Superman VS the Hulk

[Mad Bull]

Geekiest thread ever....wow

Yeah, who'd a have thought? What the hell is a geeky thread doing on a comicbook forum, anyway?

 

[Zeu]

What?
When was this?

Far as I know Supes hasnt been around for 1,000 years

Action Comics 761. The "notorious" Immortal Beloved story.

When both he and Diana return after 1,000 years in Valhalla, only a day has passed on earth.

 

[Fading]

How long do you thinkit would take Hulk to get "ultra pissed"? And he wouldn't have to be THAT mad to be stronger than supes anyways. All I gotta say is that for supes to even be close in this fight it better be in the desert for his sake. And besides eventually he would get tired, and Hulk wouldn't that's why Hulk would win right there!

I honestly don't know who would win, I think Hulk stands a good chance at winning, but I'm leaning towards Superman. Reason I quoted you tho is because I think your wrong on this. Superman has been listed as being able to lift pyramids and move planets. His "Base" strength is somewhere around 5,000 tons I believe, and possibly higher. Hulk's base is 100 tons, and even when enraged he doesn't always go way higher. Juggernaut has gotten matched strength with the Hulk before when Hulk was ticked, so Hulk probably doesn't go past 200 ton strength very often. It's writer inconsistency with him, one day he's moving astroids when he's only slightly ticked, next day a really angry Hulk is matching strength with guys like Abom (tho Hulk of course gets stronger). Hulk would have to be extremely angry IMO to match superman.

I say it depends on Superman. If he goes in for the kill, shoots his lazer's into Hulk's brain giving him a lobotamy, or goes in with 1000's of superspeed 5,000 ton strength punches before the Hulk can blink I think Superman takes it. If Supes underestimates the Hulk and doesn't go for the kill off the bat, and the battle prolongs, then it's in Hulk's favor. Technically Superman fighting at his full probably could get away with Hulk never touching him, Hulk's not even Spidey speed even tho he is fast, Spidey gets lapped around by Quicksilver and has to use brains to tag him and Quicksilver is around 300 MPH, Superman is near Flash speed kinda which is speed of light stuff. BTW I personally like Hulk more, but don't let favoritism blind who I think would win, I'd like to see Hulk victor, but I think Superman would win if he was serious.

Well, I know it's the Timverse cartoon and not comic cannon, but here's a good example of how Superman can fight IF he wasn't always holding back - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geKjvg0rI9c

 

[Cyrusbales]

Superman, he can breathe in space, I don't believe Hulk can, also superman is much faster, and has a long range attack, surely if he powered it up enough, he could blast Hulk off the planet? Also he could use his freeze breath

 

[Zeu]

Let´s not exagerate.

Nobody can breathe in space.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Let´s not exagerate.

Nobody can breathe in space.

OK, superman doesn't die in space, Hulk will, extreme cold has been known to screw up Hulk, so freeze breath, coupled with the cold vacuum of space=dead hulk

 

[Fading]

Personally I think it would be a cheap win, but if you count it as one Superman could always do what that android Superman did to Doomsday. He could quickly beat Hulk down, even if Hulk's still good to go, and then in the blink of an eye fly to some place with strong metal, come back and tie Hulk to a concrete slab with it, fly him in space and toss him in a path where he'll never touch a planet or star. Even if Hulk somehow developed an ability to breath in space it doesn't matter because he couldn't generate momentum to get off his current course, and would float in space until he died of starvation.

 

[Goldeneye]

Yeah, who'd a have thought? What the hell is a geeky thread doing on a comicbook forum, anyway?

Surely a new low..?

 

[yahman]

I honestly don't know who would win, I think Hulk stands a good chance at winning, but I'm leaning towards Superman. Reason I quoted you tho is because I think your wrong on this. Superman has been listed as being able to lift pyramids and move planets. His "Base" strength is somewhere around 5,000 tons I believe, and possibly higher. Hulk's base is 100 tons, and even when enraged he doesn't always go way higher. Juggernaut has gotten matched strength with the Hulk before when Hulk was ticked, so Hulk probably doesn't go past 200 ton strength very often. It's writer inconsistency with him, one day he's moving astroids when he's only slightly ticked, next day a really angry Hulk is matching strength with guys like Abom (tho Hulk of course gets stronger). Hulk would have to be extremely angry IMO to match superman.

