Superman's power level

[GreenKToo]

I've always wanted to see some of the fights from the animated series brought to life. Like when one gets punched while they're fighting in the air, he gets knocked through several highrises before stopping.

 

[elgaz]

Yeah, the Neo/Smith final fight was pretty good, despite the over-reliance on CGi.

It still succeeded to convey a pretty good idea of what a fight between two 'superpowered' beings capable of flight would be like. I particularly loved the constant rain in that fight, and when they punch each other the shockwave displaces a huge amount of rainwater. Not to mention the craters from their crash to earth, damage to the city around them, etc.

I'd really love to see a full-on fight in Metropolis (as opposed to some abandoned desert or mountain area) between Zod and Superman. It's much easier to relate to the consequences of a super-powered fight in city environment like that than a huge open area. The problem then is that Superman is always going to hold back because of collateral damage to humans. Unless they evacuate part of the city.............................

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

I've always wanted to see some of the fights from the animated series brought to life. Like when one gets punched while they're fighting in the air, he gets knocked through several highrises before stopping.

Oh how I would absolutely LOVE to see a fight like this in live action. What an EPIC fight that would be!.....

[YT]KIWle6pVv1w[/YT]

Can you imagine seeing that?! I think that would be the first time that I will have actually stood up, in the theater, and started a slow clap.

 

[GreenKToo]

Oh how I would absolutely LOVE to see a fight like this in live action. What an EPIC fight that would be!.....

[YT]KIWle6pVv1w[/YT]

I'm not exaggerating when I say I would literally stand and applaud if we got anything remotely similar to that.

EDIT: we are thinking the same lol.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

I'm not exaggerating when I say I would literally stand and applaud if we got anything remotely similar to that.

Not only was the fight epic, but the dialogue is outstanding as well. Gives me chills every time I watch that clip.

 

[GreenKToo]

Yup, love that scene...
Something else I wanna see, heatvision at full blast that LOOKS like heatvision.
Maybe have Zod unleash his on supes, there is a blinding flash of red, and everything around supes is literally melted, ie, cars, streets, signs, etc. Supes would be smoking and staggered from the blast, but ok afterwards.

 

[elgaz]

Oh how I would absolutely LOVE to see a fight like this in live action. What an EPIC fight that would be!.....

[YT]KIWle6pVv1w[/YT]

Can you imagine seeing that?! I think that would be the first time that I will have actually stood up, in the theater, and started a slow clap.

I must have seen that scene 30 times since it first hit Youtube, never get tired of it. Something like that in MOS would be epic.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

Yup, love that scene...
Something else I wanna see, heatvision at full blast that LOOKS like heatvision.
Maybe have Zod unleash his on supes, there is a blinding flash of red, and everything around supes is literally melted, ie, cars, streets, signs, etc. Supes would be smoking and staggered from the blast, but ok afterwards.

Kind of like what they did in Superman II, when Supes reflected Zod's heatvision back on him? The screen turned red and then everything, except Zod, was charred. I also would love to see that done with today's technology, but a LOT more destructive and melted, like you said.

 

[afan]

Not applying laws of physics to that particular scene (Lifting of NK.) has nothing to do with how the Superman's power level was shown and how the airplane rescue scene was shown. Two scenes are different from each other.

The fact that he could (at least theoretically) lift a landmass of that size gives some indication of how powerful Superman is in the movie, putting aside lack of logical inconsistencies and plot hoes in the script.

OK.....If you are saying that the ability to lift an island into orbit is where Superman's power level should be.......fine, but your original post was that the film, not just one scene, got the depiction of Superman's powers correct. Also I don't see how if you are arguing "the film" we can divorce Green K from that particular scene (as it was integral to the film) and arrive at a decisive conclusion as to the power level in SR.
Again I am disagreeing with the statement that the film got Superman's powers right.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

For once, I would just LOVE to see Supes get PISSED and just go off on Zod and company. I think it would be cool to have a section of Smallville or Metropolis evacuated (or do their best to evacuate) because of the showdown that is getting ready to occur. Then they just let loose and not hold anything back at all!

