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The 2016 Democratic Candidates

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Well, besides Hillary, Hillary, and Hillary.....

there's

Former Governor O'Malley
Former GOP Senator Lincoln Chafee, who is running on opposing the Iraq War
Former Senator Jim Webb (only had PAC or exploratory committee)
Senator Bernie Sanders

I hope they take time taking huge shots at Hillary before she's coronated. Jeffords should really expose Hillary's dishonesty. Those campaign ads will be real helpful.
 
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Well, besides Hillary, Hillary, and Hillary.....

there's

Former Governor O'Malley
Former GOP Senator Jim Jeffords, who is running on opposing the Iraq War
Former Senator Jim Webb (only had PAC or exploratory committee)
Senator Bernie Sanders

I hope they take time taking huge shots at Hillary before she's coronated. Jeffords should really expose Hillary's dishonesty. Those campaign ads will be real helpful.
Isn't it a bit late for that?


Oh, and you forgot this man and his marvelous metric plan:

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Lincoln Chafee all the way. :o
 
It's very possible Hillary won't be the candidate. The only Democrats who are really pushing for Hillary are only doing so because she's a woman, everyone else is pretty lukewarm and hoping for Elizabeth Warren to throw her hat in the ring. Also, when the younger generation realizes that she represents everything they've been protesting against for eight years ('the 1%,' 'rich fat cats,' 'business as usual Washington politician') they'll start to jump ship. That doesn't include any of the dirty laundry she has to air because they don't care about that anyways.
 
Isn't it a bit late for that?


Oh, and you forgot this man and his marvelous metric plan:

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Lincoln Chafee all the way. :o

no, I had a brain fart, I called him Jim Jeffords for some strange reason...I meant Lincoln Chafee. Jim Jeffords is actually dead. They're both party switchin Norhteastern liberals. Thanks for catch.
 
no, I had a brain fart, I called him Jim Jeffords for some strange reason...I meant Lincoln Chafee. Jim Jeffords is actually dead. They're both party switchin Norhteastern liberals. Thanks for catch.
I guess it's REALLY too late for him to run on opposing the Iraq War. :o
 
The only one excited about O'Malley running is O'Malley.

This is going to be a match up between Bernie and Hillary. Everyone else is getting steamrolled.
 
I am firmly behind bernie.If hillary wins nomination i don't care who wins.I learned my lesson with obama.As a true liberal no more corporate Dems for me.They act like Republicans with Trade deals like TPP,civil rights,and endless war in middle east.
 
The Dem bench is so shallow, all their hopes are on Hillary--I believe this spells doom for them and their aspirations for a third Clinton term in office. She's got more ghosts than Disney's Haunted Mansion...
 
She's got more ghosts than Disney's Haunted Mansion...

It's not like any of the Republicans candidates don't have their share of warts as well. At this point I have Hillary with 247 electoral votes, she just needs to find a way to get to 270 with

Florida(29)
Ohio(18)
Virginia(13)
Colorado(9)
Nevada(6)
Iowa(6)
New Hamshpire(4)

On the table. Hillary could do the unthinakble and lose Florida, Ohio and Virginia and still win the electoral vote. Republicans on the other hand start at 206 and have a much harder route to 270
 
It's not like any of the Republicans candidates don't have their share of warts as well. At this point I have Hillary with 247 electoral votes, she just needs to find a way to get to 270 with

Florida(29)
Ohio(18)
Virginia(13)
Colorado(9)
Nevada(6)
Iowa(6)
New Hamshpire(4)

On the table. Hillary could do the unthinakble and lose Florida, Ohio and Virginia and still win the electoral vote. Republicans on the other hand start at 206 and have a much harder route to 270

Not so fast. If its Jeb, he's winning Florida and pulling away many Latino voters in Nevada, and Colorado. Jeb is a very good politician backed by the Bush team who knows how to win elections. Jeb will likely tap John Kasich who is the governor of Ohio and won many elections there as his VP pick.

So it really comes down to the other states. Hillary has some potential bombs set to explode. She's white, so the media won't be able to shield her by playing a race card and has deleted 1,000's of emails. 1,000's? Yes. Understand this reality. The recipient has a copy that can not be deleted, and might have been forwarded to another person.

In addition, Clinton has a smelly trail of donations from bad people.

I actually think Clinton who really has not accomplished much in politics is past her prime ( Old ) , and vulnerable to some serious problems that she won't be able to talk her way out of. She lacks her husband's charm to overcome and might have some fall out issues from Obama himself.
 
Not so fast. If its Jeb, he's winning Florida and pulling away many Latino voters in Nevada, and Colorado. Jeb is a very good politician backed by the Bush team who knows how to win elections. Jeb will likely tap John Kasich who is the governor of Ohio and won many elections there as his VP pick.

