Sequels Superman Villain in Sequel

[miba2007]

OMG! Bizarro! Best action fights. That could cast Tom Welling as Bizarro! lol

 

[GarudA]

Please No More Luther

Darkseid Dammit

 

[Mr. Credible]

The day that Superboy and Supergirl are introduced in this franchise is the day that it dies and becomes just like the infamous Batman franchise.

Doomsday isn't really that great of a villain. He's just some dumb giant that's strong. The only thing he's famous for is the death of Superman. I don't think that storyline would translate well on screen. Having clones and Eradicator and all that junk...leave it on the comic book pages.

The last movie needs to be something epic and exciting. I don't think Darkseid will ever be introduced, nor do I think Apocalypse will be introduced in the X-Men films. Both characters, while amazingly cool, are a bit too far fetched.

Here's what I would do.

SUPERMAN: MAN OF STEEL

Villain- Metallo, Lex Luthor

SUPERMAN: LAST SON OF KRYPTON

Villain - Brainiac, Luthor (Lexiac possibly)

couldn't have said it better.

 

[Uncanny]

I would love Darkseid or Doomsday maybe for the 3rd film. Brainiac for the next one just makes the most sense to me.

I think you are right. Brainiac in the 2nd, then Darkseid or Doomsday for the 3nd.

 

[BobJM]

couldn't have said it better.

Always nice to have someone who agrees with you.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I think maybe they should ease off on Luthor in the sequel. Not necessarily omit him entirely because I loved Spacey's portrayal, but maybe ease off a bit.

Anyway, I think Brainiac is the best bet here, especially if they go the STAS/SV origin route and make him a product of Kryptonian technology. It fits well with the whole "I'm alone in the world" theme from SR, and it gives Supes a villain who is a threat to him physically.

I think the budget would be big enough that they could get away with being elaborate in the costume design for Brainiac, but if they wanted to cut back on the budget they could easily go the SV route - make him a living, sort of T-1000-ish computer, so they could get away with him looking completely human.

Plus, if you have both Lutor (in a smaller role) and Brainiac in the film, you have a nice set-up for a "Lexiac" story in the third film...

 

[Immortalfire]

Please No More Luther

Darkseid Dammit

Write bigger letters, I can't see these.

 

[GarudA]

Write bigger letters, I can't see these.

I recommend you get one of these

 

[SFII]

**** it. i say bring on the whole Legion of Doom !

 

[blind_fury]

Returns 2 - Darksied with Metallo sidestory

Reurns 3 - Brainiac summons Doomsday

 

[Jul-el]

Yeah ,I say bring on the Darkster!!!(Darkseid)

 

[BobJM]

Ok I just got the book "Superman Returns: Strange Visitor". While I originally thought it was like a junior novel, it's actually a prequel to the film about before Superman left for Krypton.

Here's a new idea.

LEX LUTHOR, recent CEO of his new coporate empire LexCorp, has begun to bankroll PROJECT CADMUS, a top secret organization with the sole purpose to prepare counter strikes against Superman should he ever turn on Earth.

DR. VALE, one of the top scientists, introducest he latest plan to several senators and military men of the U.S. government. He has created a metal skeleton made of a rara metal called "metallo". This being, powered by a kryptonite heart, will have the transferred mind of an individual: a former criminal, JOHN CORBEN. Vale believes that the only way to be truly prepared is if Superman lays 6 feet beneath them.

The second part of the plan is BIZARRO, a clone of Superman, created by a single strand of Superman's DNA from a bank robbery scene. This clone is still highly unstable, however, and has taken a ghoulish look. Vale says that there a teams across the world investigating crime scenes, searching for proper DNA samples.

Metallo will be used to destroy the man of steel, while Bizarro (or a better model with a better DNA sample to work off of) can replace Superman, under complete control of Lex Luthor. Screw the real estate plans, Lex wants some power.

During a meteor shower, LOIS LANE (in the middle of an interview in Cadmus' public quaters) takes shelter in the secret facility that lay underground. There she discovers the plans, but before anything can be done about it, SUPERMAN is there to save her and the injured scientists beneath the rubble.

Lex, already aware of JASON'S true father, sends Metallo after him while Bizarro is sent after Lois. The two are captured and it is up to Superman to save the both of them from their deadly captors.

