Sequels Superman Villain in Sequel

Villains for Sequel

  • Lex Luthor

  • Brainiac

  • Metallo

  • Parasite

  • General Zod

  • Phantom Zone Villains

  • Darkseid

  • Bizarro

  • Intergang

  • Other


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The Overlord said:
Yes who needs new ideas, lets rip off superman II and use Zod again. No new ideas or villains need apply. :rolleyes:
I'm not against using him. So what!?!? There's more that could be done with him to make him a deeper villain

Edicator and Henshaw are products off lame 90s gimmick story telling, they both deserve never to be heard from again.
Your opinion. There's a lot that can be done with both of them onscreen.

At least Metallo isn't a 90s badboy.
Maybe not. But he is a one trick pony. Look at me!! I'm a souped up Terminator with a Kryptonite power cell. Big deal!!

Bizzaro, they already had Superman fight an evil clone in Superman III, I guess no new ideas should be brought in.
Again there is plenty of potential for Bizzaro.

Your problem is that you think that the notion of bring any of those Villain onscreen would mean the writer would be copying and pasting what we see on the comics on film. (which could happen) A good writer would take those concept and make them his/her own.
 
Kroc1138 said:
No I haven't decided whether or not Brainiac will handled one way or the other. Because I don't think that he should be one or the other. There is plenty of room for both.

Not that Stupid but it wouldn't work in a Movie. Which is why Good writers take creative liberties when adapting comics. Which is the basis of you problem. You are assuming that I would directly take both versions of Brainiac without any change and copy and paste them on film. If you truly think that, then you must think I'm truly mad. I have my ideas, on how to adapt both on film, but it's far from finished, as I'll mention later.

Which is the General Problem with many Villains, they all have very one dimensional motivations. (That's not saying that it isn't a bad one) That's one of the problems I'm facing with my take on Brainiac. His Motivation to be a villain. (Revenge, World/Universal Domination, etc) The problem is that when too many villians have similar motivations it cheapens all of the Villains. My goal is a have a villain with some depth and also have some room for character growth and Development over a period of many films.

I think you just shot yourself in the foot here. So it okay that a robot be one dimensional. That's another problem, why should a machine be limited to a simplistic nature?? That's what make machine Villains boring. (Example: the Borg) That's Why I liked the Eradicatorit started out with a Simplistic (but interesting) motive and over time saw the error in it's previous mentality. There was a change.

Nope. There are other more interesting Motives than childish computer programming or megalomania. Which is what I'm thinking about at this moment. (for Brainiac)

Well to be both are one and the same. Boring and overly simplistic. except that Megalomania works a bit better because historically it has worked in all mediums. It's something that Humanity at it's worst has done. (Rome, Nazi Germany) We as humans always demonize the evil as being megalomaniacal. Plus the motivation of Megalomania can be used in conjuction with other evils. (Ethnic Supremacy, Genocide, Religious Fundamentalism, etc.) Those topics are ones that can give some level of depth to megalomania. What the hell can you do with simplistic computer programming but do the same thing over and over again.

Again, I enjoyed much of what came out if the 90's from Superman. Henshaw was an interesting villain who I think could have been better developed at certain points in his run at that time. He was far from terrible to me. I think they should have explained his insantiy further and how his hatred of Superman developed, instead of throwing him in for Superman to fight.

You can't just keep on saying you have beeter ideas on adapting these characters and not present, that's just been evasive and it doesn't present a good arguement, either present your ideas or stop mentioning them. Surely you can present an outline or something.

Brainiac does have to be either a robot or a humanoid, how in the world can be both? That is just silly. It is impossible for him to be two different species at the same time.

Now the problem with megloamniac and conquest as brainiac's goal is that they are Darkseid's goals. Darkseid is supposed to be space Hitler, not Brainiac. To make meglomania his goal, is to make him just a cheap Darkseid knock off. What's the point of having Darksied, if we are just going to have the poor man's Darkseid in first? Now if Brainiac's goal was destruction instead of conquest, that would be different from Darkseid. Brainiac instead enslaving planets, merely destroys them, Brainiac is not interested in slaves, merely completeing its mission. It is like a completely single minded fanatic, like some people in real life. That IMO, is far more interesting than a darkseid knock off. Now if you have better idea to develop Brainiac without making him a Darkseid knock off, I'm all ears.
 
