Superman VS the Hulk

[CBG]

His 'punching power' sent Wonder Woman from the sun to the Earth at FTL speed - just over a minute, from Wonder Woman #220, if I remember right.

 

[Sloth7d]

hulks invulnerability is incredible..

I don't even know if you can call what Hulk has invulnerability.
I just say he has good durability, since he can go from being cut by wolverine one second to surviving nova flames the next.

 

[ang_hulk]

I thought dc quit that sunlight making him stronger stuff.o well.in anycase,hulk shrugs off ice,would heal form any brain damaga(hes had his guts torn out and some of his brain and came back to fighting stance in a few minutes) and i know that if he was tossed to space hed have the force to shot superman back to earth and yes super man could run back and fourth getting air but what if hulk grabbed on to him? mabey hed vibrate his molecules to GET AWAY FROM HIM,yeah then go get air and so on but in this case hulk would get so mad about this that hed knock the life out of him.Speed,sure hes got that but keep in mind if he keeps landing blows eventully they wont matter and he will just be running around so hulk cant catch him and landing useless punchs and the minute he stops hulk will break his face.hulk cant stand being taunted.Hulks not as slow as youd think and eventully hed adapt to all this,kinda like doomsday,im betting on his eyes adapting to see people using super speed.Again,i dont go for him putting him on another planet and running and so on because thats a coward move,I do consider superman a coward but still it doesnt make it right.eventully speed wont count for much and superman doesnt have limitless energy like hulk does and hulk takes a hit alot better then super man so eventully hulk will crack his neck and arms and wait for him to sigh his last breath.

 

[Andy C.]

I don't even know where to begin on how completely and utterly wrong this is, but I feel obliged to give it a shot. Might as well just begin at the beginning.

I thought dc quit that sunlight making him stronger stuff.o well.

That's been the source of his power pretty much from the 50s-60s on (though they occasionally went back and forth between it being the alien environment and/or Kryptonians just naturally having superpowers) And I highly doubt they're going to change that, unless they make him go electric again.

in anycase,hulk shrugs off ice,would heal form any brain damaga(hes had his guts torn out and some of his brain and came back to fighting stance in a few minutes)

I'll buy that, since Hulk is no slouch. Still, it's not going to do him much good if he's knocked into space. Which brings us to....

and i know that if he was tossed to space hed have the force to shot superman back to earth

So what good does that do him? He's still careening through an endless vacuum with no air to breathe and no way to propel himself back to Earth ("swimming" through space would technically be impossible since there's nothing there for him to swim through...he'd just be paddling his arms uselessly) So even if he did manage to knock Supes back to Earth, all he'd be doing is giving the guy a fresh breath of air and a few more seconds for Hulk to suffocate until someone goes and gets him.

and yes super man could run back and fourth getting air but what if hulk grabbed on to him?

Oh, I dunno, perhaps use his own super-strength? Remember, you're talking about a guy who's known for moving planets with his bare hands. Even after the Post-Crisis power-down, he's done a few things of that nature. Oh, and Superman doesn't have to sit around for God knows how long getting angry about it. Being infinitely powerful doesn't mean squat if the guy you're facing has the kind of power rivalled only by a handful in his entire universe, and it's available right from the get-go.

mabey hed vibrate his molecules to GET AWAY FROM HIM,yeah then go get air and so on but in this case hulk would get so mad about this that hed knock the life out of him.

The whole "vibrating molecules" thing is more of the Flash's thing. And what exactly is Hulk going to do when he's so mad? Swat at the air while Superman is buzzing around him at virtually lightspeed?

Speed,sure hes got that but keep in mind if he keeps landing blows eventully they wont matter and he will just be running around so hulk cant catch him and landing useless punchs and the minute he stops hulk will break his face.

Sorry, but if Iron Man can KO Hulk with one punch, I highly doubt anything that Superman could dish out would be considered "useless." Again, planet-moving and such.

hulk cant stand being taunted.

Okay....? So what, Superman's going to stick his tongue out at him?

Hulks not as slow as youd think and eventully hed adapt to all this,kinda like doomsday,im betting on his eyes adapting to see people using super speed.

I don't recall Hulk ever having super-reflexes. If that were the case, then how come Spider-Man has still managed to give him trouble?

Again,i dont go for him putting him on another planet and running and so on because thats a coward move,I do consider superman a coward but still it doesnt make it right.

Yeah, Superman is a coward for being smart. Never mind the fact that 9 times out of 10 he's the one leading the charge against universe-threatening villains, and that's when he's not facing them down BY HIMSELF. Never mind the fact that he's stared down folks like Darkseid, who could very literally make him not exist with a glance. Clearly, using an easy solution to a problem that doesn't involve slugging it out with a guy who's only going to get tougher makes him a wuss and not just someone who can use common sense.

eventully speed wont count for much

Au contraire; speed is what is the most critical point that gives Superman the win. All he has to do is avoid "Hulk Smash" for long enough to get in a solid KO punch or (as mentioned before) knock him into space before Hulk gets the chance to get angry enough.

and superman doesnt have limitless energy like hulk does

Doesn't matter, if Hulk has to 'charge up' and Superman's power is right there from the start.

and hulk takes a hit alot better then super man

Superman: has survived Darkseid's Omega Beams on a few occasions (and I know I'm stirring up a hornets' nest by even mentioning that, but it's still damn impressive)
Hulk: got knocked out in one punch by a guy in a metal suit

so eventully hulk will crack his neck and arms and wait for him to sigh his last breath.

