Dark Phoenix Switching one future with another

[Mutant 77]

Well,
I would love to open a fun discussion about my beloved X-Men movies without having to deal with the usual movie bashing. Hopefully...

Given the fact Marvel and even Hugh Jackman confirmed that "Logan" is an alternate dimension (as well as "Deadpool", "Legion" and "The Gifted") and thus the X-Men movie franchise is a multiverse, not an universe...
So the positive ending of "Days of Future Past" is the definitive happy end of the entire franchise.

Well, it looks like the 2023's "apocalyptic" future of "Days of Future Past" was just a Mad Max-ish world where all continents had been ravaged by the Sentinels, which killed either mutants and humans...? It seems so. Actually, we're never told if that destruction involves the entire planet or just few countries (America, China).

On the other hand, when Wolverine altered the past in 1973, he jump-started a new timeline. In this timeline:

1- En Sabah Nur/Apocalypse was awaken in 1983. Yeah, he shut all nuclear missiles off forever in the space (great thing), but he also managed to destroy some coastlines (San Francisco) using Magneto as "Horseman". Granted, we don't know the real extent of the damage that Magneto caused, but I think people managed to escape from the coastlines in time.
Also, Apocalypse wiped out Cairo from the surface of planet. Totally.

2- We don't know if Jean Grey/Dark Phoenix in the upcoming DP movie will destroy some city or some place; on the other hand, the X-Men will prevent an alien invasion set to conquer our planet.
Also, for 9 years they helped humanity as famous superheroes in the public eye. They saved tons of people and cities in the process, I guess.


In conclusion, has the new timeline been a bless or a curse for human race?

 

[carpenter82]

Nothing we've seen in the new timeline has been as bad as the post apocalyptic future of DOFP. So I'd say it's a blessing.

Also, according to James Mangold Logan does take place within the same timeline. "Don’t think @RealHughJackman said that exactly. Simple fact. We take place in 2029, 5 yrs past anything depicted in XMEN film… and “slightly different” causes an uproar? Everyone should breathe and focus on important things."

Although personally I love the ending of DOFP so much that I'd rather look at Logan as a standalone film.

 

[Mutant 77]

Well, I did it. I'm very pleased now.

I modified my timelines and inserted "LOGAN" in the Original Timeline a.k.a. Timeline Prime Alpha.

So, "Logan" is a follow-up of "X-Men Origins: Wolverine", "X-Men", "X2" and "X-Men: The Last Stand". It works nicely this way.

Decades after the events of "Logan" (2029), Sebastian Shaw (Kevin Bacon) traveled back in 1912 and started altering the timeline, thus creating the "First Class Franchise" we all know and love.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Although personally I love the ending of DOFP so much that I'd rather look at Logan as a standalone film.

Ditto. I loved the way DoFP ended. There are enough things (that have been debated/dissected sooo many times ) that (for me, at least) point to Logan being an alternate future. I have absolutely no problem with that

 

[C. Lee]

The main thing about any franchise is....YOU determine what movies fits into it. Many people dislike XMEN LAST STAND. If you don't ever watch it again when you rewatch the X movies....then it basically doesn't exist and doesn't effect the series (especially since DoFP corrects it's missteps). LOGAN can be in the main movie timeline or an alternate universe.....how you watch it doesn't hurt other people.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

The main thing about any franchise is....YOU determine what movies fits into it. Many people dislike XMEN LAST STAND. If you don't ever watch it again when you rewatch the X movies....then it basically doesn't exist and doesn't effect the series (especially since DoFP corrects it's missteps). LOGAN can be in the main movie timeline or an alternate universe.....how you watch it doesn't hurt other people.

Completely agree. I quite like TLS. Origins: Wolverine is the one that doesn't exist for me (I know I'm not alone in that! ).

 

[C. Lee]

It's like in the HIGHLANDER movie franchise. I know that 99% of the fans totally ignore the second film....and around 50% ignore the third film (100% ignore the fifth)....so it's basically a 2 film franchise to them.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

It's like in the HIGHLANDER movie franchise. I know that 99% of the fans totally ignore the second film....and around 50% ignore the third film (100% ignore the fifth)....so it's basically a 2 film franchise to them.

Huh, TIL!

 

[C. Lee]

Huh, TIL!

I don't understand that.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I don't understand that.

Oh, 'today I learned'!

 

[C. Lee]

Oh, 'today I learned'!

Well....TIL too then.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Well....TIL too then.

 

[Mutant 77]

Completely agree. I quite like TLS. Origins: Wolverine is the one that doesn't exist for me (I know I'm not alone in that! ).

