'That was our kiss!!!!' Query?

[November Rain]

So you're telling me you would have no problems if (lets say)Spider-girl was your girlfriend and she kissed a dude upside infront of you knowing you were there? Its outright disrespectful. I could see if it was planned or whatever, but it was a spur of the moment thing.

i think i would be too wiped out by the super human sex to really be bothered...

 

[Kahoot]

So you're telling me you would have no problems if (lets say)Spider-girl was your girlfriend and she kissed a dude upside infront of you knowing you were there? Its outright disrespectful. I could see if it was planned or whatever, but it was a spur of the moment thing.

I might not mean anything but it would breake my heart. I'd prob get over it but it would be hard to watch. Pete shoulda kissed Gwen on the cheek.

 

[The Joker]

It was poetic justice that MJ's partner kissed someone else, instead of vice versa. At least Peter's kiss was a meaningless one.

 

[Dr. Fate]

Peter & MJ were a couple at this point, therefore he shouldn't be kissing other women, regardless of whether its "meaningless" to him. He knew MJ was in the crowd, he shouldn't be kissing other women in front of her after pining after her for two previous films.

The only point behind Pete kissing Gwen as Spider-Man of course is to show that fame is causing him to lose just a little bit of touch with reality, including in his relationship with MJ.

 

[SlyGuyTtjn]

Gwen was hot. I mean Peter had a right to do that. lol

 

[dodus]

as for your question, i'm merely being presumptious that she may have dated more people inbetween harry and john.

Quite presumptiuous.

 

[dodus]

LOL! Of course there is. Just don't go for roles that involve a romantic love interest.

This point is irrelevant anyway. It's all pretend. Just like Peter and Gwen's kiss. They were posing for the cameras and the crowd. The fact that MJ didn't get that is stupid.

Selectively avoiding roles that avoid romance, for an aspiring actress, would be career suicide. I see what you're saying about the "pretend" aspect, but there was a malicious element to it. When MJ kisses an actor in a role, she's playing a part. She doesn't have to stop and think, "Wait a minute is this cool to do? Would Peter mind?" because that would be absurd for Peter to mind. Contrast that with Peter and Gwen's situation. There was absolutely no reason for Peter to demand a smooch (the smooch) from Gwen. No script, no paycheck on the line, and it was far from the only thing Spidey could have done to ham it up in front of the cameras. In fact, considering that up until that point, no one besides MJ was aware of that kiss, it was less effective that some other things he could have done. It was used in the movie in the context of Peter becoming somewhat callous, so how is it inconceivable that audiences would perceive it that way?

And anyway, by this logic (which I disagree with), either Peter and MJ are both two-timing SOBs or they're both completely in the right for kissing whomever they want. Otherwise it's a double standard. To call Peter a saint and MJ a ****, as so many people seem to want to, reeks of misogynism.

 

[The Joker]

Selectively avoiding roles that avoid romance, for an aspiring actress, would be career suicide.

I disagree. There's tons of roles out there that don't involve romantic involvements. But, she doesn't have to avoid them, does she. Because Peter knows it's just pretend. All a show. Like his publicity kiss was.

I see what you're saying about the "pretend" aspect, but there was a malicious element to it. When MJ kisses an actor in a role, she's playing a part. She doesn't have to stop and think, "Wait a minute is this cool to do? Would Peter mind?" because that would be absurd for Peter to mind.

So, you're saying it's ok if you're being paid to do it in front of an audience? How does that change the fact that it's all just for show and doesn't mean anything?

Contrast that with Peter and Gwen's situation. There was absolutely no reason for Peter to demand a smooch (the smooch) from Gwen.

Two things:

1. Peter didn't demand anything from Gwen. The crowd did. They demanded the kiss.

2. The reason he did was for publicity. It didn't mean anything. And MJ knew it. She was just feeling sour because her career took a nose dive, and Spidey's was soaring. She was actually jealous of him. She's that immature.

