I hope it will not choose this way...

[Cinemaman]

Hi guys! I want to say something to you all.

I will compare Spidey movies to Superman movies, because I found intersting stuff.

Ok, look at Spidey 1 and Super 1 ('78), what we can see?

Love story with awesome action? Yep, Pete&MJ and Clark&Lois.

Camp (or better will be if I say insane) villian? Yep, GG and Lex Luthor.

Resbonsibilty? Yep again, Uncle Ben and Jor-El (or Jonathan Kent).

Newspaper? Jameson (Daily Bugle) and Perry WHite (Daily Planet).

Suit? Blue and Red (Spidey) and Blue and Red (Supes).

Choice? MJ or people in carriage (Spidey) and Lois or earthquakes (Supes).

Also: Aunt May and Martha Kent.


So as we can see Spidey has the same formula, which STM had.


The next is sequels.

More love story with more action.

Serious villian? Yep, Dock Ock (Spidey 2) and Zod (Supes).

What about girlfriend? MJ knows that Peter is Spidey and Lois knows that Clark is Supes.

Superpowers? Spidey losses them and Supes just dont want to be kryptonian anymore.

Box Office? Less than Spidey 1, but still very good and less than Supes, but still very good.


And now... Spidey 3 and Supes 3.

New love story and more action.

Changes in superhero? Spidey finds black suit and Red kryptonite's influence on Supes.

New love story? Gwen Stacey and Lana Lang.

But Spidey 3 has something that didn't has Supes 3, 4 supervillians.


But there is one question, will Spidey 3 be disappointment like Supes 3 was?

As for me, I hope it will not. But what you think?

 

[ComicKoryn]

I think Shrek will rock

 

[November Rain]

there is no red kryptonite in superman three, it's synthetic krptonite with tar

it's a misconception, there is no red meteor smallville esque rocks...

 

[Smegger56]

Hi guys! I want to say something to you all.

I will compare Spidey movies to Superman movies, because I found intersting stuff.

Ok, look at Spidey 1 and Super 1 ('78), what we can see?

Love story with awesome action? Yep, Pete&MJ and Clark&Lois.

Camp (or better will be if I say insane) villian? Yep, GG and Lex Luthor.

Resbonsibilty? Yep again, Uncle Ben and Jor-El (or Jonathan Kent).

Newspaper? Jameson (Daily Bugle) and Perry WHite (Daily Planet).

Suit? Blue and Red (Spidey) and Blue and Red (Supes).

Choice? MJ or people in carriage (Spidey) and Lois or earthquakes (Supes).

Also: Aunt May and Martha Kent.


So as we can see Spidey has the same formula, which STM had.


The next is sequels.

More love story with more action.

Serious villian? Yep, Dock Ock (Spidey 2) and Zod (Supes).

What about girlfriend? MJ knows that Peter is Spidey and Lois knows that Clark is Supes.

Superpowers? Spidey losses them and Supes just dont want to be kryptonian anymore.

Box Office? Less than Spidey 1, but still very good and less than Supes, but still very good.


And now... Spidey 3 and Supes 3.

New love story and more action.

Changes in superhero? Spidey finds black suit and Red kryptonite's influence on Supes.

New love story? Gwen Stacey and Lana Lang.

But Spidey 3 has something that didn't has Supes 3, 4 supervillians.


But there is one question, will Spidey 3 be disappointment like Supes 3 was?

As for me, I hope it will not. But what you think?

There is a likeness. I will say this. Whilst Raimi is directing ALL 3 spidey films, Richard Donner only driected one and three quarters of the first two supes films. He did ALL of supes 1, and 70% of supes 2, with only 50% of the footage being used. Richard Lester finished supes 2 and did supes 3.

If Donner did ALL the supes, with 3, then we would've seen Brainiac and, well, better films.

I'm not arguing with you. I just thought i'd add this bit of info, and we can all think of what could've been with the original superman movies (bar supes 1, which is great)

 

[Cinemaman]

There is a likeness. I will say this. Whilst Raimi is directing ALL 3 spidey films, Richard Donner only driected one and three quarters of the first two supes films. He did ALL of supes 1, and 70% of supes 2, with only 50% of the footage being used. Richard Lester finished supes 2 and did supes 3.

If Donner did ALL the supes, with 3, then we would've seen Brainiac and, well, better films.

I'm not arguing with you. I just thought i'd add this bit of info, and we can all think of what could've been with the original superman movies (bar supes 1, which is great)

Well, I hope Spidey 3 will not be next SIII or Batman Forever. I hope it will be very good movie.

 

[capnmerica]

however Raimi wants to stay true to the comic and Singer does not, Singer makes Krypton still exist, just extinct, Superman has a kid, not in the comic book, Superman has many flaws, as does Spiderman, but Spiderman is faithful to the comic and Singer's movie is faithful to him and turns its back on the fans. Spiderman will be handled well, Superman will be fun to watch at times, and pretty I am sure...but Spiderman will rock....

 

[Smegger56]

Well, I hope Spidey 3 will not be next SIII or Batman Forever. I hope it will be very good movie.

Me too. But, IMO, the way the spidey films have gone (SM1 being good, SM2 being average) spidey 3 could turn out like that, IMO of course.

