Terminator: Genisys - Part 6

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I think you're confused... Kyle Reese was ALWAYS the father of John Connor. As has been mentioned, John Connor is the product of a predestination paradox. Nothing in any of the films even hints at any other scenario. Quite the opposite actually, they specifically state that the only reason John Connor ever existed in the first place was because Kyle Reese was sent back in time to protect Sarah Connor, who was targeted for termination because of who her son would become. Without Kyle Reese, John Connor would never have been born. The irony is that the machines never realized they were the ones ultimately responsible for their own demise by sending the terminator back in time in the first place. They inadvertently created exactly what they wanted to stop.

Yep, I have never got this thinking that someone else was John Connors father previously, it always has been and always will be Kyle Reese, hence the line at the end of T1 from Sarah"if you don't send Kyle you can never be...." Kyle Reese is John Connors father and no one else.
 
Wow, Emilia Clarke looks so different with the short hair she has now.

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God that woman is all different kinds of sexy. It's frustrating.
 
I saw this movie today on my neighbors front lawn after he let his dog out.
 
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So Arnie did actually walk through the mirror and bus flip was actually done for real.

Some posters here are looking really stupid right about now.:sly:
 
I think you're confused... Kyle Reese was ALWAYS the father of John Connor. As has been mentioned, John Connor is the product of a predestination paradox. Nothing in any of the films even hints at any other scenario. Quite the opposite actually, they specifically state that the only reason John Connor ever existed in the first place was because Kyle Reese was sent back in time to protect Sarah Connor, who was targeted for termination because of who her son would become. Without Kyle Reese, John Connor would never have been born. The irony is that the machines never realized they were the ones ultimately responsible for their own demise by sending the terminator back in time in the first place. They inadvertently created exactly what they wanted to stop.

Yep, I have never got this thinking that someone else was John Connors father previously, it always has been and always will be Kyle Reese, hence the line at the end of T1 from Sarah"if you don't send Kyle you can never be...." Kyle Reese is John Connors father and no one else.

But that's the thing with Terminator 3 slightly changing the future, it means it wasn't a predestination paradox because the future can indeed change the past, a predestination paradox would mean that the past and future were directly tied and couldn't change each other. What i've been saying all this time is that T-3 should have followed this predestination loop, because the events of T-2 changing Judgement day means that Kyle impregnating Sarah also changed who John Connor was.

Kyle always being John's father would have meant that there's one single timeline, however, that's clearly not the case in the Terminator universe:

http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/The_Terminator_timeline

There are multiple timelines, and i remember McG even saying that in Terminator Salvation, in order to make sence of this all, the John Connor we saw in that film was not the same that the Kyle Reese from T-1 originaly knew.

Acording to T-3, the events of T-1, which lead to what we see in T-2 lead to the timeline being changed and the Judgement Day being delayed, however, that also heavily implies that there was at one point a Timeline A where Kyle was not John's father.

WHat i'm saying is that i don't realy like how they went with this, i would have prefered if they had gone with the idea that Kyle Reese was always going to be John's father and that there's only a single timeline. However, from all we've seen, that's clearly not the case.
 
But that's the thing with Terminator 3 slightly changing the future, it means it wasn't a predestination paradox because the future can indeed change the past, a predestination paradox would mean that the past and future were directly tied and couldn't change each other. What i've been saying all this time is that T-3 should have followed this predestination loop, because the events of T-2 changing Judgement day means that Kyle impregnating Sarah also changed who John Connor was.

Kyle always being John's father would have meant that there's one single timeline, however, that's clearly not the case in the Terminator universe:

http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/The_Terminator_timeline

There are multiple timelines, and i remember McG even saying that in Terminator Salvation, in order to make sence of this all, the John Connor we saw in that film was not the same that the Kyle Reese from T-1 originaly knew.

Acording to T-3, the events of T-1, which lead to what we see in T-2 lead to the timeline being changed and the Judgement Day being delayed, however, that also heavily implies that there was at one point a Timeline A where Kyle was not John's father.

WHat i'm saying is that i don't realy like how they went with this, i would have prefered if they had gone with the idea that Kyle Reese was always going to be John's father and that there's only a single timeline. However, from all we've seen, that's clearly not the case.

But the John Connor in T3 was the same one in T2, Judge,net Day being delayed doesn't change who John is as a person and where he came from.
 
These endoskeletons always look so cheerful.
 
I just need this movie to come out so I can f***ing ignore it. At this point, it's impossible. Every time I pop onto CBM to check the latest superhero headlines, I see something akin to the following:

457 AWESOME NEW STILLS FROM TERMINATOR GENYSIS PLUS 28 COOL CLIPS AND 14 BADASS NEW TRAILERS AND ANOTHER SICK VIDEO OF ARNOLD SCARING PEOPLE.

Enough already. I just need this movie to be released, get trashed by critics and underperform so I can forget that it exists.
 
My Lawd, that negativity.

Some posters here are looking really stupid right about now.:sly:

Not really, his head still looks CG. They may have filmed it and it didn't look right.
 
Give me something to be positive about, and I'll stop being negative.
 
I'm not Paramount Pictures.

If you want to forget it exists, don't read about it. It really isn't impossible, just don't click.
 
You want something positive just so you can forget that it exists? :o
 
The world would be a better place if everyone just believed in the Power of Positivity.
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I'm still debating if the movie will be worth paying to go see or if I should just wait till rental. ugh...
 
But the John Connor in T3 was the same one in T2, Judge,net Day being delayed doesn't change who John is as a person and where he came from.

I never said he wasn't. The time loop couldn't possibly make young John Connor from T-2 be a different person than the John Connor from T-3, that makes no sence...

Judgement day being delayed means the future can alter the past, which is what happened, a predestination loop would mean that the judgement day couldn't be delayed or changed, which isn't what happened. It's not that complicated, in the films we see that people from the future coming back to the past alters the timeline, that means there was a timeline where Kyle Reese wasn't John Connor's father, which means he was a different person then. McG even went with this logic when making Terminator Salvation.
 
I think T3 was right to have Judgment Day occur. It was just handled rather lazily.
 
I never said he wasn't. The time loop couldn't possibly make young John Connor from T-2 be a different person than the John Connor from T-3, that makes no sence...

Judgement day being delayed means the future can alter the past, which is what happened, a predestination loop would mean that the judgement day couldn't be delayed or changed, which isn't what happened. It's not that complicated, in the films we see that people from the future coming back to the past alters the timeline, that means there was a timeline where Kyle Reese wasn't John Connor's father, which means he was a different person then. McG even went with this logic when making Terminator Salvation.

Sorry but using McG to support your argument isnt the best idea, and in these movies Kyle was and will always be the father of JC. I think that's why I preferred T3 over TS, it didn't mess with the mythology and was just a simple action movie for people to enjoy. TS got so much of the mythology wrong it was silly. There have been alternate timelines, but non of that stopped judgement day happening so I don't see why it would alter who JC's father was.
 
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