Terminator: Genisys - Part 7

[SpitCurl]

Yeh thats it really. There is so much more that went into the first Terminator movies that makes them great films, they can add blue lighting and recreate scenes but it still doesnt get us any closer to what made the originals so great.

Unfortunately, I don't think you're going to see that level of commitment or understanding nowadays. Even if you could find someone on Cameron's level at that stage in his career, I'm not sure a studio/producer would feel comfortable with them. More than likely, you'll get someone who can deliver "cool" moments without a thought to deeper meaning or context, which means lots of disparate moments that look (sort of) great but mean nada.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

It's over for this franchise.

Not everything can stay good forever.

I look forward to a dozen other things. I'm happier than a pig in....mud.

 

[Alien Anal]

This is a post on the terminatorfiles.net forum that I have copied and pasted. I think what this person is saying is all very true and really highlights some of the problems with the later Terminator films.

"Am I like the only one to feel that? Am I becoming an old ****? I feel like, all Terminator movies except of 1 and 2 lack some kind of epic drama, human feelings, I don’t know how to explain it, a soul.

In the T1 the drama element was about Humans fighting and ready to do whatever it takes, sacrifice their lives for the future of Mankind. You see movie full of emotions, check these scenes from future, where you see men chasing and eating rats, women crying, but still these tough spirited soldiers who don’t flinch facing merciless and soulless robotic assassins.

In the T2 you see a cyborg, basically a living computer to which a Human program had been uploaded. And more it lives with humans, more it learns of Human ethics, and applies it with robotic unstoppableness. You actually see human ethics work through the Machine. T2 is full of really powerful emotional scenes: scene where John wants to free his mother from Pescadero Clinic, where he cries in the car, because Sarah is surprisingly cold to him, extremely emotional and serious scene in Miles Dyson’s house, where Sarah, knowing that she must kill the creator of Skynet, knowing the future still is not able to kill an innocent human being, scene with John and Sarah which follows right after, where Sarah feels divided, and regrets her weakness, and where John says how much he loves his mother exactly for her humanity and mercifulness. By the way very powerful character of Miles Dyson, who had consecrated all his life to develop Skynet, and who is ready to sacrifice his own life to destroy it only several hours after having learned what it will do with Mankind, and the death of Dyson is very dramatic. Than take Terminators final fight in this factory. It’s very epic and dramatic, with excellent music, you feel like seeing fight of Titans from Greek tragedy, one is fighting to save Humanity and another to destroy it. T-800 revival scene is epic!

And after having watched every single Terminator movie right after it was produced, I have found that all of them had lost this drama, this seriousness, this deep meaning. They all become some kind of soulless, special effect, money machine blockbusters."

 

[Serpico Jones]

I think that's very accurate. You care about the characters in the first two movies, in the latter films it's just a bunch of characters running from one action scene to the next.

 

[LostSon88]

It dropped the drama after T2 and turned the series into straight up action movies.

There's no real weight or gravitas to the last 3 films because the characters are either not taking the situation serious enough (T3 & Genisys) or they're taking it too serious (Salvation).

With the Cameron series, you took their mission seriously because the characters did. T3 and Genysis had the T-800 in Elton John sunglasses and practicing smiling. Salvation, the characters took the mission so serious that they just wearn't very likable and could care less if they succeeded.

Again, I like the last 3 films but they are no comparison to the first two. The first two treated the premise with a certain level of respect that the next 3 frankly, did not.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Both T2 and T3 had humor but T2 made the character endearing and T3 seemed to be a parody of T2.

 

[Val_Zod]

Unfortunately, I don't think you're going to see that level of commitment or understanding nowadays. Even if you could find someone on Cameron's level at that stage in his career, I'm not sure a studio/producer would feel comfortable with them. More than likely, you'll get someone who can deliver "cool" moments without a thought to deeper meaning or context, which means lots of disparate moments that look (sort of) great but mean nada.

We just did this year with Mad Max Fury Road. It just takes one person to drive on with a vision, and idea and excel it. I still believe there exist this level of commitment to projects,and not in just the surface level.

 

[Alien Anal]

Both T2 and T3 had humor but T2 made the character endearing and T3 seemed to be a parody of T2.

I keep seeing people say that T2 had humor but I think because I have seen it so many freaken times that it just goes over my head.

What are the moments of humor in T2 that stand along side T3s humor?

 

[titansupes]

I keep seeing people say that T2 had humor but I think because I have seen it so many freaken times that it just goes over my head.

What are the moments of humor in T2 that stand along side T3s humor?

Oh, there's definitely humour in T2. Bad to the Bone playing when he takes the bike, which would be criticized like crazy if it were in T3/4/5.

And of course John telling him to stand on one leg, and him just leaving it up there until John says to put it down later. Actually, a lot of his interactions with John aka teaching him slang in the car, the high five where he hurts John's hand etc.

 

[Alien Anal]

Ok cool. See I think those scenes are funny but they arent played as a joke like the scenes we get in T3/4/5.

As with any comedy in a film it realize heavily on timing and context. Those moments you mentioned are at a time when the T800 is becoming more human and Sarah is turning more machine like. They aren't just a straight up jokes like the **** we get in T3/4/5..as for Bad to the bone..well it just works.

 

[-JKR-]

There's humor in T4? XD

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

While I was surprised at how much I enjoyed the movie, I liked the movie more than I thought I would, I can't help thinking this could have been something really special with a different director.

I don't think Taylor is bad, his work on GOT is great, and TDW was just as much Marvels fault as his, but imagine what someone like Doug Liman would have done with this concept? As I really think the concept was solid enough.

