The 2016 Republican Candidates - Part 1

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[Thundercrack85]

So, that clown car is getting mighty full. The Republicans now have 8 declared candidates. That's a lot, considering there are several viable and likely candidates still waiting to jump in.

What I find most interesting, is that none of these current candidates are easily dismissible, at least if you're a Republican. Even the Fox News polls (which leave out Rand Paul), put most of them at 10%, or close.

So far we have: Dr. Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina, Mike Huckabee, George Pataki, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, and Rick Santorum.

Pretty much everyone agrees that Jeb Bush will throw his hat in the ring. Unless Scott Walker is planning to run for governor in Iowa, his frequent trips probably mean that he'll be running soon too.

Chris Christie and Bobby Jindal have been picking fights with Rand Paul, and opining on national policy, so they may jump in too. Rick Perry is clearly toying with the idea. And then there's Lindsey Graham. I think that's a Daily Show pipe dream, but at this point, why not?

How is this going to work with so damn many people?

 

[ThePhantasm]

 

[Marvolo]

Look at all that diversity.

Ted Cruz reminds me of awkward penguin. Look at that face. He is pure concentrated stage fright on legs.

 

[Snow Queen]

Look at all that diversity.

Ted Cruz reminds me of awkward penguin. Look at that face. He is pure concentrated stage fright on legs.

They had a whole black guy up there, look at how progressive they are.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Keep in mind that the Democratic field is no better on the diversity front. Just a bunch of old white men. And a woman who piggy backs off of nostalgia for an old man.

 

[Smashlilman]

Keep in mind that the Democratic field is no better on the diversity front. Just a bunch of old white men. And a woman who piggy backs off of nostalgia for an old man.

Didn't the Democratic establishment talked Elisabeth Warren, Julian Castro, and Cory Booker out of running so that Hillary could have a clear path to the white house.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Didn't the Democratic establishment talked Elisabeth Warren, Julian Castro, and Cory Booker out of running so that Hillary could have a clear path to the white house.

If they did, they sure as heck are regretting it now...

 

[hippie_hunter]

Didn't the Democratic establishment talked Elisabeth Warren, Julian Castro, and Cory Booker out of running so that Hillary could have a clear path to the white house.

I'm pretty sure that none of them wanted to run even if Hillary was not.

 

[Taarna]

They had a whole black guy up there, look at how progressive they are.

That was from the first debate. Carly Fiorina ( Star of the 2nd debate ) is doing well. Unlike Hillary she will not play the I'm a woman vote for me card.

In fact Fiorina is slightly ahead of Clinton in head to head national polls.

Two of the top four Republicans polling are minorities. The Dem's? To quote Chris Rock, Old and white.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

They had a whole black guy up there, look at how progressive they are.

Silly conservatives with their old school "debates". What a waste of time. The progressives know how to do it! They have the foresight to tell their party faithful who to vote for, limit their field and offer only a handful of those ancient and archaic debates. Thats change!

 

[Napoleon]

I'm starting to consider voting for Rand Paul now, since I feel we need a more libertarian president.

Jesus Christ, if I told my 16 year-old self I'm seriously considering voting Republican/Libertarian at this point he's have a brain aneurysm.

 

[Taarna]

Keep in mind that the Democratic field is no better on the diversity front. Just a bunch of old white men. And a woman who piggy backs off of nostalgia for an old man.

The Geriatric gang. One's very old, another bitter and a liar. The last isn't sure if he was the steam to run.

 

[summerteeth]

They had a whole black guy up there, look at how progressive they are.

1/10. 10% of the candidates in that picture are black. 14% of Americans are black. That's pretty proportional so not sure why you are giving the Republican field a hard time in this instance. 2 are Latino which again is 20% which is higher than national demographics. Not exactly sure what you are wanting...

 

[Thundercrack85]

Does Ted Cruz even speak Spanish?

 

[Snow Queen]

1/10. 10% of the candidates in that picture are black. 14% of Americans are black. That's pretty proportional so not sure why you are giving the Republican field a hard time in this instance. 2 are Latino which again is 20% which is higher than national demographics. Not exactly sure what you are wanting...

I wanted to make a bad joke, what did you think?

 

[Paradoxium]

Straight from Harvard Business Review on Fiorina

https://hbr.org/2015/09/carly-fiorinas-legacy-as-ceo-of-hewlett-packard

Although the early merger integration was successful, it ultimately missed key mid- and long-term goals under Fiorina. She was weak in execution and implementation, a problem that would dog her tenure at HP. One executive told me, “she wasn’t personally interested in leading implementation and relied on her senior team — and they missed the mark consistently.” Another said that during her first year on the job, she spent a disproportionate amount of time on the road, speaking out her vision, rather than following through on implementation.

