Originally Posted by TheFuture
I'd be curious to know how McMahon and Lesnar actually get on, given how pervy Vince was in the past towards Brock's wife.
I can't imagine they are the best of friends, Future, but I can imagine business being something that lets them sit down and be civil. That probably takes priority and since both like money they probably have some professional respect for each other. Vince knows what Brock brings to the table and Brock knows Vince offers one of the best platforms for him to make a living.
As for the Sable thing? I can't imagine many men like the thought of some other dude all over his wife like that even if it was before they got together but Brock's got to know that was (mostly) business. They are part actors and actors have to do that stuff sometime. If Vince wanted to do that now though? Brock might go Randy Savage on him.
Originally Posted by bullets
I had no problem with the match-up but I'm not a fan of the "See you at the Rumble / Wrestlemania/ Name a PPV next year" approach. It causes a lot of problems and kills momentum. Lazy doesn't even begin to cover it when it comes to WWE's problem with building new stars.
I agree. I don't think it needed a year long buildup from the time the match was made. That was just part of the hype machine. From the time of the actual announcment to the actual match it could have been six months and done just as much business. Like you said Cena had a really hard time keeping the momentum of the feud going for large chunks of time when it was only him there selling it. A lot of the time it just felt like Cena was just killing time with bad pointless angles on Raw and PPV even when they were designed to make him look good.
Originally Posted by The Apocalypse
What bigger picture was Rock talking about. He has to be talking out of his ass.
Careful, man...some people around here would say you are spewing stuff. Not me though.
Only big picture I can see so far is more money for Vince, Cena, and Rock, and another creatively pointless Cena run. And maybe another creatively pointless Rock run down the road.
Originally Posted by The Sage
JC’s Top Rope Report: The WWE, Wrestlemania, & The Need To Look At The Long Term
Great article. He makes a lot of strong logical points supported by history. People say every year that Wrestlemania helps all the talents when you have older stars hogging the spotlight and celebrity/media participation. It USED to be true but Mania has been used so piss poorly to make new stars over the last 8 years that its a joke. They've forgotten how to implement the formula but they expect the same results.
It all goes back to how business is being done right now. Nobody can say Punk isn't ready but WWE refuses to totally put the machine behind him or give him the ball to see if he could REALLY score big. Sure he's been champion for over a year but he was almost always second fiddle; The PG era Randy Savage. But even Savage got more support from the WWE machine.
Originally Posted by Zanham
Anyone else think Punk's reign was just to get the audience ready for a 2 year or more Cena reign?
I think he may get a long reign (maybe even a year...but I doubt it) but 2 years reigns are pretty much unheard of in this day in age. The audience just doesn't have that kind of patience or attention span anymore. Even WWE knows that would get stale. The last time they even came close to sustaining ANYTHING directly and nonstop for 2 years was the build up to HHH vs Batista, Michaels/Undertaker rivalry, HHH/Taker and the Shawn Michaels/Triple H rivalry. Even those had down periods and breaking up points. Rock vs Cena would be another one but that was even more broken up and had more backburner points than HBK vs HHH. A title run is pretty much front and center all the time.
If anything Cenas run could be shorter. Hogans later runs became shorter and shorter and like Hogan by the early 90's Cena is getting older and has more wear and tear on him. They may want to conserve him by not having him do extremely long title runs becaue the commitment is a heavy one.
Originally Posted by Hunter Rider
Agreed, it's not really getting any heat either as the crowd seem to find it dull and corny. I'd love to see how he could evolve with Heyman guiding him, I see it being similar to when he managed Rude.
A good manager could do wonders for him. Even a female one on the level of a Melina could make some difference. If Cesaro had a Heenan he'd be a major IC or US champ by now.
Punk is too much of a pro to do that, but if Taker can't work I'd book him vs Dolph, just have them both complain that they aren't on the card and then have Vickie book it. Even as heel vs heel it would still work as both are so over and the NY crowd will eat it up.
And they could easily EASILY steal the show ala Steamboat/Savage. That could do a lot for both of them. More than working with Miz would.
Originally Posted by bullets
I watched Bullet to the Head yesterday. You would think Jason Momoa was a former wrestler the way he tossd people around. I'd like to see him and Rock face off in an action film.
Its a shame his turn as Conan didn't work out for him. Conan 2011 wasn't as good as Dredd but much like Urban/Dredd I would have liked to have seen more of Momoa as Conan.
Originally Posted by
The Sage
Sting was recently interviewed by WrestleShark for their latest podcast. Here are some highlights.
Sting's loyalty with the company: The group of men and women under the TNA roof, the fans, the brand, I just feel content here. The home has been good here; Dixie Carter, the Carter family have been great to work with over the years and Dixie is very persuasive.
Why he keeps returning every year: "Dixie was very persuasive. Being willing to make it right in terms of scheduling, the time on the road, of course money is an issue, it just all came together. And I love the brand...that’s all there is to it. It was like a now or never moment for me.”
