Infinity War Team line-up after "Infinity War"

[Iron_Stark]

Yep, look at the Fast and Furious franchise, everyone thought the franchise was done when they replaced the main lead characters, especially Vin. Then they brought them back and turned it into one of the most successful franchises ever.

And I don't know how many times it's going to be said, but Disney is NOT going to be killing off any of the main players.

 

[MbJ]

I could see the line-up altering with other people being removed or replaced. I'm sure Black Panther and Captain Marvel will be joining, but the extent of the change people keep suggesting is what will not be happening. Altering the team line-up? Sure. They already did it by adding three new characters in the second movie and made it clear they'll do so again.

But if anyone truly believes they will kill or retire all of them and introduce an entirely new team with nobody from the first movie? I've got some beach front property in Oklahoma to sell you.

 

[ernesth100]

If Marvel can successfully pull off a shrinking superhero and a team with a talking tree and raccoon and a show about a character as absolutely obscure as Jessica Jones(obscure to the GA atleast).

They can probably pull off an Avengers film without the pass MCU players. However in all honesty I'm expecting hero film hype to die out after 2020. Also expecting recasts. Because 1. Contracts dont last forever, 2. Looks dont last forever...unless you're Morgan Freeman or Partick Stewart.

 

[Mike5575]

I could see the line-up altering with other people being removed or replaced. I'm sure Black Panther and Captain Marvel will be joining, but the extent of the change people keep suggesting is what will not be happening. Altering the team line-up? Sure. They already did it by adding three new characters in the second movie and made it clear they'll do so again.

But if anyone truly believes they will kill or retire all of them and introduce an entirely new team with nobody from the first movie? I've got some beach front property in Oklahoma to sell you.

My main issue, is how will Marvel be able to juggle so many characters in phase 4? It's doubtful that every Avengers movie will be split into two films. So, between Cap and Iron Man getting 50 minutes of screen time and Widow getting 30, that leaves scraps for about 10 or 12 heroes. I can deal with Cap and Iron Man sticking around, but some people are arguing that NONE of the Avengers will be replaced. Then there's also the issue of Cap and Iron Man dominating future Avengers films as well. The only way out of this are recasts. Then, there is also the issue of Marvel claiming to raise the stakes throughout Civil War and Infinity War. The Russos said people would be "shocked." Will anyone be shocked to see Vision killed by Thanos, or if Rhodey, Falcon(or any other non-core Avenger) gets axed? That's why I think AT LEAST one of the original six isn't going to make it through Infinity War.

I think Marvel could do without Hulk, Thor, and Hawkeye. Hulk just wants to be left alone, Thor has to rebuild Asgard, and Hawkeye dies. People keep saying that Tony and Steve will stick around, but I see them sticking around as mentors or support characters to the new Avengers, especially Stark. He's had PTSD since Avengers 1. After Infinity War, he's going to want to throw in the towel.

 

[meanmc]

@ 4thWallBreaker

Thanks for adding "a new team". Hope we see some more...

And yeah, i wanted to know the team AFTER "IW 2", because it seems, that we see ALL heroes fighting in "IW 1+2" (so it does not matter, who is an Avenger after "Civil War" - in my view), and it is more interesting, who will be an Avenger thereafter.
Of course is it tough to say, as we have so many unknown informations - therefore i made a "two-parter".
What is your wish and what is - in your opinion - likey...

Of course, phase 4 - if we also see there some new faces - can bring again a change in the line-up. But i think it is save to say, that phase 4 will not bring as many new "single heroes" as phase 3 does. With all the sequals to "Doctor Strange", "Ant-Man" (?), "Captain Marvel", "Black Panther", "Inhumans", "Avengers", "Spiderman", "Guardians of the Galaxy" - besides possible Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America, Thor or some "other various team-ups" (maybe "Illuminati" with Black Panther, Blackbolt, Iron Man and Doctor Stange, maybe "Fantastic Four") movies - phase 4 is already packed.

I think, there will be at least 7 sequals. And i do not think, that we see more than 10 movies in this phase.

But we will surely see a team at the end of "IW 2", and that is my question. The Avengers will be still there, but who is an Avenger "at the end of"/after "IW 2".

 

[meanmc]

And because of the discussion about "the old members have to be replaced".

There is a german website, where you can vote for your favorite Marvel character.
http://www.gamona.de/tv-serien/marv...ter-im:voting,2492698,screenshot-2492702.html

Maybe some of you know some more sites like this?!