I say it depends on Superman. If he goes in for the kill, shoots his lazer's into Hulk's brain giving him a lobotamy, or goes in with 1000's of superspeed 5,000 ton strength punches before the Hulk can blink I think Superman takes it. If Supes underestimates the Hulk and doesn't go for the kill off the bat, and the battle prolongs, then it's in Hulk's favor. Technically Superman fighting at his full probably could get away with Hulk never touching him, Hulk's not even Spidey speed even tho he is fast, Spidey gets lapped around by Quicksilver and has to use brains to tag him and Quicksilver is around 300 MPH, Superman is near Flash speed kinda which is speed of light stuff. BTW I personally like Hulk more, but don't let favoritism blind who I think would win, I'd like to see Hulk victor, but I think Superman would win if he was serious.

Well, I know it's the Timverse cartoon and not comic cannon, but here's a good example of how Superman can fight IF he wasn't always holding back - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geKjvg0rI9c

Mate the pyramids by themselves weigh over 6 million tons, the moon (Which Superman has helped move on three seperate ocassions) weighs literally quintillions of tons. Hulk during some of his best performances has struggled lifting mountains. There really isn't any comparisson between the two, especially when u consider Supermans other superior abilities.

 

[Zeu]

Such as speed.

At his absolute best, Hulk can move at mach speed (sound speed, roughly 300 meters/second).
Maybe twice that in his best showings.
Thrice that?

I´m still unimpressed.
Superman´s speed aproaches lightspeed (300,000,000 kilometers/second).

To better display the outlandish difference that exists between lightspeed and sound speed, ladies and gentlemen, for the first time in the Hype I will show my renowned Speed chart.

 

[Spike_x1]

Superman, he can breathe in space, I don't believe Hulk can, also superman is much faster, and has a long range attack, surely if he powered it up enough, he could blast Hulk off the planet? Also he could use his freeze breath

Superman can't breathe in space.

He can hold his breath for days (I thought that the Hulk could too), but he does need oxygen to survive.

 

[CBG]

Mongul trained Superman how to process oxygen more efficiently back in OWAW.

 

[Kenda Man]

Superman can't breathe in space.

He can hold his breath for days (I thought that the Hulk could too), but he does need oxygen to survive.

He can actually. It can be seen in JLA/JSA Virtue and Vice, when just Alan Scott and Superman are in space talking for a long time. Icicles are forming on Superman's hair and uniform, while nothing is happening to Alan Scott because he has an emerald flame he formed around himself.

I think a more awesome fight besides Superman and the hulk would be Superman vs. Black Adam!

 

[Spike_x1]

He can actually. It can be seen in JLA/JSA Virtue and Vice, when just Alan Scott and Superman are in space talking for a long time. Icicles are forming on Superman's hair and uniform, while nothing is happening to Alan Scott because he has an emerald flame he formed around himself.

I think a more awesome fight besides Superman and the hulk would be Superman vs. Black Adam!

The fact that icicles were forming on him has nothing to do with him being able to breathe or not.

And whenever a writer has Superman speaking to someone in space, it's usually just bad writing, because sound has to travel through air in order to be heard at all. So if they were actually verbally speaking to each other, then the best excuse I can think of is that perhaps Alan created the oxygen around them for the purposes of having a chat.

In the vacuum of space, unless Superman's talking to someone like Darkseid, Martian Manhunter, or someone else with telepathy, or a person who can otherwise pick up communicated thoughts by some other means, then science and common sense automatically go out the window and nothing can credibly be held up for either side of a debate with any amount of seriousness (at least for this particular topic).

Mongul trained Superman how to process oxygen more efficiently back in OWAW.

Processing oxygen, no matter how much more efficiently, still requires oxygen to process in the first place.

I haven't read that particular issue of the storyarc, so I don't know the extent of Superman's 'training,' but I do know that OWAW is an utterly horrible story to base an opinion of any character's abilities on. Darkseid, Superman, those members of the suicide squad; all of them were portrayed really out of tune compared to what they had been shown capable of up until that point. That's the main reason why that story is shunned by many Superman comic fans.

