Terminator: Genisys - Part 7

[P Supreme]

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So how the F did Sarah and Pops build a time machine in 1984?

I nearly walked out when

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t-1000 could have killed Kyle as soon as he met him

but decided just to stare at him

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Terminator Genisys wasnt a complete misfire for me,it offers solid SFX,action sequences ,some cool nods to previous
Terminator films and the man himself Arnold Schwarzenegger. Jai Courtney is serviceable in his role as Kyle Reese and
Emilia Clarke was more likeable in her role as Sarah Connor
When the film enters its second hour i started to pick it apart in my mind questioning the actions of the characters and their
placement at key points in the film.Most of it didnt add up leading to jumbled outcomes.
Even the mid credits scene didnt mean much to me
I found it better than the last 2 Terminator films though

Scale of 1-10 a 7

I agree completely.

I enjoyed the film unabashedly until they meet cyber John Connor. Then I started to question the character's choices and the role of John Connor.

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The characters were so gung ho to destroy the new John Connor and Genesys but they had only been in the future for 40 minutes. So many unknowns yet they can't stop shooting and blowing stuff up.

What if John Connor changed the purpose of Genesys to help humanity? That thought kept crossing my mind.

I also didn't buy John Connor as the bad guy.

He would say things like "you don't understand" and "all you know how to do is shoot at what you can't comprehend" so I kept expecting John Connor to be revealed as an evolved version of Skynet who was still fighting the good fight. I was disappointed to realize John Connor was reduced to a terminator with no higher purpose other than to protect the evil Skynet.

But the first half is so thrilling and fun that I give the movie a solid 7 anyway. But maintaining John Connor's hero status would've went a long way.

 

[Mysteryman]

i rather enjoyed it

You are not alone.

 

[P Supreme]

so what was the after credit scene?

 

[Golgo-13]

so what was the after credit scene?

Skynet was still functioning under the rubble.

 

[John McGuirk]

With Jim Cameron peeing on it.

 

[Mysteryman]

Nope.

 

[Dr. Remy Lebeau]

I didn't hate it, but I didn't love it either. Here's my full review:

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[Lily Adler]

I agree completely.

I enjoyed the film unabashedly until they meet cyber John Connor. Then I started to question the character's choices and the role of John Connor.

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The characters were so gung ho to destroy the new John Connor and Genesys but they had only been in the future for 40 minutes. So many unknowns yet they can't stop shooting and blowing stuff up.

What if John Connor changed the purpose of Genesys to help humanity? That thought kept crossing my mind.

I also didn't buy John Connor as the bad guy.

He would say things like "you don't understand" and "all you know how to do is shoot at what you can't comprehend" so I kept expecting John Connor to be revealed as an evolved version of Skynet who was still fighting the good fight. I was disappointed to realize John Connor was reduced to a terminator with no higher purpose other than to protect the evil Skynet.

But the first half is so thrilling and fun that I give the movie a solid 7 anyway. But maintaining John Connor's hero status would've went a long way.

Making John Connor the personification of Skynet would have been interesting.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Making John Connor the personification of Skynet would have been interesting.

I don't see the point.

 

[henzINNIT]

Saw this film earlier. It was about as bad as I expected, but I was surprised to see a few things that worked.

Arnold as an aged Terminator worked much better than I thought it would. He's still tough, and is far more restrained than T3 when it comes to humour. His fatherly role was not exactly new ground, but the film managed to squeeze some new material out of it. He played Arnie's new role as gadget man and voice of exposition was a decent turn for the character, and his aging/breaking down between time travel jumps was kind of melancholy and sweet at the same time.

JK Simmons was great if under-used. I liked Jason Clarke as John Connor and the villain later, though what he became was so unclear it was hard to get a read on the character. The effects were great for the most part, really impressive compared to the trailers. There are some fun sequences and details. future stuff, Arnie vs. Arnie, so cool to see the time travel device for the first time etc.

Sadly, there is a laundry list of problems that squash any potential the film had.

The script is pretty dire. Time travel needs to make some kind of sense, at least in the context of the story, and the film doesn't even try. Nor does it try to establish any rules so the audience can understand the stakes. The hero plot is the same as always (note fate, lets blow up skynet!) with absolutely no attempt to be inventive; only it's picked up a lot of convoluted time travel baggage this time around. There are a ton of recycled ideas at play here, and not just in the direct homages.

Courtney is as terrible as everyone expected. Kyle is now a *****e, and has no chemistry with Sarah. This is a film derailing issue. Speaking of Sarah, Clarke was okay but never quite convinced as a tough as nails character. Seeing these new guys next to the mainstay Arnold just serves as a constant reminder of the original faces from superior work. By the same token, the film is slavish to some continuity details but tramples others. It all amounts to a sense of artefice throughout. It's like fan fiction.

