Surtur's Role

That all sounds good to me!

 

I doubt Surtur is part of T:TDW. The description seems to contradict that in almost every way possible.
Besides, why should they include a villain as one-dimensional as Surtur whe the awesomeness that is Malekith is already involved? That would be a very bad idea.

 

What is this in reference to: [FONT=&quot]Faced with an enemy that even Odin and Asgard cannot withstand[/FONT]. Who are the enemies that fit this bill? Only a handful and one them is Surtur. Notice how it says Odin and Asgard not just Odin. I think any (or close to) any enemy of of Asgard or other Odin can face alone, so why the Asgard? Surtur would be one that would take Odin and a good portion of Asgard to take especially if he has the Twilight Sword.

 

Surtur is certainly not older than the universe itself. He's no creature from the shadowd. Whatever this description describes. It is not Surtur.

 

Are you sure they are the same. First it says the enemy that predates the Universe, then it talks about Malekith's army and then it says an enemy that Odin/Asgard cannot withstand. If they were the same why separate them wit Malekith and his army. Maybe the shadowy enemy means and enemy in the background pulling the strings such as a cosmic being and still have room for Surtur as the enemy.

 

The "shadowy enemy that predates the universe itself" is definitely not Surtur. There's really only one or two options from the comic book that would fit that description, and they're pretty left field: The Dweller in Darkness, and The Beyonder. Either is a possibility, due to crossing paths with Thor in the comics, but it seems unnecessary to start adding extraneous characters to the plot.

Instead, I'd be willing to bet that the "shadowy figure" is, of course, Thanos; since the next line reads: "In the aftermath of Marvel’s “Thor” and “Marvel’s The Avengers,” Thor fights to restore order across the cosmos." The seeds to Thanos' involvement with Thor and Asgard were already planted in those two movies. Apparently, they'll retcon Thanos' age to make him more ancient than he is in the books, but that may not be such a bad thing.

As for Surtur: the inclusion of Malekith and Kurse clearly point towards Simonson's Twilight Sword saga, in which the Dark Elves' fate is intimately tied with the Fire Giant. I'm sure Surtur will have at least a cameo at the end as a setup to Thor 3, and possibly even be the Big Boss Battle for the end of Thor 2.

I think TDW will show Thanos as the force behind the Marauders invading Asgard at the beginning of the movie; that his attack is just a ruse to distract the Asgardians from Thanos' true intent of stealing the Infinity Gauntlet (back) from Odin's Treasury; that the movie proceeds from there to deal with Malekith and Kurse as the bulk of the movie; and that the end will feature Surtur rising to become the teaser Big Bad for Thor 3.

 

Cherokeesam I didn't say that. I said that the enemy that Odin and Asgard cannot withstand is Surtur. We don't know if the 2 are the same or different enemies.

 

Pretty sure the synopsis indicates different enemies. In stages.

Marvel’s “Thor: The Dark World” continues the big-screen adventures of Thor, the Mighty Avenger, as he battles to save Earth and all the Nine Realms from a shadowy enemy that predates the universe itself. In the aftermath of Marvel’s “Thor” and “Marvel’s The Avengers,” Thor fights to restore order across the cosmos:(Thanos, as set up in The Avengers and Thor movies)

but an ancient race led by the vengeful Malekith returns to plunge the universe back into darkness: (Malekith, obviously, with Kurse and the Dark Elves)

Faced with an enemy that even Odin and Asgard cannot withstand, Thor must embark on his most perilous and personal journey yet, one that will reunite him with Jane Foster and force him to sacrifice everything to save us all: (Surtur, since Simonson's storyline pointed to him. Odin and Asgard can *certainly* withstand Malekith and Kurse, so it's not just them.)

 

Yes, they could retcon Surtur's age to predate the universe as well. The Eternal Flame he uses to light the Twilight Sword is supposed to be at least as old as "the dawn of time," and Surtur was around for that (Odin stole the Flame from him way back then). And wasn't the Eternal Flame supposedly one of the treasures shown in Odin's Treasury in the Thor deleted scene....?

So yeah, it could work. But if so, you're *definitely* looking at a MUCH larger role for Surtur in this film than just a cameo or setup for Thor 3....he's likely *The* Big Bad of the movie.

 

I don't get, wouldn't the synopsis reveal the villains for the movie not for setup in future movies.

 

It might be useful to review the official synopsis for Thor1, which was released about 1 year prior to the movie's opening (a similar interval to that for the synopsis for T:TDW that we are currently discussing relative to that movie's scheduled release):

"Paramount Pictures and Marvel Entertainment present the epic adventure, 'Thor,' which spans the Marvel Universe from present day Earth to the realm of Asgard. At the center of the story is the mighty Thor (Chris Hemsworth), a powerful but arrogant warrior whose reckless actions reignite an ancient war. Thor is cast down to Earth by his father Odin (Anthony Hopkins) and is forced to live among humans. A beautiful, young scientist, Jane Foster (Natalie Portman), has a profound effect on Thor, as she ultimately becomes his first love. It’s while here on Earth that Thor learns what it takes to be a true hero when the most dangerous villain of his world sends the darkest forces of Asgard to invade Earth."

(Reference: http://screenrant.com/official-thor-plot-synopsis-story-rob-47726/)

Loki is villainous, evil even, and the Destroyer was a threat to Earth. But we probably could make credible cases that Loki is not the *most dangerous* villain of either Asgard or the Nine Realms (depending on how you define "his [Thor's] world") and the Destroyer probably is not the *darkest* force of Asgard.

So we probably shouldn't put too much weight on any of the particular descriptors; at least some of them probably are there to make the movie sound more exciting.

 

Agreed on all counts, some people take these descriptions far too literally.

 

You've got a point there.

 

Yeah, I think that's basically what will happen in this film. With lots of big fights that (hopefully) everyone will be pleased with.

 

Like in the Thor synopsis there was no mention of the Destroyer, but it played a role in the movie. Maybe Kurse could have a Destroyer type role. I really hope not I want a Hulk vs Abomination^10 battle.

 

Same here

I want there to be lots of destruction like ground breaking slams and blows that send each other flying.

 

Slams like the one at 2:22 secs, maybe even bigger.

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