Sequels The Amazing Spider-Man 3 pushed back to 2017?

[Spidey-Lad93]

To be honest if true I think this is good thing because it allows more time

 

[GwensNeckBrace]

Yeah, I think it's for the better of things. No rushing the story.
Hopefully Queen Shai can return for MJ as well ​

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

If we didn't have so much in 2016 I'd be disappointed but imm happy with this delay if it means they tell a more focussed story.

 

[Nardz937]

Hopefully they just cancel it and do another reboot.

Dear God, I can only hope.

 

[Green Goblin]

The American Box Office disappointed and while still good, it wasn't best Spidey flick evaaa that Sony wanted.

3 year wait for a SM movie? I can't bear it :|

 

[Lord]

It will come out just in time for Spider-Man 3 to be 10 years old.

 

[Donut]

I guess Sony is on the seven year deal. If they can go for 3 without any new movies

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

There was a 5 year gap between SM3 and TASM....

Hopefully this is enough time for Sony to realize they have a dog with an chronic flea problem and they beg Marvel to take it off their hands. Even if they announce Drew Goddard as writer and director for the third film, the fact that it's connected to the first two will hurt it. Americans are turning away in droves and a year delay won't fix a damn thing. "Oh look, it's another Andrew Garfield Spider-Man film, no thanks..."

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Hopefully this is enough time for Sony to realize they have a dog with an chronic flea problem and they beg Marvel to take it off their hands.

Americans are turning away in droves and a year delay won't fix a damn thing. "Oh look, it's another Andrew Garfield Spider-Man film, no thanks..."

Meanwhile the others 100s of countries in the world will go to see it

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Meanwhile the others 100s of countries in the world will go to see it

As long as this character is at Sony the franchise will fail to reach it's potential. Franchise fatigue is a definite factor in the decline but the much bigger one is studio mismanagement. This is undeniable. The status quo is not sustainable imo.

A move to Marvel would be the jolt it needed. It would open up a whole new world of possibilities for the character being in the MCU and it would also give Marvel the option of giving the franchise a rest for awhile if they decided to go that route.

 

[LizardMan07]

As long as this character is at Sony the franchise will fail to reach it's potential. Franchise fatigue is a definite factor in the decline but the much bigger one is studio mismanagement. This is undeniable. The status quo is not sustainable imo.

A move to Marvel would be the jolt it needed. It would open up a whole new world of possibilities for the character being in the MCU and it would also give Marvel the option of giving the franchise a rest for awhile if they decided to go that route.

best rated CBM of all time, tied with TDK, who controlled the rights to that film?

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_2/

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

That was a decade ago under different circumstances. Momentum was great and there was less competition. The landscape has changed completely and we live in an age of shared film universes and limitless possibilities. Spider-Man is alone on an island with terrible momentum and no longer leading the charge but desperately trying to follow.

So tell me about SM2 again?

 

[LizardMan07]

That was a decade ago under different circumstances. Momentum was great and there was less competition. The landscape has changed completely and we live in an age of shared film universes and limitless possibilities. Spider-Man is alone on an island with terrible momentum and no longer leading the charge but desperately trying to follow.

So tell me about SM2 again?

Cute hyberbole in your first paragraph. I love that you think that somewhat constituted a compelling arguement.

Fact of the matter is, you stated pretty clearly that a spider-man movie will never reach it's potential under sony.

Fact of the matter is, SM2 is the Top rated CBM of all time with TDK.

Under Sony's control.

You said a movie under sony could never reach it's potential, it's already hit a 94% rating under Sony before. So you're arguement about shared film universes and lonly island's doesn't really apply to the fact that sony has a track record of putting out a killer spiderman film, it also has a track record of not doing that, but stating that they cannot bring out the true potential of these films is purely disengenious as it has happened in the past.

Hyperbole doesn't change that.

 

[psylockolussus]

Hmmm I'm not sure if I like this or not. But they announced the 2016 release date like a long time ago and I'm already expecting TASM3 to come out in June 2016 then the spin-offs in 2017 or 2018. But nevermind, they have to make sure the next film is better than TASM2 and if it takes them 1 more year to release the film then so be it.

 

[LizardMan07]

Maybe they can have a bake sale or something to get some more money to add to the budget

 

[Rorschach2012]

I hope Spidey reverts to Marvel. I don't like the tone of these new movies, or really even the stories of these new movies. i wish they could reboot again. Marvel Studios would do it right.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Cute hyberbole in your first paragraph. I love that you think that somewhat constituted a compelling arguement.

