Action-Adventure The All Encompassing Zorro thread

[Fallen Angel]

I prefer 1800's Zorro over a post apocalyptic one. The new movie may turn out good....but I have hoped for another classic one,

While I also would've liked to see a more classic take, I'm interested in how they'll do a near future/post apocalyptic Zorro. We know if his bombs we can always go back to the classic. In fact there's two separate Zorro projects on the go but the other one (A more classic take) is in development hell.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

So which actors are in the running to play Zorro?

 

[Breogan]

So which actors are in the running to play Zorro?

Gael Garcia Bernal was attached to the post apocalyptic Zorro when it was at FOX.

If Bernal came with the project when it was abandoned by FOX , and picked up by Lantica Media and Sobini Films (now calling it "Z") remains to be seen.

But with Jonás Cuarón slated to re-write and direct, who we know is friends* with and has worked with Bernal (see Desierto), I'm guessing Bernal is definitely still attached.

If anything I'd guess it might be Bernal who suggested Jonas Cuaron to direct.

*

Gael Garcia Bernal(potential "Z" Zorro) - Alfonso Cuarón - Jonás Cuarón (now director of "Z")​

 

[Breogan]

As for Pedro Pascal?

Pedro Pascal! Pedro Pascal!

Pedro would be great...

This movie needs Pedro Pascal.
(and to drop the futuristic angle.)

...

If they cast Pedro Pascal for the more classic version, they can revisit this battle:
With Pedro reprising instead of Prince Oberyn, as Zorro.
vs
Hafþór Júlíus Björnsso now instead of the Mountain cast as El Machete!

Of course with slightly altering the outcome ...t:

I've seen people bemoan Zorro doesn't have any recognizable rogues, ...here is a great one.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Gael Garcia Bernal was attached to the post apocalyptic Zorro when it was at FOX.

If Bernal came with the project when it was abandoned by FOX , and picked up by Lantica Media and Sobini Films (now calling it "Z") remains to be seen.

But with Jonas Cuaron writing and directing, who we know if friends with and has worked with Bernal, I'm guessing Bernal is definitely still attached.

Great, thanks for the heads up.

 

[Galactus123]

I hate the idea of post-apocalyptic Zorro. Test footage they shot looks really bad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIu-kDcWYb0

 

[Fallen Angel]

New crew, new script and new producers.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

New crew, new script and new producers.

Exactly.

 

[Breogan]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/jonas-cuaron-write-direct-futuristic-862067

But Cuaron is said to be starting from scratch and writing a new take on the material. Sources say it will no longer be post-apocalyptic but set in the near future.

Missed that on first read, it's not just a re-write, they have ditched post-apocalypse setting entirely and starting from scratch.
Set in the "near future"

Well I kinda enjoyed Zorro: Generation Z (basically it was Zorro Beyond), so we'll see.

This might actually now be closer to the generation "Z" concept than expected.

I'm expecting he'll now be trading the cape and horse, for black trenchcoat and Motorcycle.

Let the cries of copying Phantom 2040, Batman Beyond and Spider-Man 2099, begin!
Although it's funny how those characters get to pass the mantle reinvent themselves and people are fine with it. But suggest Zorro anywhere other than 1800s and people start ***ing. Even though he did it before any of those.
A "modern" Zorro legacy existed in the movies, before Batman even existed on paper.

 

[TheVileOne]

You think they would want to keep it post apocalyptic since it makes it more like a western, plus the success of Fury Road.

Then again, it might not work for Zorro.

 

[Rocketman]

Does anybody actually want this?

 

[TX85]

I prefer classic Zorro but I'll take any new Zorro film than none at all.

 

[Fallen Angel]

I prefer classic Zorro but I'll take any new Zorro film than none at all.

Feel the same way but I'm interested in seeing where they take this futuristic take on Zorro.

 

[TX85]

It does have potential, It just all depends on execution.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I actually would love if in fact this Zorro is EXACTLY like classic Zorro, simply transferred to a slightly sci fi setting. It raises the stakes, since now the hero in a simple mask, with a sword, a whip, his horse and his amazing skill, are at an even greater disadvantage. It could even show how in a world with all the survallene and tech at the government's disposal, that a man's will is still the greatest weapon in the fight against tyranny and oppression.

Now don't get it twisted. I am not saying it should be Zorro from 100 years ago transported via time travel to the middle of the 21st century. I mean, have a citizen of the near future be Don Diego of L.A. and he creates this throwback ID using things that don't rely on the stifling technosphere he was born into. His transport, his horse, can't be hacked or hit with some electromagnetic pulse. His weapons requires no ammunition or registration and again, can't be tracked.

And you get to keep alot of the classic imagery ta boot.