I am not saying the 7 states are a guarantee, but even if Republicans win Ohio and Florida, there is many combinations of the other 5 that can get Hillary over 270. Florida will probably be the easiest state for Republicans to win back(especially with Jeb or Rubio) but it's almost a case they need Ohio and Virginia as well because if they lose one of those 2 they will have a real tough trail to 270

Hypothetical scenario(assuming Republicans win Florida)

Lose Ohio - have to win the other 4 states, if they lose NH it would be 269-269(tie breaker is House votes for President, Senate votes for Vice President)
Lose Virginia - Could only lose one of the remaining 4

In addition, Clinton has a smelly trail of donations from bad people.

No matter who is the Republican nominee, this goes both ways
 
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It's very possible Hillary won't be the candidate. The only Democrats who are really pushing for Hillary are only doing so because she's a woman, everyone else is pretty lukewarm and hoping for Elizabeth Warren to throw her hat in the ring. Also, when the younger generation realizes that she represents everything they've been protesting against for eight years ('the 1%,' 'rich fat cats,' 'business as usual Washington politician') they'll start to jump ship. That doesn't include any of the dirty laundry she has to air because they don't care about that anyways.

Agreed. She's a woman and she's the kinda safe candidate that everyone knows. I think Hillary is old news (no I don't mean age wise) but her time to actually get the presidency is long gone. She's been part of D.C. for a while with her influence in the Clinton administration. Her time as NY senator and within the Obama administration. Do people want the left overs from the previous administration? Her resume ain't half bad. But Warren is still new blood for the most part.
 
SV Fan wrote: I am not saying the 7 states are a guarantee, but even if Republicans win Ohio and Florida, there is many combinations of the other 5 that can get Hillary over 270. Florida will probably be the easiest state for Republicans to win back(especially with Jeb or Rubio) but it's almost a case they need Ohio and Virginia as well because if they lose one of those 2 they will have a real tough trail to 270

Hypothetical scenario(assuming Republicans win Florida)

Lose Ohio - have to win the other 4 states, if they lose NH it would be 269-269(tie breaker is House votes for President, Senate votes for Vice President)
Lose Virginia - Could only lose one of the remaining 4

I agree. My main thoughts are thus. Whomever wins two of the three states ( Florida, Pennsylvania, and Ohio ) is the likely winner. Ohio is the true battle ground state. Clinton is caught in some major issues where she said the wrong thing, then flip flopped. I think she will do poorly in a debate when the time comes.

If Sanders runs as an independent, she's doomed.

No matter who is the Republican nominee, this goes both ways

Yes it does. However Hillary Clinton's trail of donations directly goes against USA interests and the interest of women. In addition it appears her husband Bill was given a lot of money when they were broke from other nations. " Favors " are plenty if Hillary is elected.
 
She's also a she though.

Obama and his wife were " protected " by the media. Hillary never has been protected by the mainstream media. There's the main difference.

Being a white woman who is part of the top 1% won't buy you a minority status protection card from the media.
 
It's very possible Hillary won't be the candidate. The only Democrats who are really pushing for Hillary are only doing so because she's a woman, everyone else is pretty lukewarm and hoping for Elizabeth Warren to throw her hat in the ring. Also, when the younger generation realizes that she represents everything they've been protesting against for eight years ('the 1%,' 'rich fat cats,' 'business as usual Washington politician') they'll start to jump ship. That doesn't include any of the dirty laundry she has to air because they don't care about that anyways.

This is delusional thinking. Like her or not there isn't a single legitimate threat, Sanders included. Really the only name that was being thrown around that stood a chance was Warren. Barring complete self destruction on her part Clinton will win with ease. Unlike the last election there is no one with the same charisma as Obama (or Edwards for that matter). For the record ideologically I'm probably closer to Sanders than Clinton but I'm also a realist.
 
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If Sanders runs as an independent, she's doomed.

I admit I may be mistaken on this one but isn't Sanders legally unable to run in the general election as an Independent if he ran in the primary as a Democrat?
 
I admit I may be mistaken on this one but isn't Sanders legally unable to run in the general election as an Independent if he ran in the primary as a Democrat?

Yes he can. Sanders did say he won't play spoiler to help the Republicans win, but he also said he's in the race to win period.

If Sanders narrowly losses out to a damaged Clinton, he could always change his mind thinking I'm a better for the Dems. This of course is me thinking.

Right now Hillary has a 45.9% positive rating, and a 47.8 unfavorable rating. In 2009 Hillary's unfavorable rating was in the mid 30's, which essentially means the core conservative vote. The blow poll is an average of many polls ( 259 to be exact ) on the topic. Check it out.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/06/my-prediction-bernie-sanders-will-win-the-white-house.html

Once candidate hits the 50% unfavorable rating, he or she is done if things do not quickly change. One bomb on the emails scandal could sink Hillary's battle ship.