Even if I like Origins, I must say that you can always pretend that the flashbacks from X2 are Wolverine's Weapon X definitive memories.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Even if I like Origins, I must say that you can always pretend that the flashbacks from X2 are Wolverine's Weapon X definitive memories.

That works for me!

 

[Mutant 77]

That works for me!

You can pretend that the original timeline was made of:

X-Men - 2004
X2 - 2004
The Last Stand - 2005
Logan - 2029

You already get Weapon X flashbacks in X2, the same ones used in Timeline 3 (DOFP)

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

You can pretend that the original timeline was made of:

X-Men - 2004
X2 - 2004
The Last Stand - 2005
Logan - 2029

You already get Weapon X flashbacks in X2, the same ones used in Timeline 3 (DOFP)

That's interesting... I can't recall anything in Logan that would cause any problem there

What do you think of this... Someone suggested a while ago an abbreviated X-Men story arc of

FC
X-Men
X2
DoFP

... saying that it gives the X-Men a 'happy ending'. When I first saw it I thought it worked quite well. I still quite like it, but after thinking about it some more I realised that in DoFP's 'happy ending' Logan is surprised to see Scott and Jean alive. Okay, Jean apparently died in X2, so he would be surprised that she was alive, but Scott died in TLS, so if TLS is missed out Logan shouldn't be surprised he's alive. What do you think? Are there any other contradictions? It's the only one I could think of.

 

[Mutant 77]

but Scott died in TLS, so if TLS is missed out Logan shouldn't be surprised he's alive. What do you think? Are there any other contradictions? It's the only one I could think of.

Well, if you want to discard "The Last Stand", you can pretend that Scott Summers/Cyclops was killed by the Sentinels some/long time before 2023.

Problem is that DOFP shows the Phoenix flashback memory...

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Well, if you want to discard "The Last Stand", you can pretend that Scott Summers/Cyclops was killed by the Sentinels some/long time before 2023.

I guess you could rationalise it that way.

Problem is that DOFP shows the Phoenix flashback memory...

I'd forgotten that. I remember the flashbacks in The Wolverine.

 

[Mutant 77]

I'd forgotten that. I remember the flashbacks in The Wolverine.

Maybe it was a dream...? He dreamed to kill Jean? Why not...

 

[Mr. Peanut]

I don't think that TLS is anywhere near bad enough to warrant excluding it, given how heavily referenced it is in TW and how important it is for feeling the full satisfaction of DoFP's ending. It was a mediocre film, but the payoff in DoFP makes it worth it.

X1
X2
X3
TW
FC
DoFP
Logan


That's all you need.

 

[dax]

Well,
I would love to open a fun discussion about my beloved X-Men movies without having to deal with the usual movie bashing. Hopefully...

Given the fact Marvel and even Hugh Jackman confirmed that "Logan" is an alternate dimension (as well as "Deadpool", "Legion" and "The Gifted") and thus the X-Men movie franchise is a multiverse, not an universe...
So the positive ending of "Days of Future Past" is the definitive happy end of the entire franchise.

Well, it looks like the 2023's "apocalyptic" future of "Days of Future Past" was just a Mad Max-ish world where all continents had been ravaged by the Sentinels, which killed either mutants and humans...? It seems so. Actually, we're never told if that destruction involves the entire planet or just few countries (America, China).

On the other hand, when Wolverine altered the past in 1973, he jump-started a new timeline. In this timeline:

1- En Sabah Nur/Apocalypse was awaken in 1983. Yeah, he shut all nuclear missiles off forever in the space (great thing), but he also managed to destroy some coastlines (San Francisco) using Magneto as "Horseman". Granted, we don't know the real extent of the damage that Magneto caused, but I think people managed to escape from the coastlines in time.
Also, Apocalypse wiped out Cairo from the surface of planet. Totally.

2- We don't know if Jean Grey/Dark Phoenix in the upcoming DP movie will destroy some city or some place; on the other hand, the X-Men will prevent an alien invasion set to conquer our planet.
Also, for 9 years they helped humanity as famous superheroes in the public eye. They saved tons of people and cities in the process, I guess.


In conclusion, has the new timeline been a bless or a curse for human race?

Few problems with Logan being in a alternate dimension is that:

1. The ending of X-men: Apocalypse sets up Logan when scientists collect a vial of Wolverine's blood which is how both Laura and X-24 were created.

2. One of the soldiers Wolverine kills in Apocalypse is Dr. Xander Rice's father.

3. Director James Mangold confirmed that Logan is set after the ending of Days of Future Past.