On TNA becoming a household name: I think if we go out on the road there is a lot of potential for that to happen.
On being the first inductee into the TNA Hall of fame: Very humbling...because there are so many other guys, the Samoa Joes, the A.J. Styles, Bobby Roode, James Storm, Jeff Jarrett, who were here before I was. They helped build a foundation for this company," Sting said. "I was kind of like ‘am I being put out to pasture here or what?’ [laughs] plus I’m an active wrestler. So it seems kind of weird to be inducted into the Hall of Fame while you’re still working.
http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/361934851.php
Thats a class interview by a class star. I respect how he put over TNA guys like AJ, Joe, Roode, etc. all while being humble about his induction.
Originally Posted by
Zanham
I'm usually indifferent towards them but... I hate everything about this Super Bowl from their accused murder, to S.F's stupid media sensation QB to the stupid dueling brothers of the two teams. I hate every story about this Super Bowl and the whole thing reecks of exploitation upon a vast multitude of many peoples of many walks.
They're telling the criminals they can win, but they won't allow that thru their 'teamwork.' OR just telling people any of a slew of mixed messages there.
They're telling the brothers to duel, divide and conquer.
They're telling the huge underdog he can beat all the odds, but he really can't.
This Super Bowl is nothin' but a death trap and it's fitting that the lights went out because that's what that whole damn scheme thinks they are doing to the masses. Only thing I'm looking forward to is the game ending so I can take it out with my trash.
Yeah, I kinda want it all shut down to be honest. I mean - those people are all 'entertainers' but I don't think anyone is entertained by any of it anymore except the people who can't speak full english or the young and impressionable. And the impression these modern 'entertainers' and performers must be leaving on the youth - my god, now I know why my instincts didn't lead me to have kids at this time - this **** is horrible for youth to see. I wouldn't have and I still don't and i never will want any offspring I ever have have to deal with any of the current garbage this country is being exposed to until they are at least, fully grown.
Amen.
Originally Posted by Pink Ranger
I really admire DDP for his yoga evangelism. If more wrestlers were open to yoga, especially in their active prime, a lot of careers would have gone differently.
I really do think he could help lots of wrestlers. Especially the guys with back problems. Imagine if someone like DDP was around for Davey Boy Smith when he first hurt his back?
Originally Posted by NDX
Seeing it again, that just looks stupid.
He's no Hawk thats for sure. Stuff like that is par for the course for those movies though.
This was the time period when I was a BIG fan of The Rock.
He had so much spark back then. But I imagine thats easier for any wrestler to have when they are young and hungry for it. Not so much when you have achieved everything there is to achieve.
Oh yeah, I hadn't thought of it either, the thing is imagine the energy it would give the match? I doubt there is a single fan who doesn't think Cena is gonna win and it's possible, being in NY, that they'll choose to crap on both guys.
Yeah smart crowds like that..its hard to predict what they'll do. Even if Punk does go into a triple threat as a heel that NY area crowd might cheer Punk and boo the sh** out of Rock and Cena. Cena would probably get more but then again who can say. It may be one of many reasons Punk is being kept out of it. It wouldn't be the kind of reaction Vince wants for his company made golden boys or go with the kind of "truth" he's trying to sell.
Its really strange since NY is the heart of WWE history (and Rock and Cena are more WWE creations than Punk is). Then again maybe thats why. They've seen it all and know when someone is the real deal in the ring or how much they are dedicated to the business.
I want all of them! I still say Trish looks even better as a brunette than a blond.
I always felt Victoria could have been better used in WWE.She could have been a lot more popular than she was.
WWE under appreciated her. They knew she was good but they just jobbed her out to the models. Her face run was weak because it didn't feel natural for her at the timne but they should have kept her a strong heel. At least she got to leave in a classier way than Lita did despite also being a heel. One of the minuses of Litas trashy Edge ho heel run.
I think Victoria/Taras face runs in TNA have been better because by that point she had built up a lot of respect from fans who recognized how good of a worker she is. She's the real deal as far as toughness in that ring. She and Mickie outworked some of the guys in TNA a few years ago. The die hard fans of the business and what it takes to do it respect that.
She was so misused in WWE its criminal. She got used a bit better in TNA but the whole thing with Angelina Love was awful most of the time. At least Katie Lea/Winter got a title run with a womens belt that actually mattered in TNA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0736F_PuyQQ
Cool Piper interview where he talks about training his son and about his thoughts on Punk.
Much thanks for this. I've been wanting to hear the whole thing and what he says about Punk. I also read somwhere that he shoots on Patterson and others? is that true? Guess I'll find out.
Whats everyone's thoughts for tonight's Raw.
We gonna get Brock on mic to talk about why he F5'd Vince, some Brock/Punk interaction, Heymans plans finally coming together/falling apart.
A Rock/Cena promo where Cena will ramble for 15mins then end by shouting for awhile.
Follow up on Brocks actions last week is the only interesting thing for me.
Couldn't care less about what Rock or Cena do.