 

[Dr.]

...as to the power level in SR.
Again I am disagreeing with the statement that the film got Superman's powers right.

I think SR got Supes' power level right (obviously, that's a subjective opinion). But SR was a tad inconsistent with the physics. The 777 scene seemed okay. But raising a huge island by one tiny point was problematic.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I think the power level is wrong. Superman should not be able to lift a billion tons of Kryptonite hundreds of miles and fall to Earth and survive.

The whole point of Kryptonite is that it weakens him. A small piece eg like what Metallo would use puts him down to early GA levels and more depowers him completely, and prolonged exposure should kill him.

 

[afan]

I think SR got Supes' power level right (obviously, that's a subjective opinion). But SR was a tad inconsistent with the physics. The 777 scene seemed okay. But raising a huge island by one tiny point was problematic.

Are you also removing Green K as a factor to consider?

 

[The Morningstar]

That whole scene was incredibly stupid.

 

[Dr.]

Are you also removing Green K as a factor to consider?

Yep. That's an issue of internal continuity for SR. Take away the kryptonite and the basic question is: should Supes be strong enough to hoist something that massive? If the answer is yes, then SR got the power level right.

 

[afan]

Yep. That's an issue of internal continuity for SR. Take away the kryptonite and the basic question is: should Supes be strong enough to hoist something that massive? If the answer is yes, then SR got the power level right.

Can one then disregard the whole thing with Lois, and argue that SR got Superman's strength of character right?

 

[Dr.]

Can one then disregard the whole thing with Lois, and argue that SR got Superman's strength of character right?

"Strength of character" is a bit more ambiguous than "how many tons can Supes lift?" Still, it's an interesting question... maybe pose it in the SR forum.

Chatting about Supes' "power level," it's useful to cite examples from movies, cartoons, etc. Maybe someone thinks a particular detail was handled quite well in Superman IV or Supergirl. But that doesn't meant that the films (in their entirety) are being endorsed or praised.

 

[afan]

"Strength of character" is a bit more ambiguous than "how many tons can Supes lift?" Still, it's an interesting question... maybe pose it in the SR forum.

Chatting about Supes' "power level," it's useful to cite examples from movies, cartoons, etc. Maybe someone thinks a particular detail was handled quite well in Superman IV or Supergirl. But that doesn't meant that the films (in their entirety) are being endorsed or praised.

Point well taken.....

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

I personally believe that scene of Supes lifting the NK island wasn't necessarily about his physical power level. In fact, I would argue that it showed his compassion and his sense of urgency to get rid of it. I think he felt that he had to do something about it because Earth would ultimately suffer the same fate as Krypton if he had done nothing about it. Not that the Earth would explode, but how it would have consumed the Earth and all/most of it's inhabitants. He was willing to sacrifice himself, for the people of Earth, so that billions would not suffer and die. To me, that scene alone showed his strength of character more than the physical aspect, although that was a huge part of it obviously.

 

[elgaz]

That scene always causes a lot of arguing about whether Superman was really capable of lifting NK or not, what with the amount of Kryptonite on it.

In fairness, they never portrayed it as an easy task for him. He was obviously under great duress while lifting it (strained, sweating, etc) and this was after charging his powers in sunlight for a while. And it pretty much took everything he had to release it into space, at which he point he fell unconscious before falling back to Earth. So I would agree that he made this monumental effort and it was as much about willpower as about his physical strength.

By comparison, he wasn't necessarily that stretched by the aeroplane save. Sure, he had trouble actually getting a solid grip on the plane due to it's sheer size, but once he did he was able to set it down relatively gently and then float round to the door without looking like he broke a sweat at all.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Superman had to gradually decelerate the airplane, as stopping it abruptly mid air would collapse its structure killing all the passengers. He first had to slow down the descent and then had to stop it.


