Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

[Deck Rickard]

The franchise is just stuck in the past and that's the problem. They need something new. I appreciate that TS at least tried that with the future war setting. I mean they still screwed up, but that's what this franchise needs a new idea. We don't need "I'll be back," "Come with me if you want to live." It didn't help the last 3 movies and it just comes across as tired.

Not trying to take anythign away from anyone looking forward to this, but I just don't see what's interesting about this movie. What's the angle. Is it that it's more woman centric? I mean that's cool and I'm all for better representation...but that's not going to get me in the theater. Especially after 3 bad sequels and, imo, a bad trailer.

I would/would've loved a trilogy of John Connor and a platoon of soldiers in the future war. That's a great way to reinvent the franchise instead of just doing everything over. That's what TDF feels like. Just a retread. Except "Hey look Linda Hamilton's back"

Yeah that’s how I feel too. Terminator Salvation SHOULD have been the restart this franchise needed. You had all the pieces (well, some of them). Bale was perfect casting. Bryce Dallas Howard is always good. Anton Yelchin was an inspired choice for Kyle Reese. And yet, McG and the screen writers in their infinite wisdom thought it would be better to sideline the characters we knew in favor of some weird subplot about a death row inmate who is part terminator. What is with this franchise and always needing to have a “good” terminator? Why can’t you just give us great human characters like we had in the first film? You don’t ALWAYS need a reprogrammed Arnold or some super-powered A-hole like Sam AvatarGuy. God, it pisses me off how badly they fumbled the ball with that movie.

But because it didn’t work, now we’re back to another retread.

 

[Zorro]

As I've said before, I overall like Salvation and find it underrated but damn I remember seeing the teaser trailer and knowing a bit of the film after it being announced and thought we would be getting a movie based on T1&2's future scenes mixed with the description of stuff from T3's future

I kept thinking of Future John Connor from T2 and Kate Brewster capturing a T-800 trying to kill John and reprogram him to be on their side because from Arnold them in T3 and a lot of war zone stuff from the first two movies and exploring Kyle's life

 

[Sithborg]

[sits in corner mumbling about Sarah Connor Chronicles]

 

[Zorro]

Yeah that was a good show and still could have been done even if T2 was the last film. Comics, shows and video games are whole other things than a new film in the series

 

[Zantera]

The formula of "Skynet sent back a terminator to kill X and the resistance sent back a protector to save X" worked well for the first two movies but I agree that it's a formula that's gotten a bit stale since. Salvation did try something different but I think ultimately was a bit disappointing because the future in that didn't feel at all similar to the future we see in T2 and so there was a disconnect for me right from the start. That, and Salvation not being particularly good either.

I would love for the franchise to return to the simple premise of humans against a T800 but at this point it's like you HAVE to introduce a new terminator with each movie and honestly it doesn't feel like the terminators are getting better but rather more silly. The T800 was great, the T1000 felt like a natural follow-up and was also great. I'll give the terminator in T3 some minor cred because taking over other machines did feel like a natural next step but the whole "liquid OVER cyborg" felt like a weird choice.

Give me a simple premise of a human being hunted by a T800 made more low budget in a horror tone and I think that's the way to go. You could set it in the future but I think the problem is the original movies were made to have a "happy" ending. I think Cameron has always had a fondness for the "good guys save the day" even in his bleaker movies and both T1 and T2 end on a note that evil has been stopped and judgment day has been prevented. If you set the movie post-judgment day which could be cool, I guess it's hard to make it so the movie has a rewarding ending if everything has already turned to crap in the world.

 

[Doctor Jones]

You know this looks pretty good but it just looks more of the same. They're still in ****ing motel rooms. It seems like they're hiding a lot as that woman they're protecting probably is a key piece of this whole thing still happening but unless there's some insane twist I can't forsee this be anything more than another stop judgement day movie.

Plus I don't agree with Cameron that the problem was these movies got too complicated. The problem was they weren't good. I don't think bringing it back to basics is always the necessary solution to these movies not working.

It makes me sadder Salvation was a disappointment. I could have seen a whole series about the war of machines. What I loved about that idea was it just pulled the trigger and just did post judgement day instead of constantly trying to stop it. It really freshened the franchise. This doesn't strike me as fresh.

 

[Deck Rickard]

You know this looks pretty good but it just looks more of the same. They're still in ****ing motel rooms. It seems like they're hiding a lot as that woman they're protecting probably is a key piece of this whole thing still happening but unless there's some insane twist I can't forsee this be anything more than another stop judgement day movie.

Plus I don't agree with Cameron that the problem was these movies got too complicated. The problem was they weren't good. I don't think bringing it back to basics is always the necessary solution to these movies not working.

It makes me sadder Salvation was a disappointment. I could have seen a whole series about the war of machines. What I loved about that idea was it just pulled the trigger and just did post judgement day instead of constantly trying to stop it. It really freshened the franchise. This doesn't strike me as fresh.

Yeah, I remember when the trailer for Terminator: Genesucks came out, Emelia Clarke had some line in it like, "We can STOP Judgment Day from happening!" And it was like, "Oooooh, yeah! Wouldn't that be nice? Until the next movie of course, when you have to stop it from happening again." It would be amusing if Mackenzie is actually evil and she needs to keep Dani alive because she is actually the one that CAUSES Judgment Day, but I doubt this franchise has the guts to try and pull off a twist like that. Instead, she's just the new John Connor (who is presumably dead or he turned in Nick Stahl's John Connor--in either case, he's useless as a savior of humanity).