 

[Lord]

It's a man bringing a sword into a gunfight, Zorro in the future honestly sounds terrible, if you're gonna do more films with him, do it properly. His main setting and the timeframe his stories take place are things that give him more of a unique flavor among other heroes.

 

[Breogan]

I actually would love if in fact this Zorro is EXACTLY like classic Zorro, simply transferred to a slightly sci fi setting. It raises the stakes, since now the hero in a simple mask, with a sword, a whip, his horse and his amazing skill, are at an even greater disadvantage..

It's a man bringing a sword into a gunfight,

LOL I feel like I'm repeating this, but the original and most Zorro incarnations carry pistols, brandished what was then the modern weapons of their time black-powder pistols, then legacy characters updated to six shooters / revolvers in contemporary setting, with his vast wealth and resources passed to the latter legacies, they updated to modern weapons (these include films McCulley had a hand in writing)

if you're gonna do more films with him, do it properly. His main setting and the timeframe his stories take place are things that give him more of a unique flavor among other heroes.

"properly"
As for doing Zorro "properly", the idea of legacy has been a part of the character since second Fairbanks Zorro movie (1925) Son of Zorro .

And was carried into the Zorro Republic serials which had future - "modern" legacy Zorro's...

(1937)

....before the popular image of Batman being shot at by mobsters while swinging from modern city rooftops ever existed,
Zorro was already doing it!

1937)

(1939)

Done "properly" as you say, this is a legitimate part of the character; Zorro can be, has been, and is a legacy character, passing the mantle to future generations who would both use archaic weapons and update to new ones, be it a more advanced "gadget" sword, or other weapons added to his arsenal.

The character's history shows he can be versatile enough to "properly" play it both ways.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

This will be very corny, or very cool.

 

[Breogan]

Yeah future Zorro is going to be a hard sell no matter who is attached, especially when even casual "fan" reaction tends to be hesitant(that includes me) to negative ... "Zorro belongs only in the past!" or "Only the Banders version counts, anything else is automatically crap! attitude.
And these are "fans?"

Yet they'll gobble up million reinventions/modernizations of Batman without much thought, they automatically draw some arbitrary line Zorro has to stick to the past. Even though as pointed out; he was doing the whole modern/legacy thing before Batman even existed.
It's faithful to the character, there is legitimate and strong foundation for a future/legacy Zorro in the history of the character.

The production team just has to ride-out and ignore the negative/ignorant crap, if they have a vision just go with their gut and stick with it.
If Bernal is indeed still attached, and now Jonás Cuarón the connection and the circles they move in; (which indirectly include Alfonso Cuarón, Iñárritu, Emmanuel Lubezki (Chivo) and Guillermo del Toro is friends with this group), these are some of the more creative and celebrated filmmakers out there right now, so if by way of Bernal and Jonas Cuarón it sways under their influence, there is potential for something exceptional here.
It gives me hope anyway.

The group;

Guillermo del Toro, Alejandro G. Iñárritu, Emmanuel (El Chivo) Lubezki, Alfonso Cuarón, Jonás Cuarón

What would be incredible is if they could get (the father) Alfonso Cuarón to direct the classic version, the origin film. And (son) Jonás Cuarón to direct the modern/future legacy version. ... And then Chivo as cinematographer on both! t:

 

[Fallen Angel]

http://deadline.com/2016/05/gael-ga...nas-cuaron-z-sobini-films-lantica-1201752043/

Gael García Bernal and Jonás Cuarón (Desierto) are coming together yet again — this time for the reboot of Zorro in a film entitled Z. Cuarón’s Desierto, which stars Bernal, will be released by STX later in the year.

The new pairing on Zorro is being brought to Cannes after Cuarón introduced the project at Berlin earlier this year. It is written and will be directed by Cuarón and is eyeing a fall start at the Pinewood Dominican Republic studios.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Well Mondragon called that ****.

 

[Frodo]

Gael García Bernal is a good actor. I guess i'm still rooting for Oscar Issac for the more traditional 1800's version of Diego De La Vega, assuming another version of that character is made.

Speaking of which, does anyone know what the issue is with the film rights to the Zorro character? Can any studio make their own version of the character or do they belong to one studio in particular?

 

[Octoberist]

I think it's all public domain. It's just the matter of putting down the money. Just like how anyone can make a Frankenstein or Tarzan movie but there are factors (budget and profit) that play into it. And of course, Sherlock is everywhere.

Though studios, if they could, can copyright certain imagery of public domain characters. Like Universal owns the rights to the 2 bolts to Frankenstein's neck.

 

[Fallen Angel]

I'm pretty sure Zorro is in the public domain. But it seems until now not many were interested in another take on the classic story. Fox had it for a while but let the right's pass onto the current producers. Who are doing this near futuristic take on it.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Really looking forward to this.