Kroc1138 said:
Maybe not. But he is a one trick pony. Look at me!! I'm a souped up Terminator with a Kryptonite power cell. Big deal!!

yes and no. its easy to make comparisons between Metallo and the terminator because they're both cyborgs. But the thing that seperates one from the other the fact that while the terminator is a souless killing machine, Metallo is a person who is driven insane by the loss of his humanity
 
I don't care who the villain is as long as it's not Doomsday. I mean Superman JUST DIED and came back to life in this movie. Another movie where he dies and comes back to life is just overkill, especially when it happened in the movie right before. Well... I mean, he didn't exaaactly die, but he pretty much did. We don't need it to happen again in the next movie.
 
The Superman movie makers play it so damn safe all the time, they will probably use Lex Luthor again.

The question is "why can't they break away from Lex Luthor already?" He was almost broken away from in Superman 3, but Robert Vaugn was just a Lex Luthor rich businessman substitute.
 
cabel said:
yes and no. its easy to make comparisons between Metallo and the terminator because they're both cyborgs. But the thing that seperates one from the other the fact that while the terminator is a souless killing machine, Metallo is a person who is driven insane by the loss of his humanity
Someone's been watching too much S:TAS. Comic book Metallo was completely different than the animated version. He could feel and all he wanted was to hurt people and make a name for himself.
 
Luthor, having access to Kryptonian, Contacts Braniac and becomes obsessed with Braniac. Braniac should help Lex clone Superman and Bizarro (Pre-Deformation) should make it seem as though Superman and Lex are friends, Making Lexcorp's (Luthor's new arms manufacturer) sore. Luthor, having access to Kryptonian technology, and having his own Superman, Luthor seems, feels, invincible. Superman II deforms into bizarro.

Richard White should die in a plane crash or something that Bizarro caused. Superman has this huge epic battle with Bizarro in the middle of the movie and then finds out about braniac. He asks his father about Braniac and then Braniac tries to destroy the earth. Superman Stops him, and in the end, we find out Luthor has Richard's body, and now we get Metallo and Darkseid for the Sequal. Or Metallo and Doomsday.
 
Spike_x1 said:
Someone's been watching too much S:TAS. Comic book Metallo was completely different than the animated version. He could feel and all he wanted was to hurt people and make a name for himself.
I personally perfer the S:TAS Metallo to the comic Metallo. Just a deeper character IMO
 
Dini has a way of doing that with characters. I mean I'm sure most people would prefer the B:TAS Mr. Freeze making it to the big screen than the comic version.
 
Whatever I would like to see is limited by what Hollywood has done historically with the SM series. Four out of five movies have featured Lex Luthor as the ultimate Villain pulling strings in the background. Lex Luthor will be in at least one more sequel, but let us hope he eats Parker Posey's dog and her character Kitty Kowalski. I think there is a setup here for Richard to become a villain in either part two or three. Jason will either be threatened or kidnapped in part two by the villain and who even knows SM has a son? Lex Luthor does now. Part two will see the death of Lex Luthor at the hands of SM or Lois. Why? Because I am tired of Lex Luthor. The audience is tired of the same stupid, annoying Lex Luthor stunts. We get it, he hates SM. SR lacked the physicality and exploration of powers the first two SM had. A villain for part six needs to be physically challenging, seemingly invincible (no more Deus ex Machina moments please) and carry-over into the seventh movie and perhaps beyond. IDEA: Richard (who we all know has played a super hero himself in other movies - Cyclops) creates Bizzaro or himself becomes Brainiac. With the news of Jason being SM's son it gives him motive, drive, and purpose to hate SM for real. Luthor only hates SM because he spoils his plans. What about stealing who you thought was your son, your future wife, your dreams? That is what I want to see.
 