 

[James.B]

 

[Zorro]

Love that arnold poster. Would use it as a wallpaper if I could find one without the text

 

[Deck Rickard]

I'm constantly amazed at how something that looks like it was Photoshopped by a kid in junior high winds up on a professional movie poster. Mackenzie Davis looks like a walking stick in that picture and Natalia Reyes looks like she had her arms amputated.

 

[Mysteryman]

That tagline could backfire on them.
" I choose not to have a Dark Fate, I am not seeing the film."

 

[Zantera]

I like the Arnold poster but someone on reddit pointed out that his hand looks like a baby's hand and now i can't unsee it.

 

[StarLord]

 

[shinlyle]

I just realized that this and Charlie's Angels both come out November 1st. Looks like I get to vote with my wallet...and stay home. I would love for this film to be good, but it's just...not looking promising.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Ironically enough, Terminator 3 opened just a week after Charlie’s Angels: Full Throttle back in ancient 2003.

 

[Zorro]

There's a boost in interest from me right now but that's because I'm enjoying playing as Sarah Connor and a T-800 Endosleketon in Gears 5. Arnold's T-800 coming to Mortal Kombat 11 in a couple of weeks also has my hyped.

However..that boost, my love for the franchise and the fact that I'm still such an arnold fanboy still isn't enough to make me want to see this in theatres. This feels like Genisys somehow and Genisys is least favorite Terminator film and so I have a bad taste in my mouth.

Might still see this opening weekend or so but it won't be theaters...

 

[Da-Scribe]

I think in this case, it's best to just wait for some reviews from folks you trust.

It would be amusing if Mackenzie is actually evil and she needs to keep Dani alive because she is actually the one that CAUSES Judgment Day, but I doubt this franchise has the guts to try and pull off a twist like that. Instead, she's just the new John Connor (who is presumably dead or he turned in Nick Stahl's John Connor--in either case, he's useless as a savior of humanity).

That's an interesting theory honestly. Maybe the Connors preventing the original Judgment Day just created a future where the machines won the war at a later time. So now Skynet is sending machines back to make sure it stays that way. A machine comes back to protect the catalyst for the end of the world while another is sent to kill it. Would make for an interesting reversal.

Imagine a film that sees them going back in time to preserve the original Judgment Day. Billions of lives sacrificed to ensure humanity wins the war in the future.

Lawd, that will likely never happen lol.

 

[chamber-music]

The franchise is just stuck in the past and that's the problem. They need something new. I appreciate that TS at least tried that with the future war setting. I mean they still screwed up, but that's what this franchise needs a new idea. We don't need "I'll be back," "Come with me if you want to live." It didn't help the last 3 movies and it just comes across as tired.

Not trying to take anythign away from anyone looking forward to this, but I just don't see what's interesting about this movie. What's the angle. Is it that it's more woman centric? I mean that's cool and I'm all for better representation...but that's not going to get me in the theater. Especially after 3 bad sequels and, imo, a bad trailer.

I would/would've loved a trilogy of John Connor and a platoon of soldiers in the future war. That's a great way to reinvent the franchise instead of just doing everything over. That's what TDF feels like. Just a retread. Except "Hey look Linda Hamilton's back"

I agree with all of this.

I would be first in line to watch a really gritty scar faced John Connor battle it out to survive in the nightmare hellscape we saw in the first two Terminator movies.

Salvations problem was the lame Marcus plot which wasn't that interesting. McG wanted Bale as Marcus. Bale turned down a role in the movie three times and only they expanded the John Connor role in rewrites because Bale insisted on playing John Connor.

 

[DyeLorean]

Let's be honest, the franchise peaked with T2. It is nearly impossible to top that. They've tried everything: a similar one (T3), a different one (TS) and one that tries to do everything and nothing at the same time (TG). Granted, Linda Hamilton is a breathe of fresh air, but I'm still not convinced. And I'm not even sure how (or if) this franchise should continue.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Arnie looks badass with the beard, and I dig this Rev-9 poster.

 

[MadVillainy]

Let's be honest, the franchise peaked with T2. It is nearly impossible to top that. They've tried everything: a similar one (T3), a different one (TS) and one that tries to do everything and nothing at the same time (TG). Granted, Linda Hamilton is a breathe of fresh air, but I'm still not convinced. And I'm not even sure how (or if) this franchise should continue.

You don't need to top it. I would be fine if it's just a good movie. I don't need a sequel to be as better than it's predecessor especially with a classic movie. I just want something that's good or great.

And they can do that with Terminator, I just think they get the wrong talent.

 

[Zorro]

This has a good director, cast and producer but the story is very iffy

 

[MadVillainy]

This has a good director, cast and producer but the story is very iffy

I think the jury is still out on him. He's only done 1 movie.
The cast is good, but I don't think the cast has ever been the problem until TG.

I mean there's a chance, but nothing I've heard gives me faith. But I will be happy to be proven wrong

 

[DyeLorean]

You don't need to top it. I would be fine if it's just a good movie. I don't need a sequel to be as better than it's predecessor especially with a classic movie. I just want something that's good or great.

And they can do that with Terminator, I just think they get the wrong talent.

I think I misspoke. What I meant was that, for me, the story reached its full potential in T2. It merges and balances perfectly the horror and the action and stretches the premise as far as it can go. Now, I wouldn't say this if T: DF was the third movie in the franchise, but they've done so many different things at this point that I don't think there's a way to restore the simplicity of the first two.

 

[Zorro]

How much control/input does Cameron have a producer? What stuff has been his ideas and saying?

I expected he would ignore T3-Genisys but didn't expect this route with no John Connor as a main character and stuff