Terminator: Genisys

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We're half-way there! He's already got white blood in the Strain.
 
Loki882 said:
Oh I'm not saying that you cannot do an intense PG-13 movie. Heck Christopher Nolan has made a career out of it, and TWS also proved that again last year. And the fourth Die Hard movie (which I admittedly liked) proves that you CAN take an R-rated franchise, make it PG-13, and still have it be a big success. But that film seems to be one of the very few exceptions. And the whole idea just seems rather pointless imo.
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give us 5 scenes. yeah lets say 5 scenes from 2005 to 2012. that will do. thank you.
 
titansupes said:
^ I do agree. History shows bringing an R-rated blockbuster down to PG-13 rarely works, if ever. Usually results in gutting the thing. However, I do believe that with the right people making it, a PG-13 movie can be every bit as intense as something R. Look at TDK.
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This reminds me of Expendables 3 getting an "unrated" cut on Blu-Ray. Despite being leaked onto the internet early (and therefore the reason it was blamed for poor box office business, instead of actually blaming the film itself) it shows at least someone in charge realizes that fans don't want an R-Rated franchise watered down to pull in a bigger audience because it clearly does not work.
 
EX3 was bad. I dont think because of the PG13 rating. The first had an R rating and it sucked even worse than EX3.

The Expendables 3 problem was that it sidelined the main cast we all wanted to see for most of the movie
 
I haven't seen it yet to know but what I meant was that instead of blaming the movie for being bad they blamed movie piracy for fewer ticket sales. I also think that it's related to taking an R-rated franchise and turning it into a more family-friendly one with the PG-13 rating hurt it from a creative standpoint and further marred the film. Not that the Expendables movies ever had great writing or anything but they also aren't the kind of movie you go to see for the story.

Who wants to see a movie series that was previously rated R and turned into a kiddie movie that is a shadow of the original?
 
I think a more relevant comparison would be following the R rated Conan The Barbarian with the PG rated Conan The Destroyer. The second movie had a good cast, a higher budget, an okay story, yet it tanked. Why?

IMHO, it's because they tried to turn it into a family friendly action comedy by taking out the gratuitous sex, toning down the violence, and forcing an obnoxious sidekick on Arnold as "comic relief". Incidentally, if you're going to add a character for comic relief, you should make sure that they're actually funny.
 
That is a better analogy and it even starred Arnold making it even more relevant than the Expendables franchise (despite him being a star in it, that was an ungainly ensemble cast with too many names).

Can anyone actually name a franchise that started with an R-rating and successfully transitioned into PG-13? There are plent of examples where it failed.
 
Was Raiders Of The Lost Ark PG or R? I know Temple Of Doom initiated the PG-13 rating, but there is some imagery and themes in the first movie that I think is better suited to an R rating (the nazis faces melting off for example).

I think Robocop was rated R, while it's sequels were toned down to PG-13. The fact that it had more than one sequel could be an argument that doing so could be successful. Plus it spawned a live action TV series, an animated TV series, a series of made for TV movies, a line of action figures, and a remake.

And wasn't T2 PG-13? It's certainly more family friendly than the original. While the level of violence is arguably on par with the original, the original did have a steamy love scene between Sara Connor and Kyle Reese (and we all know the double standard the MPAA has regarding sex and violence). Also, it's been a while since I've seen either film, but I don't recall any "F-bombs" being dropped in T2. I know the phrase "F**k you, a**hole" is repeated at least three times in the first movie.

I still think it's a mistake to make a PG sequel to an R rated movie, but on occasion it has been successful.
 
Teelie said:
That is a better analogy and it even starred Arnold making it even more relevant than the Expendables franchise (despite him being a star in it, that was an ungainly ensemble cast with too many names).

Can anyone actually name a franchise that started with an R-rating and successfully transitioned into PG-13? There are plent of examples where it failed.
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Robocop (2014)

Alien/Predator to AVP (even though everything after that was R, AVP still made a little bit of cash)
 
The Dark Knight, The Winter Soldier, Days of Future Past, etc., all have intense action scenes with PG-13 ratings, and the amount of stuff Temple of Doom got away with was controversial at the time, even with the new rating they created specifically for the movie, but to me a Terminator movie is meant to be rated R.

And wasn't T2 PG-13?
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No, T2 was rated R. 3 and 4 were PG-13. T2 was still pretty hardcore, violence-wise, even with no sex (though for that matter T3 had the Terminatrix ram a hand through a cop's back and out his chest and drive the car with the bloody hand, so I'm not sure where the line was between 2 and 3).
 
Thundarr said:
Was Raiders Of The Lost Ark PG or R? I know Temple Of Doom initiated the PG-13 rating, but there is some imagery and themes in the first movie that I think is better suited to an R rating (the nazis faces melting off for example).

I think Robocop was rated R, while it's sequels were toned down to PG-13. The fact that it had more than one sequel could be an argument that doing so could be successful. Plus it spawned a live action TV series, an animated TV series, a series of made for TV movies, a line of action figures, and a remake.