I too hope spidey 3 kicks ass.

 

[ComicKoryn]

however Raimi wants to stay true to the comic and Singer does not, Singer makes Krypton still exist, just extinct, Superman has a kid, not in the comic book, Superman has many flaws, as does Spiderman, but Spiderman is faithful to the comic and Singer's movie is faithful to him and turns its back on the fans. Spiderman will be handled well, Superman will be fun to watch at times, and pretty I am sure...but Spiderman will rock....

Superman doesn't have a kid, I thought Lois did.

 

[Cinemaman]

however Raimi wants to stay true to the comic and Singer does not, Singer makes Krypton still exist, just extinct, Superman has a kid, not in the comic book, Superman has many flaws, as does Spiderman, but Spiderman is faithful to the comic and Singer's movie is faithful to him and turns its back on the fans. Spiderman will be handled well, Superman will be fun to watch at times, and pretty I am sure...but Spiderman will rock....

Hey! SR have enough stuff from comics, just look at scene with Supes lifting the car, isn't this from Action Comics #1???

Besides the whole movie cant be full of comics storylines.

Singer made a great job, just watch new clips and you will understand this.

 

[Smegger56]

however Raimi wants to stay true to the comic and Singer does not, Singer makes Krypton still exist, just extinct, Superman has a kid, not in the comic book, Superman has many flaws, as does Spiderman, but Spiderman is faithful to the comic and Singer's movie is faithful to him and turns its back on the fans. Spiderman will be handled well, Superman will be fun to watch at times, and pretty I am sure...but Spiderman will rock....

Can I ask a question? Is that a bias comment you make, because it's 'Spiderman'?

Raimi, IMO, hasn't stayed true to the comics. Not the way you're making it sound.

And unlike spiderman, there have been many interpratations of the character through out his history. Spidey has stayed pretty much consistant in the comics (be fair, i haven't read much in the past year or so).

 

[Reikowolf]

there is no red kryptonite in superman three, it's synthetic krptonite with tar

it's a misconception, there is no red meteor smallville esque rocks...

You're right... it's not red Kryptonite.. because to be red Kryptonite.. it would have to be from Krypton

BUT

it looks like red kyptonite
and did effect superman somewhat the same way as red kryptonite (not exactly)

smallville is a bad reference point because red krytonite's effects have changed over time in the comic

the general concensus is that it does the opposite of the green stuff.. effects superman's mind

 

[Reikowolf]

you cannot compare superman to spider-man

 

[Arcturus]

I hope it will not choose this way...

Just curious, who is this "it"?

 

[Reikowolf]

spider-man's mythos does borrow a lot from superman

but last time I checked... Jonathan Kent was still alive in the comics and in the movie he dies.. and it's what causes Clark to use his powers responsible

... hmmmm sound familiar?

 

[Katsuro]

spider-man's mythos does borrow a lot from superman

but last time I checked... Jonathan Kent was still alive in the comics and in the movie he dies.. and it's what causes Clark to use his powers responsible

... hmmmm sound familiar?

Pre-crisis, Jonathan Kent died. It's only Post-crisis that both of Supes parents are alive. And TAS of course.

 

[November Rain]

You're right... it's not red Kryptonite.. because to be red Kryptonite.. it would have to be from Krypton

BUT

it looks like red kyptonite
and did effect superman somewhat the same way as red kryptonite (not exactly)

how could it look like red kryptonite, it was green

the other stuff i can kinda agree with.

 

[Katsuro]

how could it look like red kryptonite, it was green

the other stuff i can kinda agree with.

It was green red kryptonite. DUH!!!!!!!!

 

[Cinemaman]

I hope it will not choose this way...

Just curious, who is this "it"?

SM3.

 

[Reikowolf]

someone find that pic of pryior giving reeves that rock.. I remember it being red for some reason.. been a while since I've seen 3 tho

 

[Cinemaman]

you cannot compare superman to spider-man

Why? As I know Raimi used Superman'78 as strategy to make Spider-man.

 

[Reikowolf]

Pre-crisis, Jonathan Kent died. It's only Post-crisis that both of Supes parents are alive. And TAS of course.

it's not so much the death as the signifigance of the death... in Spider-Man Uncle ben's death is a reocuring theme.

 

[Cinemaman]

it's not so much the death as the signifigance of the death... in Spider-Man Uncle ben's death is a reocuring theme.

Look, Superman (1978) was made in 1978, when there was only Pre-Crisis.

Singer's SR is vague sequel of Donner's movie.

 

[November Rain]

 

[Reikowolf]

Why? As I know Raimi used Superman'78 as strategy to make Spider-man.

sorry, i should have been more specific. the '78 superman was used as a strategy because Raimi respects Richard Donner.. plus it's a good formula regardless

Superman 2 in some aspect is an extension because Donner was supposed to direct it but there were so many problems during the filming of the first movie.

SM2 and Supes 2 do have parallel's but this is due to comic book plots.. not that raimi was trying to copy Supes2

IMO Spider-man 3 will be nothing like superman 3
quote me on this.

the main reason why is because Supes 3 was a bomb
why would raimi emulate that?

 

[Reikowolf]

well there you have it... okay.. then I suppose the misconception is made in properties alone. good find!