 

[juggster-rules]

 

[Sloth7d]

Rofl

 

[Cyrusbales]

Superman can't breathe in space.

He can hold his breath for days (I thought that the Hulk could too), but he does need oxygen to survive.

wel superman has been known to stay in space for weeks at a time, Hulk couldn't do that, and if he could, he'd eventually fall asleep, turn into banner, then die.

 

[Mad Bull]

Personally I think it would be a cheap win, but if you count it as one Superman could always do what that android Superman did to Doomsday. He could quickly beat Hulk down, even if Hulk's still good to go, and then in the blink of an eye fly to some place with strong metal, come back and tie Hulk to a concrete slab with it, fly him in space and toss him in a path where he'll never touch a planet or star. Even if Hulk somehow developed an ability to breath in space it doesn't matter because he couldn't generate momentum to get off his current course, and would float in space until he died of starvation.

Lol, I like this speculation. I think, though, that Hulk would eventually get angry enough (hence, strong enough) to break free. He can eat almost anything (which is why he's able to survive for so long in Hulk: The End) so he might be able to very well eat the slab he was tied to. Granted, he might still float eternally and eventually die, but it might buy him the time he needs to find a way to alter his trajectory somehow.


EDIT: That pic ^^^ is awesome, by the way,

 

[Mad Bull]

wel superman has been known to stay in space for weeks at a time, Hulk couldn't do that, and if he could, he'd eventually fall asleep, turn into banner, then die.

Wouldn't be so quick to doubt the Hulk there. There's a scan of Nick Fury and his team watching the Hulk doing something in space, and one of his men expresses concern over what would happen if Hulk's mask broke or something. Fury assured him that the Hulk could adapt to any environment, even a zero-atmosphere one.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Wouldn't be so quick to doubt the Hulk there. There's a scan of Nick Fury and his team watching the Hulk doing something in space, and one of his men expresses concern over what would happen if Hulk's mask broke or something. Fury assured him that the Hulk could adapt to any environment, even a zero-atmosphere one.

But if hulk was drifting in space, he'd get bored, as everyone knows hulk has a short attentiomn span, so he'd not be pissed, then turn in to banner and die, and being cold or suffocating would not make him pissed off, so he'd just die. Superman could probably just throw hulk into a black hole or something, or into a star.

 

[Mad Bull]

But if hulk was drifting in space, he'd get bored, as everyone knows hulk has a short attentiomn span, so he'd not be pissed, then turn in to banner and die, and being cold or suffocating would not make him pissed off, so he'd just die. Superman could probably just throw hulk into a black hole or something, or into a star.

That's assuming that being trapped in space wouldn't make him angry. And if I remember correctly, the Hulk won't let Banner die, because, of course, that would be the end of him, too. If anyone wants to confirm this, that would be great.

 

[Cyrusbales]

That's assuming that being trapped in space wouldn't make him angry. And if I remember correctly, the Hulk won't let Banner die, because, of course, that would be the end of him, too. If anyone wants to confirm this, that would be great.

Well after a few years of floating in space, he'd get bored, he doesn't have the greatest attention span in the universe! He couldn't stay angry for that long, and would have to sleep sometime....

 

[Mad Bull]

Well after a few years of floating in space, he'd get bored, he doesn't have the greatest attention span in the universe! He couldn't stay angry for that long, and would have to sleep sometime....

Heh, yeah, I know the Hulk has a short attention span. However, each time he transformed back into Banner, he would immediately start to die, prompting another transformation. Kinda like when Banner got shot (through the heart?), transformed, and was instantly healed. He'd have died if not for the Hulk.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Heh, yeah, I know the Hulk has a short attention span. However, each time he transformed back into Banner, he would immediately start to die, prompting another transformation. Kinda like when Banner got shot (through the heart?), transformed, and was instantly healed. He'd have died if not for the Hulk.

I can't see a way in which Hulk could actually beat superman, but superman can beat Hulk by throwing him into space indefinately.

 

[Mad Bull]

I can't see a way in which Hulk could actually beat superman, but superman can beat Hulk by throwing him into space indefinately.

As long as you concede that he wouldn't necessarily die from that, I'm happy. For now,