And then I will buy a container of salt and sprinkle it on all the places where hell just froze over.

 

[Sloth7d]

It pointless to argue with Hulk fans Andy. They pretty much think he can beat God. Your not going to convince him that the Hulk will lose this.

 

[Andy C.]

Sad but true. Still, if I'm going to be yelling at a proverbial brick wall, I'd at least like said wall to be well-constructed.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Hulk fanboys seem to have the ability to debate eternally based off arguments so illogical that they defy all comprehenssion.

 

[Nightwing]

Hulk fanboys seem to have the ability to debate eternally based off arguments so illogical that they defy all comprehenssion.

ha ha ha its true.....its so true

 

[CBG]

I may dare argue that this is on jplaya2023's level of fanboyism.

 

[Nightwing]

I may dare argue that this is on jplaya2023's level of fanboyism.

thats a bold statement....hope you have JPlaya's useless made up facts to back it up

 

[CBG]

Oh, I can remember plenty.

Though, jplaya2023 does. . . vary. In here, it seems the no-limit fallacy is employed to death, applied to Hulk's strength and adaptibility.

 

[ang_hulk]

I don't even know where to begin on how completely and utterly wrong this is, but I feel obliged to give it a shot. Might as well just begin at the beginning.



That's been the source of his power pretty much from the 50s-60s on (though they occasionally went back and forth between it being the alien environment and/or Kryptonians just naturally having superpowers) And I highly doubt they're going to change that, unless they make him go electric again.

that isnt waht i ment,dc for a moment said the more sun he gets the stronger he gets,that faded away for awhile atleast and i thought they quit saying that.




I'll buy that, since Hulk is no slouch. Still, it's not going to do him much good if he's knocked into space. Which brings us to....



So what good does that do him? He's still careening through an endless vacuum with no air to breathe and no way to propel himself back to Earth ("swimming" through space would technically be impossible since there's nothing there for him to swim through...he'd just be paddling his arms uselessly) So even if he did manage to knock Supes back to Earth, all he'd be doing is giving the guy a fresh breath of air and a few more seconds for Hulk to suffocate until someone goes and gets him.

Hulks done just that,he made his way back to earth just fine from space and it was grey hulk to boot.Hes alot weaker then savage and so on.Another thing,could hang on to him just as thor does his hammer.

Oh, I dunno, perhaps use his own super-strength? Remember, you're talking about a guy who's known for moving planets with his bare hands. Even after the Post-Crisis power-down, he's done a few things of that nature. Oh, and Superman doesn't have to sit around for God knows how long getting angry about it. Being infinitely powerful doesn't mean squat if the guy you're facing has the kind of power rivalled only by a handful in his entire universe, and it's available right from the get-go.

super strength.like the hulks? which is endless unlike supermans.You have to keep in mind that weve seen hulks strength match supermans and both marvel and dc agree with this.




The whole "vibrating molecules" thing is more of the Flash's thing. And what exactly is Hulk going to do when he's so mad? Swat at the air while Superman is buzzing around him at virtually lightspeed?

you mean running like a humming brid form a hungry cat....and yes hulk will continue to strike at him until he makes contact and again i think hed adapt to see speedsters.


Sorry, but if Iron Man can KO Hulk with one punch, I highly doubt anything that Superman could dish out would be considered "useless." Again, planet-moving and such.

he knocked him out,so did juggernaut,whos stronger?.There are circumstances to be considerd and i dont think it makes sense for iron man in that old armor to do it and in his new more advanced and stronger/faster armor to not make a scratch,again,circumstances are at play,the same one super man has to deal with.




Okay....? So what, Superman's going to stick his tongue out at him?

anyone who runs from hulk makes him alot angerier and running around him at super speed is taunting,he hated when spider man did it to.He also hates being tossed away,each time thats happend hes come back alot more angery and since he probably hates space alot more since being enslaved on a distant planet.You know how your adrenlin goes up after being shoved hard,well think about that with hulk only being shoved off the planet.



I don't recall Hulk ever having super-reflexes. If that were the case, then how come Spider-Man has still managed to give him trouble?

hes caught caps shield,thats the best example ive seen of his reflexses.Like i mentioned spider man jumps around him to avoid being hit but keep in mind thats a reflex to him and doesnt take any extra effort,his spider sense guides him just as it does when hes web slinging around crowded cities.


