luthor sneaks in the Fortress OS & steal some kryptonite. big deal.

He stole the technology of a highly advanced civilization. Besides how else can Luthor take down Superman., with a purple and green battle suit?

as far as Singer's Luthor's skill level, it only goes equal to somebody like The Penguin. Yes, the villain in Superman Returns is just the Penguin.

No, that's Batman Returns. Luthor is human, therefore he won't use his fist to fight Superman, he'll use his brain.

Considering that he's already well-known to the public as Superman's foe, plus with the government obviously intending to put him behind bars for what he did in SR, how the hell can Luthor create LEXCORP?

He's a billionaire and the government aren't intending to do anything to him, he's a free man.

overreacting IMO

Haha. Just a teensy bit.

Was there any point to starting this thread other than to rant? There's plenty of threads for this already.

 

[Angeloz]

Jules Winnifield?

Angeloz

 

[matthooper]

Singer trying to undo the mess he made will probably make the situation even worse. We'll go from a boring, tired melodramatic mess to a frenzied overloaded mess.

Possibly worse than Singer's Superman vision, is Singer's vision of what he thinks we want with the studio breathing down his neck every day on set. Plus, he can't really give us what he thinks the fans want because he's already started out on a path he can't undo entirely.


It's not an overraction, it seems like a fact. This is a mess.

 

[Angeloz]

Will it be a Darth Vader like breathing? And whose the Emperor that gets thrown down the hole? Al Gough?

Angeloz

 

[Justice Bringer]

I'll bold this so it sinks in.

All we were told is this could be Jason's last film. That does not necessarily mean he's dead. There are SO many possibilities of where his story could go.

The most likely scenario is what happens to him will be specifically tied to the story developments within MoS itself. Probably something we won't be able to guess offhand without knowing more about MOS and the villian.

 

[dark_b]

you know why it will be jasons last movie?

yeah this is funny....and you know it .

 

[I Am The Knight]

Was there any point to starting this thread other than to rant? There's plenty of threads for this already.

Second that.

 

[Angeloz]

People like ranting? Most shocking.

Angeloz

 

[dude stannis]

Jules Winnifield?

Angeloz

You will know his name is the lord when he lays his vengeance upon thee!

Singer trying to undo the mess he made will probably make the situation even worse. We'll go from a boring, tired melodramatic mess to a frenzied overloaded mess.

Possibly worse than Singer's Superman vision, is Singer's vision of what he thinks we want with the studio breathing down his neck every day on set. Plus, he can't really give us what he thinks the fans want because he's already started out on a path he can't undo entirely.


It's not an overraction, it seems like a fact. This is a mess.

A: You're basing this on the assumption that everyone hates SR. Please don't. Not everyone thinks SR was a mess.

B: Singer seems to have a good idea what the fans want. See X-Men 2. You didn't like it? Boo hoo. Fact is it's still one of the most popular comic book movies ever made.

C: It is an overreaction. For all we know Jason wont be in SR3 because it takes place on Apokalips, or however you spell it. If he's not dying it, it just means the 100% attention will be on Superman, regardless.

 

[Angeloz]

Still don't know who you're on about dude love. Is he a preacher? Also can you fix the other quote and mention who said it 'cos I don't hate the film.

Angeloz

 

[ktulu654]

Angeloz Jules Winnifield is the bad mother f***er in pulp fiction if you've never seen it do yourself a favor & watch it, its a great movie. & i agree not everyone hated SR

 

[Angeloz]

Thanks ktulu654.

Angeloz

 

[dude stannis]

Still don't know who you're on about dude love. Is he a preacher? Also can you fix the other quote and mention who said it 'cos I don't hate the film.

Angeloz

t: Ok, but only because you're so lovely.

Jules Winnifeild:

 

[Angeloz]

When "Pulp Fiction" was mentioned I wondered if it was Samuel L. Jackson's character. Thanks dude love.

Angeloz

 

[hammy]

Singer trying to undo the mess he made will probably make the situation even worse. We'll go from a boring, tired melodramatic mess to a frenzied overloaded mess.

Possibly worse than Singer's Superman vision, is Singer's vision of what he thinks we want with the studio breathing down his neck every day on set. Plus, he can't really give us what he thinks the fans want because he's already started out on a path he can't undo entirely.

