Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

[Hunter Rider]

Not from this movie but I thought I'd put this here, if I had the coin I'd get it.

https://www.sideshow.com/collectibl...otorcycle-darkside-collectibles-studio-905456

 

[Zorro]

That is..magnificent!

 

[Mysteryman]

That is..magnificent!

Magnificent and quite costly, I would imagine.

 

[Zorro]

Magnificent and quite costly, I would imagine.

Yeah probably window shopping for me

 

[Mysteryman]

Right now, Dark Fate is estimated to make 11.75 million, if that holds, it will land in fifth place.

 

[Willi Berg]

So is Tim Miller's career as a director over at this point? Doesn't seem to play well with others.

It just seems that he has worked with very strong-willed people like James Cameron and Ryan Reynolds and he is equally as strong-willed. I just read about the development of the movie on Wikipedia and it does sound like he was a team player for the most part. They probably would still be working together for the sequels if this was successful.

The Wiki article is actually quite interesting regarding how they developed the story, and Cameron's involvement. E.g.:

Cameron had a list of action scenes, for no particular film, that he had wanted to shoot over the years, and he gave this list to Miller so he could work them into Terminator: Dark Fate. The list formed the basis for scenes involving a dam and a Humvee underwater. As the start of filming approached, Cameron felt that the script needed improvement and made the changes himself....Cameron said that he and Miller ultimately had many disagreements about the film, but he described it as being part of the creative process.

So basically you had two big directors with their own strong ideas working on the one film.

Something interesting I read in that article on John Connor:

Spoiler

Cameron believed that removing John Connor would prevent the film from feeling like a retread of previous films. Discarding John Connor allowed for new characters to be worked into the story. Additionally, Miller said, "You can't have John be a 36-year-old accountant somewhere. And really, when you think about it, he could be sort of a pathetic figure as a man who had missed his moment in history and was relegated to this banal, ordinary existence". Describing the opening scene, Miller said, "You want to slap the audience in the face and say, 'Wake up. This is going to be different.'

I think it could've been interesting seeing John as a 36 year old accountant having to take up fighting again!

Terminator: Dark Fate - Wikipedia

 

[OutOfBoose]

Miller was totally the right guy for the job imagining John as a 36 year old accountant. Cameron had a bit more faith and made him a senator in T2 (alternative future).

 

[Schlosser85]

It really didn't change the status quo though, when they just replaced him with a pseudo John Connor and repeated the exact same formula with her.

 

[OutOfBoose]

It really didn't change the status quo though, when they just replaced him with a pseudo John Connor and repeated the exact same formula with her.

Really boggles my mind Miller believes he made something truly new and different in TDF. When even more complimentary reviews said TDF is TFA of the Terminator franchise. And everyone knows TFA was anything but different.

 

[Zorro]

No but TFA was accepted more as a better film and sequel(imo)

 

[Mysteryman]

Anybody have any favorites from the soundtrack?
I quite liked Dani's Theme.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

You should've put AvP: Requiem on there.

I quite liked the first AvP, as its own thing. But Requiem was pure

 

[Zorro]

Give requiem the first movie's lighting and remove the pregnant woman's death and maybe it would make a bit of a difference

 

[TheVileOne]

So is Tim Miller's career as a director over at this point? Doesn't seem to play well with others.

I actually take a harder stance on the Alien franchise. There's Alien and Alien: Isolation. I love Aliens for the big dumb video game movie that it is, but James Cameron's Starship Troopers take on the Xenomorph really trivialized a lot of the more Lovecraftian elements of the original film which the prequels tried to go back to, but that's a mixed bag.

I think he needs to go back and do something smaller after this. He bit off way more than he could chew here.

Deadpool had the benefit of being a fraction of the budget of this. It was arguably less risky. Better for a first time director.

 

[-JKR-]

I really liked the movie (less than "Deadpool," though) and I think what didn't help was that , as far as I know, they had to rush this into production in order for Skydance to keep the rights.
They didn't have a finished script they were satisfied with when they started filming, and that's never a good thing ("Iron Man" VS. "Iron Man 2" are two perfect examples of when that can go well and when it completely backfires).
I think Miller can handle the budget, but (of course) he needs a solid script first. I didn't have any problems with his direction. Most of the issues stemmed from having an undercooked dialogue. Miller had a firm grip on the action, tension and even the actor's direction, but the characters didn't have much (worthwile) dialogue.

I rated it 7/10.

 

[TheVileOne]

I had a lot of problems with his direction for the movie, especially the action. And telegraphing obvious plot twists.

 

[moviedoors]

Anybody have any favorites from the soundtrack?
I quite liked Dani's Theme.

I really love the Rev 9's themes. Reminiscent of the wailing, atonal themes from the first movie and for the T-1000 without just being a ripoff. This is first post-T2 Teminator score that actually feels of a piece with what Brad Fiedel did.

 

[Zorro]

Tim Miller did good but obviously could have done much better. I hated Deadpool but that's mostly because I've always been annoyed by and loathed the character in general and only saw the movie to give it a chance after all the hype and praise

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I haven't seen this yet, but looking at some of the (non-spoiler) reviews on IMDb, Jeeez. It's being savaged. More than one reviewer saying they even preferred Genisys. Its rating is only just higher than TG's too (6.5, compared to 6.4) I know IMDb isn't exactly an impartial barometer of movie quality, but is Dark Fate really that bad?

 

[narep85098]

I haven't seen this yet, but looking at some of the (non-spoiler) reviews on IMDb, Jeeez. It's being savaged. More than one reviewer saying they even preferred Genisys. Its rating is only just higher than TG's too (6.5, compared to 6.4) I know IMDb isn't exactly an impartial barometer of movie quality, but is Dark Fate really that bad?

The first scene rightfully so ruins the movie for many

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

The first scene rightfully so ruins the movie for many

Oh, that's not a good start!

 

[narep85098]

Oh, that's not a good start!

Im impressed you dont know about the opening scene shenanigans lol

 

[Zorro]

I didn't know how to react as it happened. Decided to let the film play out and think positive. I like the movie but yeah it's a mega sh*t decision

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Im impressed you dont know about the opening scene shenanigans lol

Yes, I've managed to avoid it somehow!

 

[narep85098]

I didn't know how to react as it happened. Decided to let the film play out and think positive. I like the movie but yeah it's a mega sh*t decision