All in all the film was bad, though not as bad as Salvation. With a tighter script and another actor playing Kyle Reese, this could have been a solid movie.

 

[flickchick85]

Well, against my better judgement, I saw this today. And yeah, it made no sense. The leads were indeed woefully miscast, but honestly, their actual performances weren't as bad as expected. That didn't matter though, because the script was even worse than imagined. I say again, it made no damn sense. Things happened that they just hoped we wouldn't remember well enough to expect explanations on, the characters were unable to piece together the obvious for the sake of plot convenience, and there were holes you could drive a truck through. The action and direction was bland as hell, too.

The only elements I actively enjoyed were Arnold (he was SO much better here than in T3) and J.K. Simmons. And the opening half hour. I always enjoy a glimpse of the post-Judgement Day future when it doesn't look like Salvation.

 

[Octoberist]

I don't hate Genisys but it's probably the most 'meh' movie I've seen this year.

 

[spiderman2]

So a few questions is this movie even going to make a profit at all? I have heard it is doing really bad and I think it may end up losing money over all. Also I have only seen terminator 1 and 2 like 2 times each and they are really good movies and I have thought about buying them before and I know there are a few different versions on bluray. Witch bluray version of 1 and 2 looks the best?

 

[Serpico Jones]

So a few questions is this movie even going to make a profit at all? I have heard it is doing really bad and I think it may end up losing money over all. Also I have only seen terminator 1 and 2 like 2 times each and they are really good movies and I have thought about buying them before and I know there are a few different versions on bluray. Witch bluray version of 1 and 2 looks the best?

It's made $130m worldwide. International numbers should stay strong which likely means this is headed for Pacific Rim territory.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

It's doing pretty bad in North America. It probably won't even hit 100 million. But we don't know how much it will make overseas. The overseas box office could minimize the damage but a sequel seems unlikely at this point.

Again, it'll come down to the overseas box office.

 

[Serpico Jones]

They way I understood the time travel is Matt Smith's character is able to travel through dimensions and he corrupts a certain character and that sets up an alternate timeline that Reese is able to somewhat glimpse while he's traveling through time.

 

[Serpico Jones]

It's doing pretty bad in North America. It probably won't even hit 100 million. But we don't know how much it will make overseas. The overseas box office could minimize the damage but a sequel seems unlikely at this point.

Again, it'll come down to the overseas box office.

Paramount expects it to make around $400m overseas according to Variety.

 

[spiderman2]

It's doing pretty bad in North America. It probably won't even hit 100 million. But we don't know how much it will make overseas. The overseas box office could minimize the damage but a sequel seems unlikely at this point.

Again, it'll come down to the overseas box office.

Yeah I heard that it may not even hit 100 million USA and for a movie that cost what 200 million or so to not make 100 million is bad.

Paramount expects it to make around $400m overseas according to Variety.

While that is more then I was thinking lol. I wonder how much money this movie has to make to make a profit. Lets say the movie makes 400 overseas and 100 million USA for 500 WW would that make the movie a profit at all after budget and marketing and such?

 

[spiderman2]

It's made $130m worldwide. International numbers should stay strong which likely means this is headed for Pacific Rim territory.

How much did Pacific rim make and what was its budget like compared to this movie?

 

[Primal Slayer]

It's already been produced by 4 different studios, so even if it doesn't do well at the BO, I am sure another one will pick up the rights for another film down the road.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Yeah I heard that it may not even hit 100 million USA and for a movie that cost what 200 million or so to not make 100 million is bad.



While that is more then I was thinking lol. I wonder how much money this movie has to make to make a profit. Lets say the movie makes 400 overseas and 100 million USA for 500 WW would that make the movie a profit at all after budget and marketing and such?

Usually a movie needs around 2.5 times the budget for a sequel but there are a few expceptions to that rule.

Alot of other things can come into play like product placement, location tax write offs, high merchandise sales, high VOD/HV sales, etc. These can offset a disappointing box office take.

 

[spiderman2]

It's already been produced by 4 different studios, so even if it doesn't do well at the BO, I am sure another one will pick up the rights for another film down the road.

That is true but it would mean no sequel then to this movie right? More of a reboot.

Usually a movie needs around 2.5 times the budget for a sequel but there are a few expceptions to that rule.

Alot of other things can come into play like product placement, location tax write offs, high merchandise sales, high VOD/HV sales, etc. These can offset a disappointing box office take.

Yeah I have heard something like that before.

 

[Loki882]

I thought that Lee Byung-han was also great as the T-1000. He even managed to nail down Robert Patrick's distinctive manner of walking from T2. I wish that he had been in more of the movie as we..

 

[jmc]

Why are some of you still wasting your money on this film?