Yeah, that's kind of what I'm thinking .. and dreading.

 

[nintendo nerd]

Superman, The Dark Avenger? Not the Boyscout? ...& Other Issues why it's all a MESS

AND SO NEWS IS OUT, as you ALL KNOW...

kill the kid?

oh, hilarious.
AND THEN make a VENGEFUL Superman?
sure, sure.
make him more like Batman?
Oh c'mon!
That's like changing a significant aspect of the Superman mythos.

it's HIS SON!
This kind of trauma will just radically change the entire character of Superman.
There's a reason why SUperman is unique in a way that he is THE PURE BOYSCOUT among the rest of the heroes. That's coz he's never seen the kind of DARKNESS that has made characters like Batman, Punisher, & The Crow!

IN THE FIRST PLACE, The KID should NOT have been INTRODUCED!

So Singer plans to bring forth the LEXCORP idea to the Superman movie franchise (at last)...

BUT THEN AGAIN, Singer has not established Luthor as a "BRILLIANT Criminal Mastermind" As far as SR has established the only one victimized with Luthor's brilliant mind was a dying old lady. really now... what was so "brilliant" about that? Singer's Luthor's skills are not as impressive as the Luthor that the comics & the animation has made. THAT Luthor can render any superpowered foe useless using only his wits. Singer's Luthor sneaks in the Fortress OS & steal some kryptonite. big deal. as far as Singer's Luthor's skill level, it only goes equal to somebody like The Penguin. Yes, the villain in Superman Returns is just the Penguin.

Considering that he's already well-known to the public as Superman's foe, plus with the government obviously intending to put him behind bars for what he did in SR, how the hell can Luthor create LEXCORP?

This post didn't deserve its own thread. Your opinion is not that important, you know?

 

[dude stannis]

Although, it has it's value, imagine if Christopher Walken read that aloud?

"it's HIS SON!"

"IN THE FIRST PLACE, The KID should NOT have been INTRODUCED!"

 

[merced]

Singer trying to undo the mess he made will probably make the situation even worse. We'll go from a boring, tired melodramatic mess to a frenzied overloaded mess.

Possibly worse than Singer's Superman vision, is Singer's vision of what he thinks we want with the studio breathing down his neck every day on set. Plus, he can't really give us what he thinks the fans want because he's already started out on a path he can't undo entirely.


It's not an overraction, it seems like a fact. This is a mess.

I agree. Going to all this trouble to undo SR means SR was premised incorrectly for the young male audience. The audience that makes this sort of film. Wouldn't it be easier to just start over?

 

[Spiderine]

Singer trying to undo the mess he made will probably make the situation even worse. We'll go from a boring, tired melodramatic mess to a frenzied overloaded mess.

Possibly worse than Singer's Superman vision, is Singer's vision of what he thinks we want with the studio breathing down his neck every day on set. Plus, he can't really give us what he thinks the fans want because he's already started out on a path he can't undo entirely.


It's not an overraction, it seems like a fact. This is a mess.

 

[dude stannis]

I agree. Going to all this trouble to undo SR means SR was premised incorrectly for the young male audience. The audience that makes this sort of film. Wouldn't it be easier to just start over?

Audiences don't care about Jason. They stopped giving a f--k in 2006. Just like they stopped giving a f--k about Spider-Man this year and they wont give a f--k about Batman come the end of 2008, until it's time for a sequel again. All they want to see is Superman beating up the bad guy, which is what MOS will feature. They're only reducing Jason so they don't have to keep calling the Whaaambulance.

 

[Mr. Sinister05]

Well, Lex is a villain solely dependent on Superman's inability to kill. Why doesn't SM just fly Lex up to earth's stratosphere and throw him at the planet like Miracleman did to Dr. Gargunza?

 

[dude stannis]

What do you think was going to happen if Lex didn't escape with his helicopter? This Superman is a movie character, he'll kill the bad guy if lives depend on it. It's cinema, the bad guy has to die.

 

[KrypJonian]

Awesome- I've noticed how the thread starter has not even responded to his initial post to defend himself.

Way to go