In fact, considering that up until that point, no one besides MJ was aware of that kiss, it was less effective that some other things he could have done. It was used in the movie in the context of Peter becoming somewhat callous, so how is it inconceivable that audiences would perceive it that way?

How was Peter becoming callous? What had he done up to this point other than support and try to reassure MJ? She never even told him she was fired from her acting job.

She told Harry, but not Peter. Peter had no idea there was something wrong.

And anyway, by this logic (which I disagree with), either Peter and MJ are both two-timing SOBs or they're both completely in the right for kissing whomever they want. Otherwise it's a double standard. To call Peter a saint and MJ a ****, as so many people seem to want to, reeks of misogynism.

MJ is a two timer. She's always kissing other men when she's with someone else. And not a meaningless publicity kiss. Real passionate kisses.

 

[Dark Spidey]

A kiss is still a kiss. Whether for publicity purposes or not. Peter knew MJ was in the crowd and still insisted on Gwen "laying one on him". In the same position that he had shared his first kiss with MJ.

I think it was insensitive of Peter.

 

[Dragon]

Selectively avoiding roles that avoid romance, for an aspiring actress, would be career suicide. I see what you're saying about the "pretend" aspect, but there was a malicious element to it. When MJ kisses an actor in a role, she's playing a part. She doesn't have to stop and think, "Wait a minute is this cool to do? Would Peter mind?" because that would be absurd for Peter to mind.

But she doesn't have to be acting at all. She could do something else. And Peter is obviously cool with it based on how enthusiastic he is shown to be throughout the film regarding MJ's career. So since he doesn't care and knows MJ can separate herself from her parts, she should know that Peter can too. He wasn't shown to be thinking about Gwen afterward or she about him. And we can see that Mj was being a hypocrite, because she sure as hell reacted happily when she thought the crowd outside the theater was applauding her. then when she sees it's for her boyfriend, she can't even be happy for him. and it isn't just a case of Mj being fired. In Spidey 1 Peter reads about Spidey being wanted by the police, but immediately perks up to encourage MJ. In Spidey 2 he gets fired from the pizza job, but again, doesn't show it to MJ.

Contrast that with Peter and Gwen's situation. There was absolutely no reason for Peter to demand a smooch (the smooch) from Gwen. No script, no paycheck on the line, and it was far from the only thing Spidey could have done to ham it up in front of the cameras. In fact, considering that up until that point, no one besides MJ was aware of that kiss, it was less effective that some other things he could have done. It was used in the movie in the context of Peter becoming somewhat callous, so how is it inconceivable that audiences would perceive it that way?

The audience perceived it as Spider-Man's unique ability to kiss a girl. It's a trick only he can do. And if you can justify MJ kissing another guy for her career, then peter is even more justified, because the good will of the public is essential to his life-saving activities. It's hard for him to do what he does with the public fearing and loathing him. So he makes a little gesture to show them he's a regular guy that they can relate to.

And anyway, by this logic (which I disagree with), either Peter and MJ are both two-timing SOBs or they're both completely in the right for kissing whomever they want. Otherwise it's a double standard. To call Peter a saint and MJ a ****, as so many people seem to want to, reeks of misogynism.

Everytime MJ has kissed a guy in the movies, it's been about passion, not just a show. She throws her feminine wiles around like ninja stars. She can never deal with a guy straight-up and say "we have a problem, let's either work it out or go our separate ways". She ALWAYS goes to another guy while with one to test the waters before dumping the previous guy. And in Spidey 3 she was unbelievably self-centered and *****y. She constantly took Peter for granted and again, never attempted to solve the problems between them as Peter did.

 

[The Joker]

A kiss is still a kiss. Whether for publicity purposes or not. Peter knew MJ was in the crowd and still insisted on Gwen "laying one on him". In the same position that he had shared his first kiss with MJ.

I think it was insensitive of Peter.

Peter did not insist on the kiss. The crowd of fans did. Peter just gave the ok for Gwen to do it. It was an empty kiss. And as was already stated, MJ already used the sacred upside down kiss on John Jameson.

