Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

[Lencho01]

All I wanted after T2 was a film with John and laser guns.

 

[Daywalker89]

Funnily enough i gave Salvation a watch the other day . They tried some different angles but on the whole it was a descent film. Some of the tracking shots were nicely done. There were certain throwbacks to the previous films( eese gun sling, Johns music to attract mototerminators) and they used actual animatronic terminators in some scenes. Oh and Anton Yelchin, Bale and Worthington were competent in there roles.I can understand why alot of people didn't like it but they tried lool

Regarding this trailer. Pretty much everyone has touched on the things i didn't like. Is there one person in trailer editing industry or something. Most these trailers have the same type of beats its ****ing generic and annoying.

Wheres the dread,wheres the daunting music. Action looks over the top. Mckenzie and Hamilton look great but everything else looks abit meh at the moment. Im just getting to a point where i can't invest in this series. It can't capture what T1 and T2 had. As the movies go by im beginning to think it was a era thing. They captured lighting in a bottle twice with hugely talented people and a sense of direction.. Oh well i will still give this a chance but that trailer gave me Genisys vibes.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[-JKR-]

Yeah, Christian Bale was great with what he had to work with.
The script was nonsensical, and McG cannot direct to save his life, but seeing Bale as Connor is the only reason I sometimes stop by and watch the movie for a bit when I catch it on TV.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I like slow-mo personally, especially over kinetic editing, but all of that aside the posing stuff has always been part of the action genre from the 80's, Arnie, Sly, JCVD did it multiple times in every movie.

I like slo-mo when it's used well. It seems present day Hollywood forgot how to use it. I watched recently Hard Target and I really like how speed alternates through action scenes, it gives you time to process it, properly highlights moments, be it a focus on some detail, suspense or smack in a mug. But in TDF it looked like they needed to capture a dynamic pose. A beautiful frame. I hate it in superhero films, and it felt even more out of place in a Terminator film.

I'm still looking forward to the story in this one. After all 5 writers probably cooked up something worth keeping an eye. But superhero aesthetic is underwhelming to say the least. Based on the teaser.

 

[henzINNIT]

All I wanted after T2 was a film with John and laser guns.

I'm in two minds about a future war movie simply because there's not really a plot there. Humans win, the war is just a back-drop and the hook of the Terminator was always that the battle for the future is "now". The film we all picture would likely be connecting the dots we already know about. That said, after so many misfires I think a lot of us would be content with just that. There's some interesting wrinkles you could fold in I'm sure.

If studios weren't so franchise-minded, we probably would have had that sequel/prequel by now. Something that gets us to the original time-travel set up and closes the loop. No endless sequel-baiting. That section of T:G was probably the best stuff, if you ignore Jai Courtney.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Another problem with the teaser: 2 minutes of footage where heroes kick a terminator's ass... Grace is more fearsome than the threat. Who's idea was that???

 

[Deck Rickard]

Yeah, Christian Bale was great with what he had to work with.
The script was nonsensical, and McG cannot direct to save his life, but seeing Bale as Connor is the only reason I sometimes stop by and watch the movie for a bit when I catch it on TV.

Some of his speeches were cool. The one he gives to the resistance is great and his delivery when he tells Worthington "You WILL NOT kill me" is badass. Shame that's like the only good dialogue in the whole movie, lol.

 

[Man in the Suit]

I thought Miller's Deadpool looked bland, but somehow this is even blander. Bad CGI and everything looks like concrete. Why would you reintroduce Sarah Connor with the flattest shot imaginable? Geez...

 

[Deck Rickard]

Another problem with the teaser: 2 minutes of footage where heroes kick a terminator's ass... Grace is more fearsome than the threat. Who's idea was that???

LOL seriously. But maybe he's just a D-List Terminator and there's a bigger threat?

Eh, never mind. They tried that in the last movie and it was horrid.

 

[-JKR-]

I think the speeches were written by Jonathan Nolan, but that's about the only stuff he was able to rewrite.

 

[-JKR-]

I thought Miller's Deadpool looked bland, but somehow this is even blander. Bad CGI and everything looks like concrete. Why would you reintroduce Sarah Connor with the flattest shot imaginable? Geez...

I really liked the look of Tim Miller's "Deadpool." It's subtle, but effective, and the grays reminded me of DOP Jan De Bont's color palettes in the 1980s and 1990s.

As far as the hero kicking the bad guy's ass in the trailer. The villain always manages to get up even after a major beating, so it's not like he doesn't come off as a threat.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Yeah, I have no complaints about Deadpool. Loved it. I personally think this looks okay; nothing really blew me away but it looks about a million times better than Genisys. Low bar, I know. But we'll see.