Sanders is one of the few authentic politicians out there, and loved by the liberals. He has the message the moderate types use to rally the troops. Clinton can not risk this, because she is compromised on many issues, including the voting for the Iraq war.

For now the moderates of the party do not think Sanders can win. If Clinton continues to slide in the polls, perceptions can quickly change.

This is politics. A few months can seem like years.
 
Month? Heck, things could change in minutes.

Who can forget Howard Dean's "Dean scream"?
 
This is delusional thinking. Like her or not there isn't a single legitimate threat, Sanders included. Really the only name that was being thrown around that stood a chance was Warren. Barring complete self destruction on her part Clinton will win with ease. Unlike the last election there is no one with the same charisma as Obama (or Edwards for that matter). For the record ideologically I'm probably closer to Sanders than Clinton but I'm also a realist.
I see Sanders as a legitimate threat. Remember when we all thought that she had it in the bag at this point in 2007 against Obama?

There is a degree of self-destruction already with Hillary's campaign because it looks like she hasn't learned a damn thing from her failed 2008 campaign. Her campaign is acting like she has it nomination guaranteed....again! The way she is brushing off legitimate concerns like her recent e-mail scandal is mind boggling. Sure, she's pivoting to the left because she has no choice due to the party's base becoming more leftist, but she comes off as totally fake and phony in the process. I highly doubt in the time between her retirement as Secretary of State to today that she went from being the epitome of Wall Street Democrat to progressive champion. It's absurd that the one person she is essentially running against, is her husband Bill Clinton, while acting like she's the return of the Clintons. While you can agree or disagree with Sanders, at least he's standing for something and comes off as a human being.

There is also a potential image problem with Hillary's campaign that they aren't dealing with such as how she is being comedically portrayed. Just look at Kate McKinnon's version of her on SNL where she comes off as some weird, power-obsessed robot. It's just like how the media portrayed Romney as completely out of touch or Sarah Palin as a complete moron. It doesn't matter if such portrayals are true or not, but they leave a lasting impact and Hillary's campaign is doing nothing to counter it.

The other problem with Hillary's campaign is that there is just nothing to get excited over with her candidacy. People who are excited over her are just excited over her because she's either A). A woman or B). A Clinton (even though she is denouncing everything that her husband did as President). At least people who support Sanders are getting excited over what he's offering.

And dare I say, expect Sanders to do well among college towns and if he plays his cards rights, blacks because they're more likely to lean ideologically towards him than Hillary.

EDIT: That said, Sanders will be a complete disaster in the general election.
 
They can't counter Hilary's phoniness.

The more she tries the more the media dissects her and ridicules her.

Most of the base begrudgingly supports Hillary because of her husband's legacy and the prospect of the first female president but it's hard to imagine many people buying her as a good-natured progressive champion.

At least Obama was charming to those on the left. Hillary has neither charm nor integrity. All it takes are a couple of ill timed gaffes and I can see a Bernie Sanders upset.
 
And I think Bernie Sanders can do decent in the general if he properly frames his working class/populist message.

Especially against Jeb. Lots of people are already lamenting another Bush in the white house and I'm not just referring to progressives.
 
And I think Bernie Sanders can do decent in the general if he properly frames his working class/populist message.
Sanders would be a disaster in the white suburban areas that are critical to Democratic victories in national elections. Even though polling shows people liking a working class/populist message, it almost never translates to victories come election time. Just ask how well it did for Labour in the UK. And Sanders would be so toxic to the Wall Street class to where a moderate Republican nominee will flush with so much cash while Sanders would be left in the dust.

The only way I can see Sanders winning a general election is if an extremist Republican like Ted Cruz wins the nomination.
 
Sanders would be a disaster in the white suburban areas that are critical to Democratic victories in national elections. Even though polling shows people liking a working class/populist message, it almost never translates to victories come election time. Just ask how well it did for Labour in the UK. And Sanders would be so toxic to the Wall Street class to where a moderate Republican nominee will flush with so much cash while Sanders would be left in the dust.

The only way I can see Sanders winning a general election is if an extremist Republican like Ted Cruz wins the nomination.


Americans love a David vs Goliath story.

I can see grassroots money pouring in for Sanders after the media exposes Bush's Wall Street money train.

The special interest backing for Jeb would be so undeniable that it would hurt him like Mitt Romney's 47% video comments. I can see lots of working class independents, libertarians, and conservatives secretly supporting Sanders instead of supporting yet another Bush.

Unlike Dubya who came off as a cowboy, Jeb has a smug carpet bagger aura plus the baggage of past Bush presidencies. His campaign will have a similar trajectory as Mitt Romney's. Sanders would truly energize the base which can't be underestimated.
 

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