I forgot to mention: writers do not simply add characters out of the blue, each new character is important. Richard was not just added for PG effect. There is a purpose to him, we will yet see it.
 
GarudA said:
Please No More Luther

Oh, Thank you!!!!!!!!!! Lex Luthor is a great villain, but at theres been too much of him. He can be in the rest of the movies, but they shouldnt make him the main villan. Or, you know keep him on that island. I want my f***ing Brainiac.
 
The Overlord said:
You can't just keep on saying you have beeter ideas on adapting these characters and not present, that's just been evasive and it doesn't present a good arguement, either present your ideas or stop mentioning them. Surely you can present an outline or something.
When Have I said that I have better ideas? I've just been saying that one the whole that when adapting Superman on film that we should include both eras of his comicbook history insterad of adhering to one. As for my concepts those are just ideas that have recently come to mind based strictly on that mentality that I have on the issue. My Brainiac concept I conceived was one that I came up with in a rush. I actually didn't think that Brainiac would work in a movie, but since I wanted to be open minded, I came up with the idea that you mentioned. As of now it's still in it's infancy, but if you are open minded enough to accept a rough rendering of my Brainiac I'll PM you.

Brainiac does have to be either a robot or a humanoid, how in the world can be both? That is just silly. It is impossible for him to be two different species at the same time.
Not true at all. That's Why we have Pseudoscience. Comics and Sci-fi would be dull without it. Second, ever hear of reincarnation??
If Brainiac's Origin had him start out first as a Humaniod from Colu. His Race is a group of superintelligent very powerful telepathic Beings, Coluans. (I'm Thinking of a way of bringing in the Computer Tyrants) Vril Dox is the odd man out in this society and he is Either banished or sentenced to Die. Either or he loses tangibilty and he is able (Using Coluan Tech and telepathy) to create himself a new Body out of a machine. Eventually he has an encounter with Superman in space (during his exile)and they clash. The battles ends in Brainiac's defeat. Eventually, Brainiac is reincanated as Milton Fine. (Genius Scientist and Professor)
It can be done if Brainiac is Given two movies. Now as for his motivation That's something I'm working on.

Now the problem with megloamniac and conquest as brainiac's goal is that they are Darkseid's goals.
Well you are only partially right. The Problem is not just that it's Darkseid's MO, it that it is a lot of Supervillains motives. When too many Villains have the same MO, Supervillains become stale, cookie cutter cliches.

Darkseid is supposed to be space Hitler, not Brainiac. To make meglomania his goal, is to make him just a cheap Darkseid knock off. What's the point of having Darksied, if we are just going to have the poor man's Darkseid in first?
You do know that Darkseid isn't the first Supervillain to have megalomaniacal motives??

Now if Brainiac's goal was destruction instead of conquest, that would be different from Darkseid. Brainiac instead enslaving planets, merely destroys them, Brainiac is not interested in slaves, merely completeing its mission. It is like a completely single minded fanatic, like some people in real life. That IMO, is far more interesting than a darkseid knock off.
Unfotunately, you just ran into another Overused and even more Superficial Supervillain cliche. Universal Apocalypse. It works even less than Megalomania because there are many reasons why people want dominion over everything:
Ethnic Supremacy
More space
Religious Fundamentalism
Illusions of Omnipotence (Ego)
Or acheiving Omnipotence

There are very few reasons why Universal Apocalypse would be a good motive. There are only two GOOD reasons I can think of:
Suicidal/Genocidal hatred for all things living. (Lived a lousy life)
You wish to recreate Existence to your own liking. (thus achieving omnipotence)
To me a computer program that wishes to have an extensive Library of everything in the Universe (while destroying it) is lousy, stupid one Dimensional motive. I think they had an Episode of Futurama where there were being who has the exact same goal. You have all the info, so what?
Part of what makes a Villain interesting is thinking to yourself that if the Villain succedes, what will the World/Galaxy/Universe be like? What will be next? Thinking of Brainiac plan succeding is anticlimactic to say the least.