Maybe not the best indicator, but look at the top 20:

1. Iron Man
2. Wolverine
3. Thor
4. Hulk
5. Spiderman
6. Magneto
7. Deadpool
8. Mystique
9. Professor X
10. Loki
11. Venom
12. Rocket Raccon
13. "various" (f. e. Vision)
14. Groot
15. Nick Fury
16. Star Lord
17. Black Widow
18. Rogue
19. Silver Surfer
20. Captain America

Besides Captain America - strange, that he is just at number 20 - all others are in the top 4! So there is a demand... and still will be in the future.

 

[ernesth100]

This is gonna sound raciat. But of course Cap is #20 on a German Website.

 

[Mike5575]

Captain America likes to beat up Germans. No wonder he's so far down the list. Germans also used to worship trees, or at least consider them sacred. Hence, the whole Tree of The world thing. Maybe this explains why Groot is on the list. Here is a better least from Comicbook resources:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2015/11/05/2015-top-50-marvel-characters-3-1/2/

1. Spider-Man
2. Captain America
3. Wolverine
4. Daredevil
5. Doctor Doom
6. Magneto
7. Thor
8. Hulk
9. Iron Man
10. Cyclops
11. Thing
12. Deadpool
13. Storm
14. Hawkeye
15. Kitty Pride
16. Nightcrawler
17. Captain Marvel
18. She-Hulk
19. Doctor Strange
20. Jean Grey

When Spider-Man isn't at the top of the list, you know something is wrong. Here, Iron Man barely made the top ten. He's less popular than the other core Avengers, except for Hawkeye and Black Widow. Before the MCU, Iron Man wasn't what you would call an A-List character. It's doubtful, but not impossible that anyone will be able to match Cap or Iron Man in popularity in the MCU, but the other characters? I don't see why not.

 

[Spider-Ranger]

What you guys think about some major, cataclysmic event that happens some time after Infinity War and kinda wipes out the entire MCU as we know it..!?
It would be memorable the see our heroes ultimately fail against some threat that is unstoppable, even if you assemble every superhero there is.

In the aftermath, the MCU would start anew. This time with different actors playing the same heros. Yes, I'm talking about James Bond-ing the whole MCU franchise at one go.

At first - whichever hero gets his first solo-feature after the "relaunch" - things would start fresh and go on as if nothing happened. But the heroes would have flashes of their "past life", they would remember certain things. The overarching goal would be to find out what happended to them (the equivalent to the Infinity Stones that were the overarching theme of every phase so far).

 

[Mike5575]

What you guys think about some major, cataclysmic event that happens some time after Infinity War and kinda wipes out the entire MCU as we know it..!?
It would be memorable the see our heroes ultimately fail against some threat that is unstoppable, even if you assemble every superhero there is.

In the aftermath, the MCU would start anew. This time with different actors playing the same heros. Yes, I'm talking about James Bond-ing the whole MCU franchise at one go.

At first - whichever hero gets his first solo-feature after the "relaunch" - things would start fresh and go on as if nothing happened. But the heroes would have flashes of their "past life", they would remember certain things. The overarching goal would be to find out what happended to them (the equivalent to the Infinity Stones that were the overarching theme of every phase so far).

What, and erase everything the filmakers have built up for over ten years? I think not. Recast only for a few characters deemed irreplaceable and throw in mostly new characters to the Avengers lineup.

 

[MbJ]

Captain America likes to beat up Germans. No wonder he's so far down the list. Germans also used to worship trees, or at least consider them sacred. Hence, the whole Tree of The world thing. Maybe this explains why Groot is on the list. Here is a better least from Comicbook resources:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2015/11/05/2015-top-50-marvel-characters-3-1/2/

1. Spider-Man
2. Captain America
3. Wolverine
4. Daredevil
5. Doctor Doom
6. Magneto
7. Thor
8. Hulk
9. Iron Man
10. Cyclops
11. Thing
12. Deadpool
13. Storm
14. Hawkeye
15. Kitty Pride
16. Nightcrawler
17. Captain Marvel
18. She-Hulk
19. Doctor Strange
20. Jean Grey

When Spider-Man isn't at the top of the list, you know something is wrong. Here, Iron Man barely made the top ten. He's less popular than the other core Avengers, except for Hawkeye and Black Widow. Before the MCU, Iron Man wasn't what you would call an A-List character. It's doubtful, but not impossible that anyone will be able to match Cap or Iron Man in popularity in the MCU, but the other characters? I don't see why not.

That's because it's an anecdotal list compiled mainly by comic fans. Most of the people in the mainstream audience aren't comic fans.