If she can try it on other people, then so can Peter. For her to suddenly get all upset over it was ******ed. It's like one set of rules for her, and another for Peter.

 

[Spade]

I still don't see what he could have done. If he said "no thanks" even in the most cordial manner the only person in the packed crowd he'd be making happy was the small child. Peter plays a role as much as Mary Jane on a daily basis. The only other option was to pull off the mask and say why he couldn't as well as that he has a woman, and that would have been all kinds of stupid.

And yes, I agree with CaptainStacy- Lee/Romita's Mary Jane got lost in translation a long time ago.

 

[Mr Jide]

Do you think MJ has any right to be really angry at pete for kissing Gwen with the inverted kiss (in spidey 3)when MJ has technically been doing the same with every dude she has dated up to and including John Jameson to find out whether they are spiderman or not (in spidey 2)?

I'm sorry but MJ is a **** bag in these movies. She had the cheek to give John the spidey kiss to see if he could give her the same effect, yet Pete does it for show and MJ gets mad? She needs a slap. I'm glad MJ saw it, pete obviously knew she was there so its not like he did it with the intention of getting his jollies to piss MJ off and to score with Gwen, it was all for show....and to be honest, I don't think pete was actually expecting Gwen to snog him but what could he do? MJ on the other hand diddn't tell pete she did the same with John, I'm sure but what ever. MJ was portrayed as an insensitive little self-centred cow and every bad thing that happened to her...at least in sm3, I'm glad and she had coming.

 

[Mr Jide]

Peter & MJ were a couple at this point, therefore he shouldn't be kissing other women, regardless of whether its "meaningless" to him. He knew MJ was in the crowd, he shouldn't be kissing other women in front of her after pining after her for two previous films.

The only point behind Pete kissing Gwen as Spider-Man of course is to show that fame is causing him to lose just a little bit of touch with reality, including in his relationship with MJ.

You don't get it. The spidey/Gwen kiss was all for show, it's like a hollywood actor doing a film where there are scenes where he has to kiss or even have a sex scene. It was entertainment, a publicity stunt....and with the crowd chanting at Gwen to kiss him, what else did you expect to happen? Also, it was Gwen that pulled down the mask, pete probably thought she'd give him a kiss on the cheek but come on, a hot blond with a chance to kiss the city's hero? You can bet your ass she was going to snog his lips off...and its not like he could reject her at that moment in time anyway. Pete did no wrong imo.

 

[Mr Jide]

Peter did not insist on the kiss. The crowd of fans did. Peter just gave the ok for Gwen to do it. It was an empty kiss. And as was already stated, MJ already used the sacred upside down kiss on John Jameson.

If she can try it on other people, then so can Peter. For her to suddenly get all upset over it was ******ed. It's like one set of rules for her, and another for Peter.

Bingo!

 

[Spade]

Yeah...in SM1, she didn't give any incentive for hate, but in SM2 those seeds of stupidity seem to have been sowed well and good. This movie just took the worst elements in her and reaped them out for all to see. I just don't see how Raimi could have sat looking at the dialogue and thought that the viewers wanted to be accosted to such a self-centered portrayl of what's supposed to be a solid main character. I would have had more sympathy if she tried to overlook it throughout the film and it built up into something, but due to the cruddy sense of pace and horrid characterization she comes off more as presumida/ conceited than anything else.

 

[Alexia Dark]

Absolutely. I can see the arguments about 'Well, she kissed John in that way, too', and 'It was just a publicity stunt', but despite that, it shows just how out of touch Peter was with her feelings. As much as he supposedly loves her, he is so blind to her needs in the relationship that I completely understand her anger.

 

[Mr Jide]

Peter may have been blind but MJ proved to be deaf and dumb.

 

[DACrowe]

I'd say she is angry b/c it was "their kiss" and was willing to forgive until she found out it was a flirt from Pete's calss who was hitting on him while she was right in front of them.