Now if you have better idea to develop Brainiac without making him a Darkseid knock off, I'm all ears.
Well to start, that wasn't my plan to begin with so you can drop the notion of assuming that I will go with that. As of Now It's Partially revenge and part Extreme Darwinist "Survival of the Fittest" mentality. It's a start.
 
cabel said:
yes and no. its easy to make comparisons between Metallo and the terminator because they're both cyborgs. But the thing that seperates one from the other the fact that while the terminator is a souless killing machine, Metallo is a person who is driven insane by the loss of his humanity
But that to me is still a boring character. Especially since STAS only covered that aspect once. Otherwise, They failed to follow up on that aspect of his character. Still I find Metallo to be a boring small scale Villain, plus I'm tire of seeing Kryptonite as a means of fighting Superman. He does have other countermeasures villains can capitalize on.
 
I think they all go along pretty well together, but also clash with one another. They all want more power, but that's also their weakness. Brainiac could use Lex Luthor's technology to power himself, but that means Lex could betray him and shut him down using his own technology. Also Parasite could be deadly to Lex by taking away his energy, and do you know how much energy he would get from Brainiac?! It would be better than a July 4th picnic to him.
 
Kroc1138 said:
When Have I said that I have better ideas? I've just been saying that one the whole that when adapting Superman on film that we should include both eras of his comicbook history insterad of adhering to one. As for my concepts those are just ideas that have recently come to mind based strictly on that mentality that I have on the issue. My Brainiac concept I conceived was one that I came up with in a rush. I actually didn't think that Brainiac would work in a movie, but since I wanted to be open minded, I came up with the idea that you mentioned. As of now it's still in it's infancy, but if you are open minded enough to accept a rough rendering of my Brainiac I'll PM you.

Not true at all. That's Why we have Pseudoscience. Comics and Sci-fi would be dull without it. Second, ever hear of reincarnation??
If Brainiac's Origin had him start out first as a Humaniod from Colu. His Race is a group of superintelligent very powerful telepathic Beings, Coluans. (I'm Thinking of a way of bringing in the Computer Tyrants) Vril Dox is the odd man out in this society and he is Either banished or sentenced to Die. Either or he loses tangibilty and he is able (Using Coluan Tech and telepathy) to create himself a new Body out of a machine. Eventually he has an encounter with Superman in space (during his exile)and they clash. The battles ends in Brainiac's defeat. Eventually, Brainiac is reincanated as Milton Fine. (Genius Scientist and Professor)
It can be done if Brainiac is Given two movies. Now as for his motivation That's something I'm working on.

Well you are only partially right. The Problem is not just that it's Darkseid's MO, it that it is a lot of Supervillains motives. When too many Villains have the same MO, Supervillains become stale, cookie cutter cliches.

You do know that Darkseid isn't the first Supervillain to have megalomaniacal motives??


Unfotunately, you just ran into another Overused and even more Superficial Supervillain cliche. Universal Apocalypse. It works even less than Megalomania because there are many reasons why people want dominion over everything:
Ethnic Supremacy
More space
Religious Fundamentalism
Illusions of Omnipotence (Ego)
Or acheiving Omnipotence

There are very few reasons why Universal Apocalypse would be a good motive. There are only two GOOD reasons I can think of:
Suicidal/Genocidal hatred for all things living. (Lived a lousy life)
You wish to recreate Existence to your own liking. (thus achieving omnipotence)
To me a computer program that wishes to have an extensive Library of everything in the Universe (while destroying it) is lousy, stupid one Dimensional motive. I think they had an Episode of Futurama where there were being who has the exact same goal. You have all the info, so what?
Part of what makes a Villain interesting is thinking to yourself that if the Villain succedes, what will the World/Galaxy/Universe be like? What will be next? Thinking of Brainiac plan succeding is anticlimactic to say the least.

Well to start, that wasn't my plan to begin with so you can drop the notion of assuming that I will go with that. As of Now It's Partially revenge and part Extreme Darwinist "Survival of the Fittest" mentality. It's a start.