HP culture at that time was very engineer-dominated, and relatively male-dominated. As HP’s first female CEO, Fiorina just didn’t connect well with the engineers. Many of the mid-level managers and executives I interviewed reported that she pushed them to deliver on metrics that were not grounded in reality or data and were not really achievable. Many also felt that she needed to check her ego. I walked through the halls of HP headquarters during her tenure, and saw that she’d hung a huge portrait of herself next to HP founders Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard. People found that to be very tacky.

Despite her charisma and strategic acumen, I believe Fiorina ultimately failed in several ways. She wasn’t able to keep her ego in check or to connect with people at lower levels within the organization. But most importantly, she failed in the fact that she didn’t bring someone like Mark Hurd on board earlier. Great leaders recognize their own weaknesses. Had she been more self-aware of her own shortcomings, she could have brought in a second-in-command, a COO, to enable her to focus on what she did best – strategy and vision. The important question for voters is: Has she learned from the mistakes she made at HP? Has she realized what her own shortcomings are? Since she never took on a comparable CEO job after HP, conjecture is difficult.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I'm concerned about Jeb. He is polling in 6th place. And now there's that "stuff happens" gaffe. I mean, he still has that money, but I just don't know.

He's such an uninspiring candidate. I wonder if his heart is even in this.

 

[Marvolo]

Jeb and Hilary are in a similar situation. Very few people are inspired or motivated by them. They are too boring.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

You Don't Pass a Pool Fencing Law After a Child Drowns, Says Jeb, Who Did Just That

“Stuff happens” was the dumbest and most unfortunate thing Jeb! Bush said Friday in reaction to the mass shooting at an Oregon community college one day earlier, but his fumbling attempt to clean up that mess was nearly as rife with dumbitude and non-fortune.

After challenging a reporter to tell him “what I said wrong,” The New York Times reports, Bush clarified that he meant “Things happen all the time. Things. Is that better?”

Not really, but that didn’t stop him from going into detail about what he meant by “Look, stuff happens. There’s always a crisis and the impulse is always to do something, and it’s not necessarily the right thing to do.”

“A child drowned in a pool and the impulse is to pass a law that puts fencing around pools,” he said, “Well it may not change it. Or you have a car accident and the impulse is to pass a law that deals with that unique event. And the cumulative effect of this is, in some cases, you don’t solve the problem by passing the law, and you’re imposing on large numbers of people burdens that make it harder for our economy to grow, make it harder to protect liberty.”

A liberty-eroding, people-burdening law about pool fences is an oddly specific example. I wonder if any state has ever actually passed such a—

After the House voted 109-8 for the bill on Friday, Preston met Gov. Jeb Bush, who committed to signing a bill that requires new pool owners to pick a way to keep unsupervised children out of the water.​

Oh.

That’s the Sun-Sentinel’s Tallahassee bureau, reporting in May 2000 on a law requiring pool fences, named after a child—Preston de Ibern—who nearly drowned. Florida’s Preston de Ibern/McKenzie Merriam Residential Swimming Pool Safety Act was pushed for three years by then-state rep. (and current Democratic National Committee chair) Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and finally signed by Gov. Jeb! despite its inherent imposition of burdens on large numbers of people.

Stuff happens. Also things. All the time.

http://gawker.com/you-dont-pass-a-pool-fencing-law-after-a-child-drowns-1734383068

Haha, wow

 

[SV Fan]

And now there's that "stuff happens" gaffe.

I'll actually give Jeb a free pass on this, I listened to the full thing and he was taken out of context. This is more "You didn't build that" then "the 47%ers are a bunch of moochers"

 

[summerteeth]

Does Ted Cruz even speak Spanish?

Irrelevant.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...2016-candidate-goes-bloombergs-mark-halperin/

 

[CaptainWagner]

You Don't Pass a Pool Fencing Law After a Child Drowns, Says Jeb, Who Did Just That

http://gawker.com/you-dont-pass-a-pool-fencing-law-after-a-child-drowns-1734383068

Haha, wow

I'm failing to see where exactly he forced people to erect fences. All that article says is that pool owners could "pick a way" to keep kids from drowning.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

I'm failing to see where exactly he forced people to erect fences. All that article says is that pool owners could "pick a way" to keep kids from drowning.

I thought fences around pools in Florida were to keep Alligators out.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I'm failing to see where exactly he forced people to erect fences. All that article says is that pool owners could "pick a way" to keep kids from drowning.

His argument is that you don't pass knee-jerk reaction legislating based on a single event yet he did exactly that when that child died. Not sure how you don't see the issue with that

I thought fences around pools in Florida were to keep Alligators out.

A gator in your pool is good luck. Well, unless you happen to be out there swimming with him