 

[BULLITT]

Lex Luthor
+
Brainiac

 

[Kroc1138]

Of the Villains in the Poll the only ones that I would care to see are:
Darkseid
Brainiac (not based on the STAS version)
Gen Zod
Lex Luthor
Bizzaro

Other:
The Eradicator (if you want a Villain with a Krypton Connection)
Doomsday
Hank Henshaw (Cyborg)
Mongul

Personally, I really don't care to see and hope to God that Brainiac (if introduced in a later movie) is not like the one used in S:TAS or Smallville. I think there are other Villains out there with a Krypton Origin that can be used. I think that Superman Returns can set up the Eradicator. Brainiac should be more faithful to the comic Origins but be a mix of both PreCrisis Brainiac and Post Crisis.

 

[Sub-Zero]

i don't know, kroc. i'm a little sick of seeing kryptonian villains on screen. bring on some cool villains w/o krypton ties. Darksied and an alien invasion would be a great idea for a sequel. bizarro wouldn't succeed as a main villain. i think he's such a pos character. darksied and brainiac are the only ones i can see as main villains. with metallo, he'd be controlled by cadmus, luthor, or intergang. parasite has a chance to carry his own movie, but i really wish superman had better villains.

 

[cabel]

The kryptonite shard the doctors pulled out of Superman. His blood would be on it. Luthor gets a hold of that blood and use it to clone him. But the cells were damaged by the kryptonite radiation, resulting in an imperfect clone named Bizarro.

 

[Lobo]

Brainiac should be the villain for the sequel

 

[thorstone]

Brainiac, just say that out loud; and then realize how ridiculous it would be to hear it in a movie. I could invent a better villain.

 

[The Overlord]

Of the Villains in the Poll the only ones that I would care to see are:
Darkseid
Brainiac (not based on the STAS version)
Gen Zod
Lex Luthor
Bizzaro

Other:
The Eradicator (if you want a Villain with a Krypton Connection)
Doomsday
Hank Henshaw (Cyborg)
Mongul

Personally, I really don't care to see and hope to God that Brainiac (if introduced in a later movie) is not like the one used in S:TAS or Smallville. I think there are other Villains out there with a Krypton Origin that can be used. I think that Superman Returns can set up the Eradicator. Brainiac should be more faithful to the comic Origins but be a mix of both PreCrisis Brainiac and Post Crisis.

Your ideas are too convoluted, you have suggested in the past Brainiac should be a humanoid in one movie and a robot in another, that is stupid and confusing. He should be one or the other.

It might be hard to make him the main computer system of Krypton at this point, but I liked STAS. I say stick mainly with the late Pre crisis Brainiac (robot skull look), because Post crisis Brainiac sucks. Perhaps make him the main computer system of Colu, who decided to blow up its own planet, so that he can retain the planet's knowledge for itself. Then it repeats the process across the universe until it gets to Earth. Of the other villains of Kryptonian origin, Zod has been used already, so I want to see someone different and Doomsday is a crap villain, he is more of plot device than a character.

Also I don't like Hank Henshaw, I think he is another bad 90s cyborg villain, with an overtly convoluted origin, I think there a billion villains more interesting and less convoluted that lame 90s crap cyborg villain.

 

[The Overlord]

Brainiac, just say that out loud; and then realize how ridiculous it would be to hear it in a movie. I could invent a better villain.

He doesn't have to call himself Brainiac, he can be unit B-13 or something and the Daily Planet gives him the Brainiac nickname.

 

[Kroc1138]

Your ideas are too convoluted, you have suggested in the past Brainiac should be a humanoid in one movie and a robot in another, that is stupid and confusing. He should be one or the other.

Yeah Like you really completely know how my idea would work. It's an Idea that came from me spur of the moment when I was trying to think of a way to include Brainiac in a Superman Movie. As of now it's an ever evolving idea, but the fact is that I think a new concept for Brainiac should incorporate both aspects from both eras. (Pre and Post Crisis) If you can have Braniac be in Two Movies, then that concept could work just fine.

Why does everything have to be so black and white??

It might be hard to make him the main computer system of Krypton at this point, but I liked STAS.

To me the worst version out there. He was just a One Dimensional villain. His motivation is so overly simplistic and dull. Much Like the Borg on Star Trek. They both have goal that lead to an anti-Climactic end. That's juvenile writing at best.

I say stick mainly with the late Pre crisis Brainiac (robot skull look), because Post crisis Brainiac sucks. Perhaps make him the main computer system of Colu, who decided to blow up its own planet, so that he can retain the planet's knowledge for itself. Then it repeats the process across the universe until it gets to Earth.