I'm sorry but Brainiac starting off as an alien and then becomming a human is too convoluted to work on the screen, plus it ignores the robot brainiac, which is the best version of the character. Plus a little green man would look stupid and cheap on film, keep Brainiac as robot and give him his late Pre crisis look. Giving Brainiac two movies just makes things more convoluted and drawn out, Brainiac should be in one movie and should have one form, keep it simple or you will lose the audience.

As for Brainiac's motive, "Survival of the fittest" what is he ripping off Apocalypse now? Revenge, Brainiac was kicked out of Colu, why would he have a grudge against Superman? Fine maybe the knowledge thing is not needed, but Bainiac should be a robot and his goals should reflect that. Perhaps brainiac was once the central computer on the planet Colu, which had many of the same social ills we have, war, poverty, genocide, etc. Brainiac was tasked with a finding a solution, but everyone of his solutions ultimately fasiled, because the humanoid Coluians could not go of their greed and petty hatreds. Eventually Brainiac came to the conclusion that the Coluians were fundamanetally illogical and irrational and killed them all. Brainiac replaced with new robots that rebuit the planet and created a uptopia. Seeing how much better the robots were than humaniods at living together and building a better society Brainiac decided that organiac life may threaten his paradise, so he went to other planets, killed the organiacs there and replaced them with robots. Soon he decided to bring his style of order to the entire universe as well. If brainiac is trying to over the universe because he is another petty tyrant, how does that amke him any different from Darkseid?
 
The Overlord said:
I'm sorry but Brainiac starting off as an alien and then becomming a human is too convoluted to work on the screen, plus it ignores the robot brainiac, which is the best version of the character.
Really?? I don't see it that way at all. It's quite Simple. As for Robot Brainiac being the Best, I disagree. It'll just mean he's one dimensional and boring. Changing the characteristics of a villain may be something new or even a bit risky, but I think that it should be tried so that stay interesting.

Plus a little green man would look stupid and cheap on film, keep Brainiac as robot and give him his late Pre crisis look. Giving Brainiac two movies just makes things more convoluted and drawn out, Brainiac should be in one movie and should have one form, keep it simple or you will lose the audience.
Personally ever since I changed my mind on having Brainiac on film I thought that he should be perhaps the biggest Villain to be portrayed on film. (Granted, I think that Superman movies should have 6 installments) Even bigger than Darkseid. So to me, two films isn't much.


As for Brainiac's motive, "Survival of the fittest" what is he ripping off Apocalypse now?
Not really. I'm still thinking it out. Remember? It's not clear to me as to how it will be applied. But one thing I do know is that he has no superiority complex when he look at humans. (as most villains do) as for saying that it's a ripoff, most Villain motives are ripoffs to begin with. You can look at every villain in comics book history (form now until Doomsday) and see that it might be ripping off or is inspired by some other previous work. All work, no matter what, is in some way inspired, plagiarized or otherwise by previous works.

Revenge, Brainiac was kicked out of Colu, why would he have a grudge against Superman?
It goes with a Back story that I had. It involves Brainiac, ancient Krypton, Kem-L and the Eradicator. It goes a little something Like this: 200,000 years ago Krypton was a Planet that has been struggling to unify. (earlier in it's History there was a civil War) Some Believe that Krypton should Isolationists, Others wish to Explore the Universe and Others vow for Racial Supremacy.

Kem-L Created the Eradicator to maintain Kryptonian Supremacy and sought to conquer the Stars. As Krypton Sought to become more Civilized, Kem-L and His followers were forced to Leave.
Colu was a relatively peaceful Society, but was somewhat Xenophobic. Vril Dox was somewhat of an Outcast on Colu and His dealings with The Cleric were somewhat offputting to them. Granted they were both at odds with each other, there was a mutual respect that the both held for each other.

Basically: Kem-L and the Eradicator is responsible for the Destruction of Colu. Vril Dox, (despite being either Banished or put to death) works to fight off the Kryptonians and save his people. Thus he Loses his tangibility and inhabits a machine. The Cleric eventually ends the conflict and the Eradicator is Deactivated and kept in his possession.