Iron Man has never been as popular in the comics as he has been in the movies, because they were able to sell him to a mainstream audience in a much more effective way than they've ever done the comics. You can point out that other heroes beat him on a popularity poll at a comic book site, but thus far, no hero in the MCU has been able to match IM3 at the box office, nor do they match his merchandising sales.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

with tony stark, doctor strange the inhumans/blackbolt and black panther,i dare to say: illuminati confirmed

 

[meanmc]

with tony stark, doctor strange the inhumans/blackbolt and black panther,i dare to say: illuminati confirmed

I think so too...
Therefore we may not see some sequals in phase 4, like (no) "Black Panther 2", "Doctor Strange 2" (as a real stand-alone movie) or even "Iron Man 4".
A 2020 movie could also be a "Illuminati" movie - maybe "Doctor Strange 2"!

And Iron Man no longer with the Avengers...

But it would be little bit strange, or?

Tony Stark fights now against Captain America, because he thinks, that the government should oversee the actions of the Avengers. But then, after "Infinity Wars" he is part of a secret union?
Okay, the events from "Infinity War" could change his mind again...

The Illuminatis would fix the problem perfectly, that there can be just 6 members with the Avengers at on time.
Doctor Stange, Black Panther and Iron Man would have their own (new) union...
https://www.google.de/search?q=gove...hIHKAhXEuw8KHU0tAoQQvwUIGigA&biw=1920&bih=949

 

[Mike5575]

Yep, look at the Fast and Furious franchise, everyone thought the franchise was done when they replaced the main lead characters, especially Vin. Then they brought them back and turned it into one of the most successful franchises ever.

And I don't know how many times it's going to be said, but Disney is NOT going to be killing off any of the main players.

Really? Because I thought it was because of Paul Walker's death. Every successive FF movie had increased earnings(Tokyo Drift being the only exception). When has Paul Walker and Vin Diesel NOT been part of the main cast?

 

[Iron_Stark]

Really? Because I thought it was because of Paul Walker's death. Every successive FF movie had increased earnings(Tokyo Drift being the only exception). When has Paul Walker and Vin Diesel NOT been part of the main cast?

Part 1, success
Part 2 , only Walker stayed, BO numbers went down.
Part 3, ALL the main cast left, BO numbers plummeted, franchise considered done.
Part 4-7, ALL main cast returned, plus the Rock, BO numbers skyrocketed.


People don't want to see the Avengers led by second stringers and a bunch of unknown characters.

I don't care what you try to tell me, or your "Proof" of what people want, bottom line, people have spoken or in this case, the GA has proven what they want by shelling out their hard earned money to make this a global success. And a couple of angry net nerds making a poll on a comic book site isn't going to determine what the GA wants.

edit.

btw, except for Spider-Man, ALL of those on that list have not come anywhere near touching Iron Man's numbers at the North American BO and especially the Global BO. Not Wolverine, Cap, Magneto, NONE.

And I'm not hating, I'm really looking forward to it, I'll be there opening weekend, but I doubt Deadpool's global BO will even come close to matching Iron Man 3's domestic.

 

[meanmc]

@ Iron_Stark

As i opened the thread - would you like to add your (two) teams?
Would it be with Iron Man or do you see him also with the Illuminatis?

 

[Mike5575]

Part 1, success
Part 2 , only Walker stayed, BO numbers went down.
Part 3, ALL the main cast left, BO numbers plummeted, franchise considered done.
Part 4-7, ALL main cast returned, plus the Rock, BO numbers skyrocketed.


People don't want to see the Avengers led by second stringers and a bunch of unknown characters.

I don't care what you try to tell me, or your "Proof" of what people want, bottom line, people have spoken or in this case, the GA has proven what they want by shelling out their hard earned money to make this a global success. And a couple of angry net nerds making a poll on a comic book site isn't going to determine what the GA wants.

edit.

btw, except for Spider-Man, ALL of those on that list have not come anywhere near touching Iron Man's numbers at the North American BO and especially the Global BO. Not Wolverine, Cap, Magneto, NONE.

And I'm not hating, I'm really looking forward to it, I'll be there opening weekend, but I doubt Deadpool's global BO will even come close to matching Iron Man 3's domestic.

Tokyo Drift was just a bad movie and a movie franchise shouldn't deviate so quickly from a proven success. A trilogy is good enough, imo. Adding in the Rock will only add to the overall BO.

I would hardly call any of the new heroes being introduced as "second string." Marvel wouldn't have bent over backwards to get Benedict Cumberbatch for Doctor Strange if they thought he was a second stringer. The same could be said about Marvel's decision not to include Captain Marvel at the end of AOU. Marvel felt that lines such as "they're not The 27 Yankees" or "Let's beat em' into shape" were appropriate for battle tested military veterans Sam Wilson and War Machine, but not Carol Danvers. It just goes to show how highly Feige and Co. regard Carol Danvers.