 

[Alien Anal]

If we are replacing director may as well replace script..and actors..and anything else involved with TG

 

[titansupes]

Ok cool. See I think those scenes are funny but they arent played as a joke like the scenes we get in T3/4/5.

As with any comedy in a film it realize heavily on timing and context. Those moments you mentioned are at a time when the T800 is becoming more human and Sarah is turning more machine like. They aren't just a straight up jokes like the **** we get in T3/4/5..as for Bad to the bone..well it just works.

Keep in mind I'm not against any of those moments I mentioned, I really like all of them.

Well, I'm 50/50 on Bad to the Bone, anyway... t:

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If we are replacing director may as well replace script..and actors..and anything else involved with TG

The director didn't write the script, and I thought the cast were fine, didn't have a problem with any of them except Jason Clarke as the bad JC. He was great as the good JC though strangely. I think someone like Liman would have made a much tighter movie while delivering with the action as well.

 

[Tg11]

I thought that Jason Clarke was awesome as both the good and evil John Connor playing 2 sides to one character like when is the last time that was ever done in a Terminator film especially in the same film

Especially seeing the Dysons both Miles and his son Danny but shouldn't Danny have been closer in age with John? Especially since in T2 Danny wasn't all that much younger than John maybe like a couple or a few years max but still

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I thought that Jason Clarke was awesome as both the good and evil John Connor playing 2 sides to one character like when is the last time that was ever done in a Terminator film especially in the same film

Especially seeing the Dysons both Miles and his son Danny but shouldn't Danny have been closer in age with John? Especially since in T2 Danny wasn't all that much younger than John maybe like a couple or a few years max but still

I like Jason Clarke as an actor and was happy when he got the role. As good John he totally convinced me I had no doubts about him. But when he turned bad I just wasn't convinced by him, my friend who I went with thought the same as well. It was good to see a bad Terminator that could totally dominate the T-800, but just something about the performance when he turned bad was off.

 

[Kane52630]

While I was surprised at how much I enjoyed the movie, I liked the movie more than I thought I would, I can't help thinking this could have been something really special with a different director.

I don't think Taylor is bad, his work on GOT is great, and TDW was just as much Marvels fault as his, but imagine what someone like Doug Liman would have done with this concept? As I really think the concept was solid enough.

A different director and different cast would have worked wonders.

 

[Serpico Jones]

I think if they move forward with a sequel they almost certainly will hire a new director. They could also set the next film 5 or 10 years into the future so they can replace Sarah Connor with an older actress. I can pretty much guarantee Jai Courtney won't be back.

 

[Mandon Knight]

How much WW would it have to make to 'guarantee' a second film in new proposed trilogy ? $131m WW as we speak, evidently budget was $155m, so I'm thinking $350m WW total at least ?

 

[Loki882]

This is a post on the terminatorfiles.net forum that I have copied and pasted. I think what this person is saying is all very true and really highlights some of the problems with the later Terminator films.

"Am I like the only one to feel that? Am I becoming an old ****? I feel like, all Terminator movies except of 1 and 2 lack some kind of epic drama, human feelings, I don’t know how to explain it, a soul.

In the T1 the drama element was about Humans fighting and ready to do whatever it takes, sacrifice their lives for the future of Mankind. You see movie full of emotions, check these scenes from future, where you see men chasing and eating rats, women crying, but still these tough spirited soldiers who don’t flinch facing merciless and soulless robotic assassins.

In the T2 you see a cyborg, basically a living computer to which a Human program had been uploaded. And more it lives with humans, more it learns of Human ethics, and applies it with robotic unstoppableness. You actually see human ethics work through the Machine. T2 is full of really powerful emotional scenes: scene where John wants to free his mother from Pescadero Clinic, where he cries in the car, because Sarah is surprisingly cold to him, extremely emotional and serious scene in Miles Dyson’s house, where Sarah, knowing that she must kill the creator of Skynet, knowing the future still is not able to kill an innocent human being, scene with John and Sarah which follows right after, where Sarah feels divided, and regrets her weakness, and where John says how much he loves his mother exactly for her humanity and mercifulness. By the way very powerful character of Miles Dyson, who had consecrated all his life to develop Skynet, and who is ready to sacrifice his own life to destroy it only several hours after having learned what it will do with Mankind, and the death of Dyson is very dramatic. Than take Terminators final fight in this factory. It’s very epic and dramatic, with excellent music, you feel like seeing fight of Titans from Greek tragedy, one is fighting to save Humanity and another to destroy it. T-800 revival scene is epic!

And after having watched every single Terminator movie right after it was produced, I have found that all of them had lost this drama, this seriousness, this deep meaning. They all become some kind of soulless, special effect, money machine blockbusters."

My only real complaint about the writing in T2 was the clinic/Dr. Silberman stuff. And that's more in relation to the first movie than specifically with this one.

 

[spider-neil]

For me, this movie is tying with Tomorrowland for worst movie of the year.

 

[terry78]

Tomorrowland wasn't bad, I just think it wasn't what people expected. Bird's direction was good, but the thing was a little experimental.

 

[Lencho01]

Box Office: 6 Reasons 'Terminator Genisys' Bombed (In America)

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think if they move forward with a sequel they almost certainly will hire a new director. They could also set the next film 5 or 10 years into the future so they can replace Sarah Connor with an older actress. I can pretty much guarantee Jai Courtney won't be back.

I think if this does big numbers over seas a sequel may happen and all of the cast will be back, they signed 3 picture deals after all.