Yeah, Superman is a coward for being smart. Never mind the fact that 9 times out of 10 he's the one leading the charge against universe-threatening villains, and that's when he's not facing them down BY HIMSELF. Never mind the fact that he's stared down folks like Darkseid, who could very literally make him not exist with a glance. Clearly, using an easy solution to a problem that doesn't involve slugging it out with a guy who's only going to get tougher makes him a wuss and not just someone who can use common sense.

batman says hes a coward,says hes a good person and it makes him hold back and not do all he can,makes him second guess himself to.Hulk doesnt have this problem.Yes he may lead the battle but thats because he has to,im sure hed be just fine following anyone else.So hes stared down a guy who can make him not exsist? like dr strange,onslaught,thanos and so on?....o wait,hulk killed them.Hulk can use common sense but having a mind makes you weaker and eventully hes just a fighting machine,latly hes had alot more intelligence in savage mode and that continues to grow but whos needs brains when you can heal you entire upper body back from a hit some smart guy placed well.keep in mind im a huge fan of using your brains but hulks not going to do that if it means him being weaker then somone.



Au contraire; speed is what is the most critical point that gives Superman the win. All he has to do is avoid "Hulk Smash" for long enough to get in a solid KO punch or (as mentioned before) knock him into space before Hulk gets the chance to get angry enough.

but by him avoiding hulk gets stronger and more durable and it would take some time to do,superman tires,hulk doesnt.once superman landed that hit he make break his hand.again,knocking him into space is just a way for him to gain a major advantage and while thats not really that bad,its not an advantage he poses on his own like hulk does,hulks limitless and gets stronger and stronger,supes doesnt.

Doesn't matter, if Hulk has to 'charge up' and Superman's power is right there from the start.

yes and no,hulk can become maestro level in an instant.



Superman: has survived Darkseid's Omega Beams on a few occasions (and I know I'm stirring up a hornets' nest by even mentioning that, but it's still damn impressive)
Hulk: got knocked out in one punch by a guy in a metal suit


hummmm.Metal suit vs a 70 year old man in a strength suit that doesnt fly or had plasma blasters or any other cool gadjets..............ID defintly want to be knocked out by the guy in the iron man suit then the old man in the strength suit.



And then I will buy a container of salt and sprinkle it on all the places where hell just froze over.

not so fast,it hasnt started but its good to be pre pared.

 

[Zeu]

"-Hi, I am the Hulk. I can lift 100 tons."
"- Hi. I´m SUperman. I can lift 140,000 tons."
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"- Hey, could you wait a moment? I´m sure I can lift 140,000 tons too if I get reallly-really-really, I mean REALLY mad."
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."- Sure, go ahead. I can wait, I brought my PS3.."

 

[ang_hulk]

hulk didnt have to get mad to handle 100 billion tons but it helped and again,hes gone toe to toe with him without being enraged.

 

[The Leaguer]

The Hulk likes to have his toenails painted.

 

[CBG]

Green?

 

[The Leaguer]

Pink.

 

[CBG]

Good taste.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I am not saying that I think Hulk would beat Superman but strength wise you guys realise that class 100 in Marvel sense does not mean only a 100 tons. It just means that it is above 100 and therefore no point it being quantified.

To give you a non-Hulk example, you see Wonderman, who is class 95, lift about 10,000 tons.

Of course, I do not think it will be strength that would determine the outcome of this particular battle.

 

[Mad Bull]

Who's Who in the DC Universe published in the mid 80's said at the time of the reboot that Superman could easily lift the Great Pyramid which is several million tons. That was before the gradual increase in power that Superman has had. At that time Superman couldn't dream of getting anywhere near the speed of light. He almost passed out when the Superboy of the pocket dimension towed him to the speed of light and entered the time barrier. So now he is a lot more powerful than he was at the time of the reboot. Supermans strength was at the time of the reboot somewhere near 100,000x the Hulks base strength. Punching power is magnified to an insane degree by super speed and you get a difference in punching power that is ridiculous to even compare.

Lol, what a bastard Superman is.

 

[Mad Bull]

Man, ang, you're not doing us Hulk fans any favors...

 

[Kitsune]

His 'punching power' sent Wonder Woman from the sun to the Earth at FTL speed - just over a minute, from Wonder Woman #220, if I remember right.

You realize this is ****** physics. No matter how hard you hit someone, they won't go faster than light. This rates right up there with "Arctic Breath" working in space.

 

[Mad Bull]

You realize this is ****** physics. No matter how hard you hit someone, they won't go faster than light. This rates right up there with "Arctic Breath" working in space.

Lol,

 

[Zeu]

The punch back to earth is overrated, the writer himself explained that the artist made a mistake in that issue. The fight wasn´t supposed to go anywhere near the sun, they went as far as Venus at the most.

 

[ang_hulk]

Man, ang, you're not doing us Hulk fans any favors...

Im the only one saying that the supers fans are right in some cases,at this point im just saying what wouldent work,ice breat,heat vision and so on.I also dont count him moving hulk around unless he goes with him and that just as hulk can be knocked into space superman can be buried away from the sun which is why id rather neither of those things happend during the battle,beyond that,superman buzzing around avoiding hits is running as far as im concerned,if he "faced down darksied" why cant he do the same to hulk and again hulk doesnt get tired,superman does.

I want to mention that superman by nature doesnt want to kill or even hurt somone,hulk is the exact oppisite and that is a major advantage.Superman isnt used to getting beat on everyday,hulk is and that is an advantage.

to madbull why because i dont use good grammer? I want to point out that in a different thread id be angry at your statement.