Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

[Spider-Fan]

Eh, I mean T2 ruined the mystique then if that’s the case. Terminators learning to be human was like the entire emotional core of that movie.

I liked Carl personally and the movie should’ve just put more focus on him from the beginning. There was a cool, existentialist sorta action film here. The inescapable nature of our pasts and futures and how they collide. They really missed the mark by just diluting the first two flicks sadly.

That was different because of them toying with the chip and teaching it to be human. This reformed Terminator was just a standard Terminator. Here, it just suddenly felt bad because....science. I can't say I love that. Plus, it really feels like it was done to be funny.

 

[TheVileOne]

It felt bad because all of it happened offscreen and we never actually saw or experienced it. Being told by Arnold the T-800 developed a conscious and learned right from wrong on its own sounds ridiculous. Seeing it play out in T2 was subtle and believable.

 

[Iceman]

That was different because of them toying with the chip and teaching it to be human. This reformed Terminator was just a standard Terminator. Here, it just suddenly felt bad because....science. I can't say I love that. Plus, it really feels like it was done to be funny.

I’m confident that this idea was conceived primarily for comedy material.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Yeah, I do agree that hearing about Carl’s development rather than seeing it was a huge misstep.

 

[DyeLorean]

The idea of a killer robot without a purpose is great. It was just buried underneath the same crap of the previous movies (oh another Terminator, oh another Skynet, oh another 'Sarah Conor' and so on) so they didn't do anything with it.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Finally got around to seeing this tonight and really enjoyed it. I thought the story did a good job of concisely building it's concept off the back of the victory we saw for Sarah, John and the T-800 in T2. It presented an alternate technological takeover without detracting from the events of the first 2 classic movies and progressed a well paced chase movie from there.

After becoming a parody in T3 and Genysis the T-800 regained some dignity here, this was an Unforgiven/Shootist type send off for the character. I also thought Sarah was a lot better than the stiff clips in the trailers (more on that later), it was a performance very similar to how Jamie Lee Curtis played the older, world weary Laurie Strode. Of the 3 newcomers I thought Grace was ok, the Rev-9 was a cool concept for the action but Gabriel Luna was flat, Natalia Reyes was the standout of the 3, Dani's a little firecracker but with a real empathy to her.

The action sequences were pretty spectacular, the trailers did a disservice to the freeway chase which flowed really well with several cool moments in it, and the entire sequence that starts at the airport with the Rev-9 in a chopper chasing the heroes to the cargo plane and the ensuing aerial chsse that culminated with a cool zero gravity fight aboard the cargo plane. The finale showdown was also crisply shot and thankfully only had 1 cool false finish, while the actual taking out of the Rev-9 was satisfying in it's own right.

The marketing for this shows the double edged sworasof trailers as we always complain about trailers giving away too much, but this movies trailers hid a lot of the best action and some of the stronger character elements, leaning too heavily on the fact Arine and Linda Hamilton were back in tandem and leaving the film looking more generic and cold than it actually is.

I really liked the look of the future war stuff with Grace and her unit battling the tentacled Terminators, I would like to see a sequel with her and Dani fighting the Legion in that future, shame the box office for Dark Fate means we probably won't see it.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[MadVillainy]

Sure. Could be cool

 

[Detective Conan]

Sounds like it could be cool.

 

[henzINNIT]

That was different because of them toying with the chip and teaching it to be human.

Bear in mind this is only in the Extended Edition. In the theatrical cut (and presumably canon version) of T2, the Terminator will automatically learn from humans. No chip messing necessary.

 

[Pennywise]

Sweet!

 

[Detective Conan]

Here’s a thread to discuss the anime series:

 

[Spider-Fan]

Bear in mind this is only in the Extended Edition. In the theatrical cut (and presumably canon version) of T2, the Terminator will automatically learn from humans. No chip messing necessary.

I only watch the extended

 

[henzINNIT]

I only watch the extended

The extra scenes are nice, but the theatrical is a better movie. I normally watch that one.

 

[Schlosser85]

I prefer the extended edition of T2. It's not a huge difference, but I like the Michael Biehn cameo, plus including the scene where T-1000 goes outside and sees John lied about the dog's name gives more explanation why he wasn't just waiting at the house for him, and it gives slightly more character development for Dyson.

 

[Doctor Jones]

An anime? Not interested. Unless it truly redeems the franchise and at this point I really am so burned out to care. I like Dark Fate okay, but it didn't exactly rekindle my desire to see more.

 

[Vaibow]

only way I would invest in it again is if it wasn't a studio movie....

 

[Schlosser85]

For the love of God, let it die....

 

[PepS]

Only things that would pull me back in at this stage, is Cameron returning to direct and the story being an Endgame type scenario, where all the timelines passing through the movies past T2 are eradicated from existence.

 

[Schlosser85]

Genisys and Dark Fate both already basically did that. Without Cameron directing, but I don't think he's been interested in that since 1991.

 

[PepS]

Yeah, but it always annoyed me how Genisys basically erased T1 and T2, while Dark Fate went and crapped on what came before it in T1 and T2 and then went on to do it's own thing.

Though to be fair, after the quality and success of T2, it was always quite likely going to be hard to come back and top that, even with the original director.

Cameron did say that he had an idea for a T3 back around 1995, but then Titanic came along and his interest went elsewhere.

 

[PepS]

I prefer the extended edition of T2. It's not a huge difference, but I like the Michael Biehn cameo, plus including the scene where T-1000 goes outside and sees John lied about the dog's name gives more explanation why he wasn't just waiting at the house for him, and it gives slightly more character development for Dyson.

I agree with this. For me, this is the movie now, as opposed to the original theatrical cut.

 

[Schlosser85]

I agree with this. For me, this is the movie now, as opposed to the original theatrical cut.

It's the same way I feel about Cameron's director's cut of Aliens. The revelation added in about Ripley losing her daughter gives so much extra context and meaning to her bonding with Newt at the expense of, what, adding like two minutes to the runtime?

 

[TheVileOne]

That's generally Cameron's philosophy. I recall on the extended cut of Abyss DVD, Cameron said if he deletes scenes, he would prefer to delete entire subplots.

 

[DyeLorean]

It really bothers me that with so many sequels and reboots they didn't use the original Endoskeleton a lot more, look at that nightmare fuel right there.

The amount of horror similar to the original film that they could've done (besides a very small sequence in Genisys) could've been a nice change from the action overload that plagued the sequels.