Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

[OutOfBoose]

Look, say what you will about Salvation, but it gave us the Christian Bale rant, and no one will ever be able to take that away from it.

Salvation's only redeeming quality. And maybe the desire to try Future War setting.

 

[-JKR-]

If you follow the idea of the bootstrap paradox, which the first Terminator is built on, that doesn't work. Because the timeline is set. What happens, happens. Changing something, can change everything. That is where you get into the butterfly effect idea.

John isn't just born because his father is a time traveler. His father has to survive Judgment Day, meet John, fight for him, and survive the war until the moment he is sent back in time with that photo.

I'll try to explain myself.

The fact that they managed to prevent the 1997 Judgement Day creating "timeline B" doesn't mean that Kyle Reese suddenly disappears from the past. He's still there and knocks Sarah up... having come from the "timeline A."

The butterfly effect changes things in the future, but it doesn't changed the fact that IN THE PAST a Kyle Reese from "timeline A" has met Sarah.

It's only in 1997 that the timelines split, forming this "timeline B." But Kyle Reese from "timeline A" was still there in 1984.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Uhm, why SHOULDN'T they have tried to prevent Judgement Day?

That would the obvious crux of a third film, they keep on avoiding. Which would take place during the war, but instead of time travel, we have flashbacks.

- John thinks they prevented Judgment Day. Sarah doesn't.

- Sarah using logic realizes that Judgment Day has to happen for John to be born.

- This splinters their relationship again, leaving them separated on Judgment Day, when Sarah would die.

For me, the answer to all these issues of when Judgment Day happens and such is that in the third film, which would end with John sending back Reese and our beloved T2 Terminator, would be that John realizes that he has to send them back, and he has to do so with the info they originally had. The original date for Judgment Day is always a lie. One that has to exist. He would come to believe this thanks to Sarah leaving behind tapes or some sort of notes on her theories.

Then if you want clean air, have movies set after that point, during the war or the aftermath. But they want to keep delaying the war to make these movies and it is dumb.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Look, say what you will about Salvation, but it gave us the Christian Bale rant, and no one will ever be able to take that away from it.

It’s a pretty great rant. He was also true to his word. Him and cinematographer Shane Hurlbut never worked together professionally again.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'll try to explain myself.

The fact that they managed to prevent the 1997 Judgement Day creating "timeline B" doesn't mean that Kyle Reese suddenly disappears from the past. He's still there and knocks Sarah up... having come from the "timeline A."

The butterfly effect changes things in the future, but it doesn't changed the fact that IN THE PAST a Kyle Reese from "timeline A" has met Sarah.

It's only in 1997 that the timelines split, forming this "timeline B." But Kyle Reese from "timeline A" was still there in 1984.

That is splintered timeline theory. Which as I am explaining doesn't work, because it all starts with time travel. The original timeline has time travel baked in. So it has to happen. Even if you think at that point in time an infinite amount of possibilities have to happen, the issue is it all starts with time travel, because John Connor has to be born and his father is from the future.

It actually amazes me how things have gone considering how overtly the bootstrap, especially when you consider not just John, but the Terminator remains.

 

[-JKR-]

Christian Bale also vowed to never work with McG again.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Salvation's only redeeming quality. And maybe the desire to try Future War setting.

...and Anton....

 

[DarkKnight88]

Christian Bale also vowed to never work with McG again.

Maybe. But that was never made public I don’t think.

The only time he refers to McG in the rant is “Do you have anything to say to this prick?” to which leader McG says he didn’t see what happened.

 

[-JKR-]

Maybe. But that was never made public I don’t think.

The only time he refers to McG in the rant is “Do you have anything to say to this prick?” to which leader McG says he didn’t see what happened.

Christian Bale said so himself in an interview a couple of years ago.

 

[Ninjablade]

That would the obvious crux of a third film, they keep on avoiding. Which would take place during the war, but instead of time travel, we have flashbacks.

- John thinks they prevented Judgment Day. Sarah doesn't.

- Sarah using logic realizes that Judgment Day has to happen for John to be born.

- This splinters their relationship again, leaving them separated on Judgment Day, when Sarah would die.