Fact of the matter is, you stated pretty clearly that a spider-man movie will never reach it's potential under sony.

Fact of the matter is, SM2 is the Top rated CBM of all time with TDK.

Under Sony's control.

You said a movie under sony could never reach it's potential, it's already hit a 94% rating under Sony before. So you're arguement about shared film universes and lonly island's doesn't really apply to the fact that sony has a track record of putting out a killer spiderman film, it also has a track record of not doing that, but stating that they cannot bring out the true potential of these films is purely disengenious as it has happened in the past.

Hyperbole doesn't change that.

You call it hyperbole, but I say you are arguing over semantics. How's this then, as long as this franchise is at Sony going forward it will never reach it's potential....And not just because of the shared universe aspect, but Marvel Studios track record since 2008 in comparison to Sony. They take the lion's share of the blame for the franchises dwindling audience.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

To be honest if true I think this is good thing because it allows more time

It's definitely a good thing if true. The international numbers mostly bailed them out this time but an evaluation of where the franchise goes from here is badly needed. They need more time to work on the script and they need to figure out how they are going to make money off of a 600-650mil grossing film as opposed to the 850-1bil grossing film they thought they had coming.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I don't wanna sound like a fanboy but I want Spidey back at Marvel Studios. I do.

To the people who like TASM, not that there's anything wrong with you liking it, do you guys really feel its different to Raimi's?

The series feels very similar to Raimi in terms of tone but they took out the silliness while adding their own silliness with Electro & Rhino.

Point is, it doesn't feel new or different.

With DOFP, it feels different. Instead of doing the X-Men, they didn't reboot but thought of prequels which kept things fresh for the series.

With Nolan's Batman, it was fresh when you look Shoemaker. Don't think I need to state why and how, it speaks for itself.

MOS, while average, felt fresh & new & different to the Superman we all know.

Ben Affleck's Batman feels fresh.

The point is how does this Spidey series feel fresh and new and different? It doesn't.

Which is why I wouldn't mind seeing it at Marvel Studios so we can see Spidey with Daredevil & Hulk.

 

[Visualiza]

I don't wanna sound like a fanboy but I want Spidey back at Marvel Studios. I do.

To the people who like TASM, not that there's anything wrong with you liking it, do you guys really feel its different to Raimi's?

The series feels very similar to Raimi in terms of tone but they took out the silliness while adding their own silliness with Electro & Rhino.

Point is, it doesn't feel new or different.

With DOFP, it feels different. Instead of doing the X-Men, they didn't reboot but thought of prequels which kept things fresh for the series.

With Nolan's Batman, it was fresh when you look Shoemaker. Don't think I need to state why and how, it speaks for itself.

MOS, while average, felt fresh & new & different to the Superman we all know.

Ben Affleck's Batman feels fresh.

The point is how does this Spidey series feel fresh and new and different? It doesn't.

Which is why I wouldn't mind seeing it at Marvel Studios so we can see Spidey with Daredevil & Hulk.

I don't know, I'm hesitant to agree with this completely, even for as much as I dislike the new movies. It's tempting to assume that MS would do a better job with the character, it really is, but that's just it - it's only an assumption right now. It's easy for us to fall back on the idea of a 'do-over', but in all honesty, that's the exact line of thinking that got us into the current predicament in the first place. Think of all of the vitriol that was spewed in both the fallout from SM3 and the buildup to the first TASM. The general perception was peppered with silly ideas and assumptions from fans everywhere. On that note, it's interesting to see that most of the things people decried in the previous films has been received more harshly this time around. In a way, it really validates many of the creative choices from the previous trilogy, but on the other hand, it should also serve as a lesson in caution and restraint from our perspective as fans. I'm just musing here, but I really don't think we should be so quick to jump the gun, because at the end of the day...we really don't know, do we?