The proof is that Marvel fans will shell over their hard earned cash to watch just about any Marvel movie. The quote by Feige in which he stated that BP and Captain Marvel were asked about more than IM4 or Avengers 3 was not made up, but an actual quote by Feige. The same is true regarding the stats on the phase 3 movie buzz following Marvel's big announcement. Black Panther and Captain Marvel were leading the pack.

I could see Marvel possibly keeping Cap and IM around in some future movies, but depending on the success of the phase 3 movies, there's no reason to believe that the movie-less characters won't at least take a back seat to the new characters with their own franchises. I'm not sure what you meant by "angry net nerds making polls." They're just comic book fans making polls. The point of showing the polls is to point out that Iron Man is much more popular in the movies than in the comics. It's because of the Studio and the actor that the character is so popular. If cast right, whose to say that future Avengers could never be as popular? Sure, it's a longshot and very unlikely, but not impossible. Iron Man 3 was RDJ's peak. I seriously doubt that IM4 would be able to match IM3. With RDJ's contract to expire, Marvel may recast, and several fans just can't get around the idea of IM without RDJ.

 

[MbJ]

Part 1, success
Part 2 , only Walker stayed, BO numbers went down.
Part 3, ALL the main cast left, BO numbers plummeted, franchise considered done.
Part 4-7, ALL main cast returned, plus the Rock, BO numbers skyrocketed.


People don't want to see the Avengers led by second stringers and a bunch of unknown characters.

Same thing happened with the Bourne movies. They tried to write out Jason Bourne and replace him with a brand new hero played by Jeremy Renner, and it almost killed the franchise. Now, like FATF, they're making a new movie and the whole marketing hook is that they're bringing back the real deal.

Tokyo Drift was just a bad movie and a movie franchise shouldn't deviate so quickly from a proven success.

His point (and mine) is that you keep asserting that people are sick of Iron Man, Cap, and the other A-listers and that replacing them with a new generation of heroes would revitalize the box office draws for Marvel, when in reality, most franchises have the exact opposite track records. Getting rid of the originals and asking the audience to accept a whole new cast usually leads to diminishing returns, not saving or jump starting the franchise.

 

[Mike5575]

Same thing happened with the Bourne movies. They tried to write out Jason Bourne and replace him with a brand new hero played by Jeremy Renner, and it almost killed the franchise. Now, like FATF, they're making a new movie and the whole marketing hook is that they're bringing back the real deal.



His point (and mine) is that you keep asserting that people are sick of Iron Man, Cap, and the other A-listers and that replacing them with a new generation of heroes would revitalize the box office draws for Marvel, when in reality, most franchises have the exact opposite track records. Getting rid of the originals and asking the audience to accept a whole new cast usually leads to diminishing returns, not saving or jump starting the franchise.

Things are a little different with Marvel, though. Marvel won't be retiring heroes cold turkey. With phase 3, Marvel is introducing a whole slew of new heroes alongside the new ones. We'll get a better idea of who's replacing who after we see how successful these movies are. That way Marvel can see how popular these new characters are with the general audience, and they can be better informed on making a decision for which Avengers will comprise of the Avengers lineup post- Infinity War.

I could definitely see Cap and Iron Man being part of the new team for phase 4, but the others are questionable.

Edit:

The comparisons between Fast and Furious, Bourne Idenity, and The Avengers franchises just don't make sense to me. It would be one thing if Marvel ONLY made Avengers movies, but they don't. You're never going to see an Avengers film in which you don't know any of the characters. Why did the numbers go down after the original cast of Fast and Furious was replaced? Well, for starters, fans were never given a reason to like these characters in the first place. Marvel doesn't have this problem. THAT'S why they're making Black Panther and Doctor Strange, so that fans have a reason to be invested in these characters by the end of Infinity War 2. If the phase 3 movies sell like hotcakes, then the demand is going to be there to have them in an Avengers movie.

 

[ernesth100]

^He understands the situation.

 

[MbJ]

The comparisons between Fast and Furious, Bourne Idenity, and The Avengers franchises just don't make sense to me.

They're being brought up because you keep making this a monetary argument, and a rather abstract one at that.

Thus far, the "Big 3" Avengers have each grossed more with every sequel but your entire argument hinges on the idea that people are sick of them and that any future installments are going to make less money.