For me, the answer to all these issues of when Judgment Day happens and such is that in the third film, which would end with John sending back Reese and our beloved T2 Terminator, would be that John realizes that he has to send them back, and he has to do so with the info they originally had. The original date for Judgment Day is always a lie. One that has to exist. He would come to believe this thanks to Sarah leaving behind tapes or some sort of notes on her theories.

Then if you want clean air, have movies set after that point, during the war or the aftermath. But they want to keep delaying the war to make these movies and it is dumb.

This idea is literally so simple and such a natural extension of the first two, that it makes it more frustrating that they keep giving us all this other crap. They just love to ignore all the rules that first film establishes.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Christian Bale said so himself in an interview a couple of years ago.

Link?

Edit: Found it.

Christian Bale: I won't be back to work with McG

 

[-JKR-]

Link?

It's not like I'm gonna find it in two minutes. I don't remember during which press tour it was. I'll try to snoop it up when I have some more free time and patience.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This idea is literally so simple and such a natural extension of the first two that it, that it makes it more frustrating that they keep giving us all this other crap. They just love to ignore all the rules that first film establishes.

I think it even makes the idea of, "There is no fate but what we make " even stronger. John has to make his own past, to create a future for mankind. It isn't set, because it is up to him. It works so well, and actually gives us that story where John is finally able to be the man we know he is destined to be. But nah... **** it.

 

[-JKR-]

Man, that was easier than I thought:

WSJ: I read that when you first sat down with the director of that film, McG, you told him that nothing you’d seen in his filmography suggested that he had what it takes to do that movie.

CHRISTIAN BALE: Right.

WSJ: That’s brutal. Directors have egos

CHRISTIAN BALE: Ah, yes. Yeah. But he goes, “Give me a chance. Everyone needs to evolve, and I need to turn over a new leaf. And please, you must’ve been in this position before yourself, when someone has taken a leap of faith on you,”— which I have—“please do that for me now; I promise you, I’m ready for it.”

WSJ: So what do you think, having given him a chance?

CHRISTIAN BALE: (Pause) There’s a lot of room for many approaches and many characters within the film industry. I won’t be working with him again, but I wish him very well. Okay?

Christian Bale Will Never Work with McG Again

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Why are we talking about this John Connor guy? He's dead. Bury him.

 

[-JKR-]

We're not talking about John Connor. We're talking about the "Terminator Salvation" production. :P

 

[Ninjablade]

I think it even makes the idea of, "There is no fate but what we make " even stronger. John has to make his own past, to create a future for mankind. It isn't set, because it is up to him. It works so well, and actually gives us that story where John is finally able to be the man we know he is destined to be. But nah... **** it.

Why progress things when you can just rehash the things you already did 3 times over?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

By the way, on another Cameron discussion. I love the idea that he sees the absolutely gorgeous Mackenzie Davis in this film and is like, "See, unlike Wonder Woman, this woman isn't attractive in the least." Or better yet, "The reason she is able to look absolutely perfect, not a hair out of place, is because she is artificial. See, this is a critique on Wonder Woman, who is artificial."

 

[TheVileOne]

I mean...I do think Davis does look kind of attractive with this look.

I like tough women who can fight.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I mean...I do think Davis does look kind of attractive with this look.

I like tough women who can fight.

I think she looks fantastic. But this just goes back to Cameron taking really dumb shots at Wonder Woman. Talking about how he knows how to represent a woman properly. In comparison to a woman named Patty Jenkins.

 

[Mandon Knight]

yeah, but Cameron is a d**k....

 

[2kt09]

Why progress things when you can just rehash the things you already did 3 times over?

Because
1) slasher
2) sequel in general
3) the same 3 characters make up this entire series

 

[-JKR-]

Bashing James Cameron is a popular sport nowadays, I see.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Bashing James Cameron is a popular sport nowadays, I see.

I still like Cameron. I don't really have a problem with a lot he says today, but the Wonder Woman thing was so blindingly dumb, I don't see what is wrong with pointing it out. Especially when he is big part of this film.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Bashing James Cameron is a popular sport nowadays, I see.

Not just nowadays....he's specialised in being a d**k for a long time.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Man, that was easier than I thought:


Christian Bale Will Never Work with McG Again

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