And wasn't T2 PG-13? It's certainly more family friendly than the original. While the level of violence is arguably on par with the original, the original did have a steamy love scene between Sara Connor and Kyle Reese (and we all know the double standard the MPAA has regarding sex and violence). Also, it's been a while since I've seen either film, but I don't recall any "F-bombs" being dropped in T2. I know the phrase "F**k you, a**hole" is repeated at least three times in the first movie.

I still think it's a mistake to make a PG sequel to an R rated movie, but on occasion it has been successful.
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It's funny because I was typing my post almost half an hour ago and i forgot to post it so my post came after yours but I was going to say the same thing...

Raiders was originally rated R due to Indy's clothes being soaked in blood at the end, and when some of the blood splatted on the windshield, but Steven and the studios obviously wanted a PG rating for families so they changed Indy's shirt and lowered the blood amount on the windshield.

Transformers and The Avengers were rated R when they were originally screened to the rating boards so I guess they fall in the same category, but technically all were released either PG or PG-13.

I remember the MPAA warned Nolan/WB based on early photos/filmimg that Two Face was going to make TDK R rated along with the fake Batman hanging, but after the first initial screening it was given a PG-13 on it's first screening/edit.

Funny how Avengers got an R rating on it's first screening though.
 
PalmerTheThing said:
Robocop (2014)

Alien/Predator to AVP (even though everything after that was R, AVP still made a little bit of cash)
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Note I said successful. Robocop is iffy at best. The movie was not a solid hit with anyone even if it made a profit. The chances of a sequel aren't high. AVP was equally awful and most people see it as killing the respective franchises. AVP2 was a desperate last gasp.

One other thing is Robocop itself had this R to PG-13 treatment in the original franchise and it killed it. The reboot is a direct result of their failure to capitalize and continue the original franchise from that disaster.
 
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Thundarr said:
And wasn't T2 PG-13? It's certainly more family friendly than the original. While the level of violence is arguably on par with the original, the original did have a steamy love scene between Sara Connor and Kyle Reese (and we all know the double standard the MPAA has regarding sex and violence). Also, it's been a while since I've seen either film, but I don't recall any "F-bombs" being dropped in T2. I know the phrase "F**k you, a**hole" is repeated at least three times in the first movie.
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Just quickly checking IMDB, there's a fair bit of swearing in T2. The step-father about the dog "Shut up, you piece of ****!"/"Tell John to get rid of the ****ing mutt", John telling people "Chill out, ****wad", Sarah crying to Dyson "It's all your fault, mother ****er", Dyson yelling "I didn't build the ****ing thing!" etc.
 
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Damnit guys, T2 has children being immolated in a nuclear explosion. That scene alone would never let it get a PG-13.

Hopefully when the rights revert to Cameron in five years, it goes to TV where they get away with a lot more.
 
Schlosser85 said:
The Dark Knight, The Winter Soldier, Days of Future Past, etc., all have intense action scenes with PG-13 ratings, and the amount of stuff Temple of Doom got away with was controversial at the time, even with the new rating they created specifically for the movie, but to me a Terminator movie is meant to be rated R.



No, T2 was rated R. 3 and 4 were PG-13. T2 was still pretty hardcore, violence-wise, even with no sex (though for that matter T3 had the Terminatrix ram a hand through a cop's back and out his chest and drive the car with the bloody hand, so I'm not sure where the line was between 2 and 3).
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Terminator 3 was also rated R.
 
God Damn i want to see the trailer for this. I want to see the tone and colors they are using.
 
If I recall T2 was only restricted to kids below 12 like Robocop ( i saw it with my father back in the day in theater ). Edit : in France.
AFAIC T2 is a "kid" movie next to T1 with the whole teen John stuff.
 
dude love said:
Hopefully when the rights revert to Cameron in five years, it goes to TV where they get away with a lot more.
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A HBO show with the budget of Game of Thrones and Cameron showrunning?

mydreamshow.exe
 
titansupes said:
Just quickly checking IMDB, there's a fair bit of swearing in T2. The step-father about the dog "Shut up, you piece of ****!"/"Tell John to get rid of the ****ing mutt", John telling people "Chill out, ****wad", Sarah crying to Dyson "It's all your fault, mother ****er", Dyson yelling "I didn't build the ****ing thing!" etc.
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Ah yes, that would make T2 R rated. The violence alone wouldn't have been enough, as John prohibits the T800 from killing anyone, thus making the movie more family friendly in THAT respect. And much of the violence is between the T800 and the T1000, pretty much putting the old "Robot Rule" of Saturday morning cartoons into effect (it doesn't count as violence if its against a robot). So without any sex and/or nudity, the multiple F-bombs would be enough to push the movie from PG-13 to R.
 
the violence alone wouldnt have been enough?
 
I think the T-1000 impaling Xander Berkley's character through his mouth would have been enough (that sound was hardcore), as well as the blood squibs, finger through the eye, and other T-1000 impalings. Also Arnold's wounds in the third act too (compare his face to Sam Worthington's in Salvation, much more "meat" and blood compared to the pg-13 one)
 
there are at least 5 shots in T2 that will get you banned on SHH if you post a screenshot. :)
 
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