The reason the Fast and Furious and Bourne franchises are being brought up is because you keep saying that getting rid of the Avengers and replacing them with new heroes would prevent the box office numbers from going down, when as we've said, that generally does not happen with big franchises. There could always be an exception to the rule, but there aren't a lot of instances of franchises successfully replacing the leads with a new group of heroes and then still enjoying the same level of success.

But (and I mean this politely) that's all kind of moot because your argument relies on ideas that are currently unprovable. You keep saying that an Iron Man 4 would be a financial disappointment, but we won't now that until one is made. Just as we won't know if the Captain America and Thor sequels will bring in disappointing draws until that starts happening, but thus far, it hasn't. You do raise a good point in saying that this situation is different from Fast and the Furious because the new Avengers are all being introduced in their own solo movies first, but we don't know how well they're going to do and if they'll do well enough to financially justify Marvel and Disney retiring proven money makers.

So until that does start happening, there's no grounds to say that audiences are sick of the original Avengers and that the only way to save the franchise is to replace them. It sounds like you just don't particularly like these characters and want to see them gone, and you're trying to bring in a flimsy financial justification as to why you think that's the case.

 

[ernesth100]

It doesn't necessarily mean he dislikes the characters. Is just some people wanna see New Avengers on the team.

 

[Mike5575]

They're being brought up because you keep making this a monetary argument, and a rather abstract one at that.

Thus far, the "Big 3" Avengers have each grossed more with every sequel but your entire argument hinges on the idea that people are sick of them and that any future installments are going to make less money.

The reason the Fast and Furious and Bourne franchises are being brought up is because you keep saying that getting rid of the Avengers and replacing them with new heroes would prevent the box office numbers from going down, when as we've said, that generally does not happen with big franchises. There could always be an exception to the rule, but there aren't a lot of instances of franchises successfully replacing the leads with a new group of heroes and then still enjoying the same level of success.

But (and I mean this politely) that's all kind of moot because your argument relies on ideas that are currently unprovable. You keep saying that an Iron Man 4 would be a financial disappointment, but we won't now that until one is made. Just as we won't know if the Captain America and Thor sequels will bring in disappointing draws until that starts happening, but thus far, it hasn't. You do raise a good point in saying that this situation is different from Fast and the Furious because the new Avengers are all being introduced in their own solo movies first, but we don't know how well they're going to do and if they'll do well enough to financially justify Marvel and Disney retiring proven money makers.

So until that does start happening, there's no grounds to say that audiences are sick of the original Avengers and that the only way to save the franchise is to replace them. It sounds like you just don't particularly like these characters and want to see them gone, and you're trying to bring in a flimsy financial justification as to why you think that's the case.

I don't think people are sick of "The big three" to the point that the general audience just can't a fourth movie, but a trilogy does seem like a good place to stop. I don't see fans being as excited about a 4th Iron Man as much as his last one. You're right that we really don't know how successful those phase 3 movies will be. I'm just assuming they will, but Marvel hasn't really given us a reason to doubt them. Still, movie studios can't make informed decisions on what "may happen." A sequel is never announced before the first movie hits the theaters.

Actually, I like the Avengers. I really do. I would have no business being here, if I didn't. TWS was one of my favorite movies. But, after 10 or so years, it would be nice for Marvel to focus on a completely different team of Avengers. I like the idea of Cap and Iron Man mingling more with the new Avengers, but if they recast younger versions of the characters, that would mess with Marvel's great continuity they've built for the movies. These characters would have aged 10 years. I can't picture a 60 year old Iron Man.

Sorry, but I just can't picture an Avengers movie with a team of 12 people. That would only work for movies like Infinity War, but not all Avengers movies will be split into two. You can still keep the old characters around in support roles. Have the Hulk leave the team, because Hulk only wants to be left alone. Have Widow being a spy, working with the Avengers. Cap and Tony have support roles, or maybe they're part of the new team, or only one of them is. Hawkeye probably dies in Infinity War and Thor retires and becomes King Thor of Asgard.

The whole thing about killing off Avengers was to raise stakes. If I'm coming off as bloodthirsty for Avengers heads. I just want shock value for Infinity War. Vision dying would be nice, but everyone would be EXPECTING that. Besides, if Marvel needs to bring any Avengers back, they can a la Infinity Stone magic.

 

[ernesth100]

Why not both. The world is a big place. And the Avengers cant be there for every threat. So why not have a Team on one side of the world and a extension of that team on the other side. And the films go back and forth between both teams occasionally crossing over.

 

[mace1]

Russos Tease "Supporting Avengers" Will Become Leads In "Infinity War"
"Avengers: Infinity War" co-director Joe Russo speaks to the potential roster shakeup that will occur during the two-part film.

Full article here.