Again STAS Brainiac had the stupidiest motivation ever. I'm going collect all knowledge in the unvierse and destroy it so that only I can posses this knowledge. That and the fact that there is no growth of character, b/c it's in his programming. Even Villains need some change and I think that Brainiac Has Potential to be a good Villain with some depth if handled well.

Of the other villains of Kryptonian origin, Zod has been used already, so I want to see someone different and Doomsday is a crap villain, he is more of plot device than a character.

To each his own

Also I don't like Hank Henshaw, I think he is another bad 90s cyborg villain, with an overtly convoluted origin, I think there a billion villains more interesting and less convoluted that lame 90s crap cyborg villain.

I disagree with your opinion on Henshaw, but there are ways to de-convolute his backstory. Thats wheat writers do when adapting comics. They think of a way to shorten an simplfy backstories.

 

[Kroc1138]

i don't know, kroc. i'm a little sick of seeing kryptonian villains on screen. bring on some cool villains w/o krypton ties. Darksied and an alien invasion would be a great idea for a sequel. bizarro wouldn't succeed as a main villain. i think he's such a pos character. darksied and brainiac are the only ones i can see as main villains. with metallo, he'd be controlled by cadmus, luthor, or intergang. parasite has a chance to carry his own movie, but i really wish superman had better villains.

Well I don't mind seeing Zod again. I think that there could have been something more added to his character. Watching Superman: The Movie made me think that there might have been a friendship that Both Zod and Jor-El had. There's something to go on.

The Eradicator makes for an interesting Villain too b/c he's not really a Villain and he has a connection to Kal-El since his Predecessor created him.

Bizzaro could be done if you ignore much of how he was portrayed in the comics. Since he was always portrayed as "Superman's ******ed Twin" which reeks of camp. They should just make him a bit more of a Villain in the traditional sense, but since he is Superman there is an inner conflict within him.

Metallo to me is just a one trick pony. Too one dimensional and uninteresting.

Parasite is a little better than Metallo, but is too small scale. It's my opinion that Super hero movie sequels should be grander than their predecessors.

Intergang could work in a small capacity.

Cadmus/Paul Wesfield would be another entity that would work well.

 

[The Overlord]

Yeah Like you really completely know how my idea would work. It's an Idea that came from me spur of the moment when I was trying to think of a way to include Brainiac in a Superman Movie. As of now it's an ever evolving idea, but the fact is that I think a new concept for Brainiac should incorporate both aspects from both eras. (Pre and Post Crisis) If you can have Braniac be in Two Movies, then that concept could work just fine.

Why does everything have to be so black and white??

To me the worst version out there. He was just a One Dimensional villain. His motivation is so overly simplistic and dull. Much Like the Borg on Star Trek. They both have goal that lead to an anti-Climactic end. That's juvenile writing at best.

Again STAS Brainiac had the stupidiest motivation ever. I'm going collect all knowledge in the unvierse and destroy it so that only I can posses this knowledge. That and the fact that there is no growth of character, b/c it's in his programming. Even Villains need some change and I think that Brainiac Has Potential to be a good Villain with some depth if handled well.

To each his own

I disagree with your opinion on Henshaw, but there are ways to de-convolute his backstory. Thats wheat writers do when adapting comics. They think of a way to shorten an simplfy backstories.

You explained that you wanted brainiac to be a robot in one movie and humanoid in another, have you changed your opinion on this, have you decided to stick with one version through out the whole movie series or what, because otherwise its convoluted. If you have an idea, bring it forward. The fact is Post crisis brainiac sucks, he was an alien that took over themind of a circus freak, how stupid is that? Even when you took away the circus freak, post crisis Brainiac was nothing more than generic alien conqueror, the poor man's Darkseid or Despero. The best version was the robot version, the late Pre crisis version, a living computer with a terrfying look, not some idiot in a golf shirt and bloomers and not a lame circus freak. Since the robot version is by the far the best, I must point out that a robot doesn't have character develop, because its a robot.

You don't like Brainiac's motive in STAS, pray tell what was his motive in the comics, to take over the universe? That's original. Brainiac being a robot with a single all compassing objective is far more interesting to me, than just another generic alien conqueror. Superman would have to face a foe who is unrentless and has to be destroyed to be stopped. That's way better than him being the poor man's Darkseid, another cheap alien conqueror.

The fact is Henshaw was just another lame extreme 90s villain, he was all flash and no substance, in my opinion. There are far more interesting villains out there, than another abortion from the 90s.