That covers the backstory of him disliking Kryptonians, particularly Kal-Els predecessors. The Thing is Revenge not really one of his major Motivations at this time. Still thinking it over.

Fine maybe the knowledge thing is not needed, but Bainiac should be a robot and his goals should reflect that. Perhaps brainiac was once the central computer on the planet Colu, which had many of the same social ills we have, war, poverty, genocide, etc. Brainiac was tasked with a finding a solution, but everyone of his solutions ultimately fasiled, because the humanoid Coluians could not go of their greed and petty hatreds. Eventually Brainiac came to the conclusion that the Coluians were fundamanetally illogical and irrational and killed them all.
It sounds okay from here.

Brainiac replaced with new robots that rebuit the planet and created a uptopia. Seeing how much better the robots were than humaniods at living together and building a better society Brainiac decided that organiac life may threaten his paradise, so he went to other planets, killed the organiacs there and replaced them with robots. Soon he decided to bring his style of order to the entire universe as well.
This is were you completely lose me. (plus you contradicted yourself) This sounds too much like the Borg. (which is one of many reasons why I find the single-minded Robot routine boring to say the least) Second it's just too simplistic of a Villain origin. Brainiac needs more.

If brainiac is trying to over the universe because he is another petty tyrant, how does that amke him any different from Darkseid?
I'm not too sure what you are trying to say here, but I'm assuming that you are talking about my version of Brainiac being not that much different from Darkseid. As I see it he is very different in motivation and demeanor.

Again I can PM a more comprehensive take on my Brainiac.
 
Kroc1138 said:
Really?? I don't see it that way at all. It's quite Simple. As for Robot Brainiac being the Best, I disagree. It'll just mean he's one dimensional and boring. Changing the characteristics of a villain may be something new or even a bit risky, but I think that it should be tried so that stay interesting.


Personally ever since I changed my mind on having Brainiac on film I thought that he should be perhaps the biggest Villain to be portrayed on film. (Granted, I think that Superman movies should have 6 installments) Even bigger than Darkseid. So to me, two films isn't much.


Not really. I'm still thinking it out. Remember? It's not clear to me as to how it will be applied. But one thing I do know is that he has no superiority complex when he look at humans. (as most villains do) as for saying that it's a ripoff, most Villain motives are ripoffs to begin with. You can look at every villain in comics book history (form now until Doomsday) and see that it might be ripping off or is inspired by some other previous work. All work, no matter what, is in some way inspired, plagiarized or otherwise by previous works.

It goes with a Back story that I had. It involves Brainiac, ancient Krypton, Kem-L and the Eradicator. It goes a little something Like this: 200,000 years ago Krypton was a Planet that has been struggling to unify. (earlier in it's History there was a civil War) Some Believe that Krypton should Isolationists, Others wish to Explore the Universe and Others vow for Racial Supremacy.

Kem-L Created the Eradicator to maintain Kryptonian Supremacy and sought to conquer the Stars. As Krypton Sought to become more Civilized, Kem-L and His followers were forced to Leave.
Colu was a relatively peaceful Society, but was somewhat Xenophobic. Vril Dox was somewhat of an Outcast on Colu and His dealings with The Cleric were somewhat offputting to them. Granted they were both at odds with each other, there was a mutual respect that the both held for each other.

Basically: Kem-L and the Eradicator is responsible for the Destruction of Colu. Vril Dox, (despite being either Banished or put to death) works to fight off the Kryptonians and save his people. Thus he Loses his tangibility and inhabits a machine. The Cleric eventually ends the conflict and the Eradicator is Deactivated and kept in his possession.

That covers the backstory of him disliking Kryptonians, particularly Kal-Els predecessors. The Thing is Revenge not really one of his major Motivations at this time. Still thinking it over.

It sounds okay from here.

This is were you completely lose me. (plus you contradicted yourself) This sounds too much like the Borg. (which is one of many reasons why I find the single-minded Robot routine boring to say the least) Second it's just too simplistic of a Villain origin. Brainiac needs more.