 

[Mandon Knight]

The main issue I have with Salvation is the fact you watch it and you can tell literally 'chunks' have been lost to the edit floor, what's there is decent, but what's left behind is half a story plus Bale was way too powerful for that set, there should never be a situation where rank is pulled by an actor to a director, disagree and debate points of creativity by all means, and compromise if you have too but an actor shouldn't be dictating or raising his voice in disrespect to a director in that way, a piece of me died in my love for Bale and his craft and him as a person, that day.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Recut trailer with different music:

 

[Deck Rickard]

The main issue I have with Salvation is the fact you watch it and you can tell literally 'chunks' have been lost to the edit floor, what's there is decent, but what's left behind is half a story plus Bale was way too powerful for that set, there should never be a situation where rank is pulled by an actor to a director, disagree and debate points of creativity by all means, and compromise if you have too but an actor shouldn't be dictating or raising his voice in disrespect to a director in that way, a piece of me died in my love for Bale and his craft and him as a person, that day.

I mean, I mostly agree with you but McG is a hack who clearly didn't know what the hell he was doing. And perhaps the influence Bale had over the production made the film even worse, but I don't believe for one SECOND that McG would have made a good film had he been allowed to work uninterrupted. That man is awful.

 

[-JKR-]

The main issue I have with Salvation is the fact you watch it and you can tell literally 'chunks' have been lost to the edit floor, what's there is decent, but what's left behind is half a story plus Bale was way too powerful for that set, there should never be a situation where rank is pulled by an actor to a director, disagree and debate points of creativity by all means, and compromise if you have too but an actor shouldn't be dictating or raising his voice in disrespect to a director in that way, a piece of me died in my love for Bale and his craft and him as a person, that day.

You can't honestly believe that the production didn't go well because of a power play by Christian Bale. He was probably frustrated by McG's work on set and snapped. It happens to the best of us.

He wasn't too powerful for that set. He deserved a better script and director, and barely had anything to work with. And the same goes for the rest of the cast.

 

[P Supreme]

they just put Salvation on Netflix put it on my list but everytime I think about Worthington I don't watch it

 

[-JKR-]

Worthington is not a bad actor, but his character didn't make any lick of sense, and didn't have any real dramatic heft.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I attribute that to Miller but surprised is in it since Cameron craps on superhero movies

Cameron did the same in Avatar. So he's on the same wavelength as Miller. It's the virus that started with The Matrix (only The Matrix did it well) and then reinforced with it's sequels, 300 and the like. It's the state of blockbusters right now. I believe only Fury Road didn't play with this **** (for good).

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I want to start this by saying T2 is one of my five favorite films of all time. I love the first film as well and I have watched all the material, from Genysis to Chronicles. Mackenize Davis a favorite of mine, Sarah Connor one of my favorite characters, and I think Miller is a great talent. All that being said, this did not look good to me. Like at all. It looked like it was just taking ideas from the bad ones, re-purposing them, and doing them about as bad.

I get why they don't want to jump straight to Judgement Day, because it changes the style of film. But maybe that is what we need, to change the style of film. Also, where is John? I have waited since I was like 4 years old to see him properly at the end of the world, and I feel like I keep getting ripped off.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I thought Miller's Deadpool looked bland, but somehow this is even blander. Bad CGI and everything looks like concrete. Why would you reintroduce Sarah Connor with the flattest shot imaginable? Geez...

This is an interesting take. Because I feel like the opening of Deadpool is one of my favorite "jokes" on filming stuff in Canada. And insanely dynamic sequence, against the dullest background.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Reposting from reddit...



A few highlights:

• The dark haired little girl is all but confirmed as the "new" Sarah Connor. James confirmed a terminator is sent back in time to kill her because she is of great significance in the future. Before that, she's just a normal woman, unaware and involved.
  
  
• They chose the dark haired girl as a Mexican in Mexico City because they wanted to make the movie relevant by mixing it in with all the immigration stuff going on with US/Mexico
  
  
• Sarah is a terminator hunter. She's figured out a way to know when they show up, and she's there waiting.
  
  
• It's R rated!
  
  
• Arnold is a T-800
  
  
• Arnold maybe/probably won't say "I'll be back"
  
  
• Arnold is the most interesting T-800 you've seen yet, and he has a few funny lines
  
  
• The new terminator is named "Rev9"
  
  
• The whole story takes place in 36 hours
  
  
• It's not complex, it's Grim, it's Gritty, it's Fast, it's intense, it's very linear
  
  
• Cameron describes it as "a white knuckle ride", recapturing the feeling from the first movie
  
  
• Judgement Day is inevitable. In T2, they kicked the can down the road.

 

[Deck Rickard]

they just put Salvation on Netflix put it on my list but everytime I think about Worthington I don't watch it

I'm kinda glad he dried up and blew away. Aside from Avatar, he's awful.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It amazes me how Cameron used the boot strap paradox to make the first film, still doesn't seem to know or understand it. Maybe he just ignores it because he thinks it means he can't make more films, I don't know. But the idea that the other films "changed" things never made sense when the only way John Connor can be born is if Reese and Sarah bang.