She blew up in that scene and was too harsh (something in her next scene she apologized for...before Pete kicked her out of his apartment).

As for John. She was engaged to him and not with Peter. She kissed him like that to see if she'd feel the same rush and emotion she did with Spidey and then Peter in the graveyard.

She didn't. Peter simulated their first "moment" for publicity. That will piss any woman off. Be honest.

 

[Leenie]

I think that Mary Jane's anger/frustration was more than justified.

Her kiss with John Jameson happened because she either wanted to know if he was Spider-Man, or if their kiss would have the same effect as the one with Spider-Man. Additionally, Peter and Mary Jane were NOT a couple at this point.

I know I'd be pretty miffed if I found out that the girl who Spider-Man kissed was someone that Peter knew. And Peter never told Mary Jane about Gwen. That would be awfully suspicious even if it was completely innocent! The relationship was going down a rocky road at this point, and this became the tip of the iceberg.

I know I can't speak for anyone else, but I felt REALLY sorry for Mary Jane in this movie.

 

[Karea07]

^ I agree... I feel exactly the same way.

 

[The Joker]

I'd say she is angry b/c it was "their kiss" and was willing to forgive until she found out it was a flirt from Pete's calss who was hitting on him while she was right in front of them.

How exactly did she flirt with Peter? Gwen's not that sort of girl. She was horrified when she found out Peter was using her to make MJ jealous in the Jazz club, and even had the decency to go and apologize to MJ.

As for John. She was engaged to him and not with Peter. She kissed him like that to see if she'd feel the same rush and emotion she did with Spidey and then Peter in the graveyard.

So what? She still shared "their kiss" with someone else. She's always kissing other men when she's involved with someone.

 

[Dragon]

I'd say she is angry b/c it was "their kiss" and was willing to forgive until she found out it was a flirt from Pete's calss who was hitting on him while she was right in front of them.

What difference did it make if they were classmates? Peter isn't supposed to save someone in his class? How ridiculous. And she wasn't hitting on Peter. She was talking to him. the fact that she was naturally warmer and more affectionate than MJ isn't Peter's fault.

She blew up in that scene and was too harsh (something in her next scene she apologized for...before Pete kicked her out of his apartment).

She didn't apologize. She said "I'm not here about last night". in what world is that an apology? And right after that she goes into berating Peter.

As for John. She was engaged to him and not with Peter. She kissed him like that to see if she'd feel the same rush and emotion she did with Spidey and then Peter in the graveyard.

She didn't. Peter simulated their first "moment" for publicity. That will piss any woman off. Be honest.

All of that might hold water but for MJ's ducey history romantically. Seeing as how she had broken a number of hearts herself getting caught up in the moment, she should have been less judgemental.

 

[DACrowe]

No, he should save her. But should he be kissing her for a picture?

And it wasn't the same as her acting career. She has those kisses written in the scripts and I'm sure warns Peter that it will happen. Peter didn't warn her a bit and did it spontaneously in front of a crowd. And it was "their" moment.

I also don't think you can hold the firing hting over her. Sure Peter didn't tell anyone at the beginning of SM2 that he felt like ****. But at the same time MJ lost her job and didn't confide it in the only person she thinks she can confide to because it would ruin "his" day at the festival. She acted happy for him and wanted him to enjoy the moment. The fact that he kissed a girl who obviously likes Peter in the same way they first "connected" had to be a big surprise and be a low blow.

And I think she did apologize about her blow up at the restaurant. When she found out Peter was in a bad place she put that behind her and tried to comfort him. He then threw her out and she didn't "berate" so much as warn Peter that he shouldn't do anything rash. Y'know, like put a symbiote suit on and attempt to kill a man in a moment of passion.

I think people just want to be harsher on MJ because Dunst plays her for some reason. She did do a mean thing to Peter at the restaurant, but he then again kissed another girl who obviously did like Peter as she was openly flirting with him in front of MJ, kick her out of his apartment when she came to comfort him and the whole slapping thing.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

She kisses everyone in this damn series.