I agree with most of your points about the new movies; they feel like more of a sidestep in the few areas that weren't a complete failure in comparison to the old movies, so hardly what can be considered any sort of improvement, even in concept. It feels different, but not in a good way, more like different for the sake of being different, not because they have anything meaningful to show or tell. Still, Spider-Man can hold his own in a self-contained universe; he has the best rogues gallery in Marvel by far, as well as the best supporting cast, for that matter. For the movies, I think it works out best that he's on his own, but Sony does need to get its act together before they even start thinking about branching out into more expansive territory. Here we are with the prospect of Venom and S6 movies, when the foundations either haven't been laid out at all, or are suspect at best.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I agree with most of your points about the new movies; they feel like more of a sidestep in the few areas that weren't a complete failure in comparison to the old movies, so hardly what can be considered any sort of improvement, even in concept. It feels different, but not in a good way, more like different for the sake of being different, not because they have anything meaningful to show or tell. Still, Spider-Man can hold his own in a self-contained universe; he has the best rogues gallery in Marvel by far, as well as the best supporting cast, for that matter. For the movies, I think it works out best that he's on his own

While this is true, the prospects for long terms sustainability are dramatically increased if he were part of the MCU. This new universe that Sony has created has very little traction in popular culture compared to the one that Marvel have created. The obvious reason for this is A) the creative crisis that's been going on since 2007 and B) How could such a universe compete with the MCU in terms of scale or diversity?

Another thing that fans don't want to hear but is a major factor in the overall indifference the GA has toward this character is overexposure. Batman got an 8 year break between B&R and BB and the difference in quality and tone was DRAMATIC upon his return. The gap between SR and MoS was seven years and although MoS wasn't a great film by any stretch, what it did achieve in spectacular fashion was giving the audience a Superman they hadn't seen before. At least WB can hang their hat on that and build off it going forward. TASM was a reboot a large segment of the audience didn't want and with a smaller gap between films then my previous examples. Even more important was it's failure to achieve the quality or impact of those films. Not. Even. Close. If WB are unsatisfied by MoS's performance they can throw Batman and Wonder Woman into the follow-up and all is good..... I'm not saying that was needed or even the right thing to do, just that it's an option or luxury that the studio has owning all the rights. And the character can benefit being part of a greater universe. As we know, Spidey and Sony don't have this option and it makes the fight for relevancy in this massively expanding genre much more difficult. Or impossible considering the studios recent track record with quality control. Like I said in another thread, it feels like the franchise is bringing a knife to a gun fight.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

While this is true, the prospects for long terms sustainability are dramatically increased if he were part of the MCU. This new universe that Sony has created has very little traction in popular culture compared to the one that Marvel have created. The obvious reason for this is A) the creative crisis that's been going on since 2007 and B) How could such a universe compete with the MCU in terms of scale or diversity?

Another thing that fans don't want to hear but is a major factor in the overall indifference the GA has toward this character is overexposure. Batman got an 8 year break between B&R and BB and the difference in quality and tone was DRAMATIC upon his return. The gap between SR and MoS was seven years and although MoS wasn't a great film by any stretch, what it did achieve in spectacular fashion was giving the audience a Superman they hadn't seen before. At least WB can hang their hat on that and build off it going forward. TASM was a reboot a large segment of the audience didn't want and with a smaller gap between films then my previous examples. Even more important was it's failure to achieve the quality or impact of those films. Not. Even. Close. If WB are unsatisfied by MoS's performance they can throw Batman and Wonder Woman into the follow-up and all is good..... I'm not saying that was needed or even the right thing to do, just that it's an option or luxury that the studio has owning all the rights. And the character can benefit being part of a greater universe. As we know, Spidey and Sony don't have this option and it makes the fight for relevancy in this massively expanding genre much more difficult. Or impossible considering the studios recent track record with quality control. Like I said in another thread, it feels like the franchise is bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Rumor is small knives are TASM Spider-Man's weakness.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Rumor is small knives are TASM Spider-Man's weakness.

Among other things. t:

 

[Visualiza]

Among other things. t:

Several other things.

Solid reply up above, but I still don't think Spidey needs the MCU very much. Some of your reasoning applies more to the business side of things than they do to the quality of the movies themselves, and what I'm saying is that if the movies themselves are up to par, then the fans will be receptive to it. The character and his universe is oozing with far too much potential as it is.

As far as building a bigger universe, I don't think Spider-Man really needs that; just focus on telling good stories and that will be enough. It's worked for Bond for over 50 years, anyway, and that's a similar property in that it was adapted from a written work.

I see no reason why a series of self-contained movies can't work. It's easy to point the finger now because all we're seeing is failure, but I think there's enough successful examples for it to be plausible for Spider-Man to do his own thing in his own world.

 

[ThePhantasm]

The point is how does this Spidey series feel fresh and new and different? It doesn't.

Oh, there are some differences. For example, instead of whiney mild-mannered Peter Parker we got sarcastic a**hole Edward-Cullen lookalike Peter Parker.