 

[The Overlord]

Well I don't mind seeing Zod again. I think that there could have been something more added to his character. Watching Superman: The Movie made me think that there might have been a friendship that Both Zod and Jor-El had. There's something to go on.

The Eradicator makes for an interesting Villain too b/c he's not really a Villain and he has a connection to Kal-El since his Predecessor created him.

Bizzaro could be done if you ignore much of how he was portrayed in the comics. Since he was always portrayed as "Superman's ******ed Twin" which reeks of camp. They should just make him a bit more of a Villain in the traditional sense, but since he is Superman there is an inner conflict within him.

Metallo to me is just a one trick pony. Too one dimensional and uninteresting.

Parasite is a little better than Metallo, but is too small scale. It's my opinion that Super hero movie sequels should be grander than their predecessors.

Intergang could work in a small capacity.

Cadmus/Paul Wesfield would be another entity that would work well.

Yes who needs new ideas, lets rip off superman II and use Zod again. No new ideas or villains need apply.

Edicator and Henshaw are products off lame 90s gimmick story telling, they both deserve never to be heard from again. At least Metallo isn't a 90s badboy.

Bizzaro, they already had Superman fight an evil clone in Superman III, I guess no new ideas should be brought in.

 

[Kroc1138]

You explained that you wanted brainiac to be a robot in one movie and humanoid in another, have you changed your opinion on this, have you decided to stick with one version through out the whole movie series or what, because otherwise its convoluted.

No I haven't decided whether or not Brainiac will handled one way or the other. Because I don't think that he should be one or the other. There is plenty of room for both.

If you have an idea, bring it forward. The fact is Post crisis brainiac sucks, he was an alien that took over themind of a circus freak, how stupid is that?

Not that Stupid but it wouldn't work in a Movie. Which is why Good writers take creative liberties when adapting comics. Which is the basis of you problem. You are assuming that I would directly take both versions of Brainiac without any change and copy and paste them on film. If you truly think that, then you must think I'm truly mad. I have my ideas, on how to adapt both on film, but it's far from finished, as I'll mention later.

Even when you took away the circus freak, post crisis Brainiac was nothing more than generic alien conqueror, the poor man's Darkseid or Despero.

Which is the General Problem with many Villains, they all have very one dimensional motivations. (That's not saying that it isn't a bad one) That's one of the problems I'm facing with my take on Brainiac. His Motivation to be a villain. (Revenge, World/Universal Domination, etc) The problem is that when too many villians have similar motivations it cheapens all of the Villains. My goal is a have a villain with some depth and also have some room for character growth and Development over a period of many films.

The best version was the robot version, the late Pre crisis version, a living computer with a terrfying look, not some idiot in a golf shirt and bloomers and not a lame circus freak. Since the robot version is by the far the best, I must point out that a robot doesn't have character develop, because its a robot.

I think you just shot yourself in the foot here. So it okay that a robot be one dimensional. That's another problem, why should a machine be limited to a simplistic nature?? That's what make machine Villains boring. (Example: the Borg) That's Why I liked the Eradicatorit started out with a Simplistic (but interesting) motive and over time saw the error in it's previous mentality. There was a change.

You don't like Brainiac's motive in STAS, pray tell what was his motive in the comics, to take over the universe? That's original.

Nope. There are other more interesting Motives than childish computer programming or megalomania. Which is what I'm thinking about at this moment. (for Brainiac)

Brainiac being a robot with a single all compassing objective is far more interesting to me, than just another generic alien conqueror. Superman would have to face a foe who is unrentless and has to be destroyed to be stopped. That's way better than him being the poor man's Darkseid, another cheap alien conqueror.

Well to be both are one and the same. Boring and overly simplistic. except that Megalomania works a bit better because historically it has worked in all mediums. It's something that Humanity at it's worst has done. (Rome, Nazi Germany) We as humans always demonize the evil as being megalomaniacal. Plus the motivation of Megalomania can be used in conjuction with other evils. (Ethnic Supremacy, Genocide, Religious Fundamentalism, etc.) Those topics are ones that can give some level of depth to megalomania. What the hell can you do with simplistic computer programming but do the same thing over and over again.

The fact is Henshaw was just another lame extreme 90s villain, he was all flash and no substance, in my opinion. There are far more interesting villains out there, than another abortion from the 90s.

Again, I enjoyed much of what came out if the 90's from Superman. Henshaw was an interesting villain who I think could have been better developed at certain points in his run at that time. He was far from terrible to me. I think they should have explained his insantiy further and how his hatred of Superman developed, instead of throwing him in for Superman to fight.