Here he was lifting the NK but I have already said in my previous post that the way Kryptonite affects Superman as shown in SR should not be used in MOS, as there were certain inconsistencies there.

Exactly, to suddenly stop it would snap the neck of every person on board and collapse the plane into Superman, the way he saved the plane in SR was the ONLY way he could logically do it.

And, as others have said, taking out the green K factor (I personally think the K was diluted as the crystals took on the property of both the land and kryptonite, and it still took everything Superman had, but thats another argument) lifting the island/city is about the level I want for Supes for MOS, maybe even a bit more, but about that level is perfect when removing the kryptonite factor.

 

[Godzilla2014]

So are we at a point where we're saying Superman's powers in this film should be dictated - to some degree - by how they can fit in with real world physics?

I'd agree with this notion - and when I posted the thread, I did touch upon how things like flying at 600mph through a city couldn't be done for the air disturbance it would cause, etc.

I wonder if Snyder is subscribing to a similar plan in terms of how he is approaching Superman's powers?

But then again - as ideal as realism is - this is still a film about an alien with God-like powers and strength. We want to be impressed. We want to be awed, and blown away. I don't want to walk out of the theater with the sense that they held back a bit.

I agree. Keep in mind that the budget can only go so far to portray Superman's power level.

 

[Kurosawa]

That scene always causes a lot of arguing about whether Superman was really capable of lifting NK or not, what with the amount of Kryptonite on it.

In fairness, they never portrayed it as an easy task for him. He was obviously under great duress while lifting it (strained, sweating, etc) and this was after charging his powers in sunlight for a while. And it pretty much took everything he had to release it into space, at which he point he fell unconscious before falling back to Earth. So I would agree that he made this monumental effort and it was as much about willpower as about his physical strength.

By comparison, he wasn't necessarily that stretched by the aeroplane save. Sure, he had trouble actually getting a solid grip on the plane due to it's sheer size, but once he did he was able to set it down relatively gently and then float round to the door without looking like he broke a sweat at all.

Anyone who has an issue with the NK scene is wrong, that is questioning if it is within the scope of his powers. Now everything else about the scene and how it ended up there, sure, that was all pretty stupid. But a guy who can move planets at will at normal strength should be able to move a continent when greatly weakened. The other issue with the continent holding together, etc, is a different matter altogether as comic book physics and real life physics are not one and the same. As long as it isn't Hercules towing Manhattan, you just gotta suspend your disbelief.

Although I don't like how low-powered Supes was in the Timmverse, I do love the fights from the JL/JLU series, the Darkseid battle and the Captain Marvel battles especially. Fun to see Supes using the 'ol double-axe handle on Darkesid-that was one of his signature moves in Swan's comics. That and he loved grabbing people by the leg and chucking them into the sky (people who could take it, obviously).

 

[Godzilla2014]

Anyone who has an issue with the NK scene is wrong, that is questioning if it is within the scope of his powers. Now everything else about the scene and how it ended up there, sure, that was all pretty stupid. But a guy who can move planets at will at normal strength should be able to move a continent when greatly weakened. The other issue with the continent holding together, etc, is a different matter altogether as comic book physics and real life physics are not one and the same. As long as it isn't Hercules towing Manhattan, you just gotta suspend your disbelief.

Although I don't like how low-powered Supes was in the Timmverse, I do love the fights from the JL/JLU series, the Darkseid battle and the Captain Marvel battles especially. Fun to see Supes using the 'ol double-axe handle on Darkesid-that was one of his signature moves in Swan's comics. That and he loved grabbing people by the leg and chucking them into the sky (people who could take it, obviously).

The problem with the New Krypton scene is that it kind of makes Kryptonite irrelevant as a weakness. I mean, how could the likes of Lex Luthor stand against a Superman who can move continents in spite of dying from Kryptonite poisoning.

 

[The Morningstar]

So Herc towing Manhatten is bad. Superman moving planets around is ok?