I'm not too sure what you are trying to say here, but I'm assuming that you are talking about my version of Brainiac being not that much different from Darkseid. As I see it he is very different in motivation and demeanor.

Again I can PM a more comprehensive take on my Brainiac.

You don't like rehashs but your going back to the well with the revenge motive. Revenge was General Zod's motive in Superman II, revenge was Lex's motive SR. Having Brainiac as robot who is not intrerested in revenge makes him different than previous villains. Plus Brainiac's origin is kinda convoluted, since yellow sun enegry makes Kryptonians immortal (DC One Million), why isn't Kem-L still around, how did the Coluians destroy him. Also why did Kem-L destroy Colu, enslavement would have made more sense? This background story brings up too many questions. Besides if revenge is Brainiac motive, then why would be interested in earth itself at all, wouldn't he just kill Superman and then want to move on?

Personally I think making Brainiac a robot makes him different from the previous villains, Lex and Zod, who allowed their emotions to control them, to an extent. Brainiac would have no emotions, Brainiac is dictated by pure cold logic, as he sees it. Besides I think Brainiac could have character development, as an AI. He goes from trying to help the Coluans with their problems to deciding the Coluans themselves are the problem and have to be destroyed.

Also Brainiac has an angry green man would look stupid on the silver screen, Brainiac late post crisis look (skull headed robot) looks far cooler. Superman vs. robot Brainiac sets up an interesting dynamic heart and copmpansion vs. cold logic and ruthless intelligence. Plus I want Brainiac to kill Richard and?or Jason in the sequel. If superman kills the humaoid version of brainiac, it would be murder, not the case with a completely robotic version of Brainiac.
 
There are three villians I want to see.
Luthor again(you gotta have Luthor)
Brainiac
and Bizarro
Bizarro should be either brought from his world or created by Brainiac.
Brainiac should be formed by the crystals dropped by Kitty.
Bizarro should be formed from blood dropped by Superman on the landmass.
He should hunt down Lois and try to kill her, but say he loves her.
 
i'm reposting this from another thread in the SR forums:

given how the movie ends, there are several elements there where they can build the sequel plot on:

1.) New Krypton: the movie ends with it sitting in space. there could be elements that can develop from it: Brainiac or Bizarro. if you all notice NK is esentially the antithesis of the FOS, and Bizarro is also the antithesis of Superman, so it makes some sense if Bizarro was "born" of NK.

Brainiac can also come forth from NK but i like the version of Brainiac being a super-computer from Krypton itself. the JLU provided the perfect irony that the one "survivor" of Krytpon with all its knowledge and history in its memory banks would be the being that would try to vanquish Superman, or create a humanized version of itself via Superman's DNA and destroy the original.

2.) Lex Luthor: Lex was left on an island, the perfect ending to a man who tried to create his own continent. but the point is he's still alive. and theres something about Lex's diabolical intelligence that serves as a perfect foil to the Big Blue Boyscout (other also from the fact that Spacey is signed on for all 3 films). the end of SR will show to Lex that his intelligence coupled with Kryptonian technology isnt enough to rid him of Supes so it would make sense if he tried to create something that would: he needs some brawns that he can control. that would make use of Bizarro. he can also go on the intellectual route and try to make himself smarter: thus he can create a super-computer that will eventually become Brainiac. this can also pave way for the possible merging of Lex-Brainiac which can serve as a climax to film 2 or can be developed further in film 3.
 
SUPERMAN RETURNS
SUPERMAN:The Death of a Hero
SUPERMAN:Superman Lives

I know that I'm wasting my time by even dreaming about this but this is how I would do it. I loved the Death and Life of Superman when it played out in the comics. I just thought it was so powerful and emotional. We've obviously just had Superman Returns, so I'd have the next film tell the story of Doomsday and the death of Superman. End the film on the major cliffhanger of Superman being dead and all hope lost (kind of like Empire strikes back) and then have the third film about Superman coming back and evil having it's arse kicked (ala Return of the Jedi).
I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with me and that's fine, this is only my opinion after all. I just think that this story is so big that it should be played out over two films
 
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