The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread

[bullets]

And some people are closing their eyes to them.

I'm sure there are faults but some of it seems reaching.

 

[Spider-Dude23]

Haha it's actually hilarious some people trying their hardest to nitpick about every little thing in this movie.
The amount of cheese in the raimi trilogy could feed all vermins rats.

 

[Thwip!]

I'm sure there are faults but some of it seems reaching.

to heights a webline cant even reach

 

[Dragon]

With regards to the cheese, every cbm has it. sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt

And Dragon, these are some poor arguments you're putting forward

Wow. Thanks for telling me that. I take it all back

 

[Jack O Lantern]

Spidey getting in and out of the car without making a noise is artistic licence. Something done for effect.

This happens in many films, and used by some of the best directors.

The most memorable moment in Jurassic Park occurs when water in a glass begins to move as the T Rex approaches. Yet, later when the Raptures are close to eating everyone the day is saved when the T Rex attacks the Raptures. In that moment she somehow enter a building without making a sound.

If you're going to hold every film to the level of scrutiny you're not going to like many films.

 

[Jexx]

Dragon, it's just that you're being very confrontational. Telling people that you think the script is bad isn't going to change their minds unless you put forward some serious evidence beyond nitpicking a single scene.

Even with that you probably wouldn't change their minds.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

Spidey getting in and out of the car without making a noise is artistic licence. Something done for effect.

This happens in many films, and used by some of the best directors.

The most memorable moment in Jurassic Park occurs when water in a glass begins to move as the T Rex approaches. Yet, later when the Raptures are close to eating everyone the day is saved when the T Rex attacks the Raptures. In that moment she somehow enter a building without making a sound.

If you're going to hold every film to the level of scrutiny you're not going to like many films.

Lol I always thought I was the only one who noticed that. In the flow of the movie and the heat of the moment, you don't even care as an audience member. You go with it. Impossible for a T-Rex to sneak up on anything but hey, love the movie

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

Dragon, it's just that you're being very confrontational. Telling people that you think the script is bad isn't going to change their minds unless you put forward some serious evidence beyond nitpicking a single scene.

Even with that you probably wouldn't change their minds.

To be fair, and I disagree with him, I don't think he's trying to change anyone's opinion. He's just telling everyone his which is perfectly fine.

 

[Dragon]

Haha it's actually hilarious some people trying their hardest to nitpick about every little thing in this movie.

What's hilarious is that it takes no effort at all. This movie is so flawed you can walk through the plotholes.

The amount of cheese in the raimi trilogy could feed all vermins rats.

And the amount of $cheddar$ the films made have fed alot of rats too.

 

[Thwip!]

Wow. Thanks for telling me that. I take it all back

When presented with an argument, instead of providing a counter argument, you resort to unflattering sarcasm. At least try to convince me of your viewpoint.

 

[The Shape]

Is there someone here who thinks TASM is as bad as SM3? That the two can even be compared?

Crazy talk.

 

[Spider-Dude23]

Whoever thinks Sm3 is better than TASM is(IMO) crazy. There's no way that that atrocity is better than TASM. I suppose it's all a matter of opinion..

 

[Dragon]

Question, why is him leaping up to the ceiling silent? Regardless of the fact that he can crawl around silently (which is honestly implausible in itself), why did Norman not hear him land on the ceiling?

Spidey's control and strength make his own body practically weightless- so he wouldn't make a sound as he climbs. When Peter lands on the ceiling, remember that four people are noisily climbing the stairs to Peter's room. In TASM however, Spidey can't make the door not make a sound as he opens and closes it.

And if Peter started moving once the blood dropped, Norman should of saw him moving, and regardless of that, we should of saw Peter go out the window anyway.

The scene is just as implausible as the car-jacking scene.

Norman was looking at the floor and so were we, Then we're looking at Norman and the empty ceiling. So we couldn't see spidey climb across the ceiling and out the window.

What were we looking at to distract us from seeing and hearing Spidey enter the car?

Dragon, it's just that you're being very confrontational. Telling people that you think the script is bad isn't going to change their minds unless you put forward some serious evidence beyond nitpicking a single scene.

Even with that you probably wouldn't change their minds.

I'm being confrontational because I'm being jumped by ten people telling me that I have no right to have an opinion that differs from theirs. And this is status quo for this forum. I've never once said any of you are wrong for liking or not liking something. I'm just pointing out that there's always another side and people should be respectful of that side. And I'm not going to hold back in pointing out someone's hypocrisy. If you're (And mind you, I'm not addressing YOU directly- my initial comments were at Eddie Brock) going to trash a film that alot of people like (There's a reason Spidey 3 is the highest earner of the franchise even if IMO it's the worst overall movie). Be prepared for the film you hold as being perfect being attacked, especially when its not perfect at all. Brock pointed out a specific scene and called it cheesy- and so I pointed to a scene from TASM that's cheesy. Then folks demand that I back up my point and I have.

 

[DeathChill]

I am curious Dragon, are you considering the silent entrance into the car a plothole?

EDIT: Uh, no matter how strong you are you can't move silently. The fabric alone would make some sort of noise.

 

[Dragon]

When presented with an argument, instead of providing a counter argument, you resort to unflattering sarcasm. At least try to convince me of your viewpoint.

Sorry, but you didn't present an argument there. And my argument has been presented over the past few pages. If you want to address something specific, you're welcome to do so.

Is there someone here who thinks TASM is as bad as SM3? That the two can even be compared?

Crazy talk.

Whoever thinks Sm3 is better than TASM is(IMO) crazy. There's no way that that atrocity is better than TASM. I suppose it's all a matter of opinion..

Yep. Fair-minded discussion if ever I saw it.

 

[Tony Stark]

Dragon, it's just that you're being very confrontational. Telling people that you think the script is bad isn't going to change their minds unless you put forward some serious evidence beyond nitpicking a single scene.

Even with that you probably wouldn't change their minds.

I agree, but then again I could say the same thing of people who nitpick the Raimi films, which is what I think Dragon's original point was.

 

[Spider-Dude23]

Dragon, the ONLY reason sm3 made the most money is because sm2 was such a success everyone thought that sm3 will be even better, not to mention the amazing misleading trailers that it had.

 

[Scarlettess]

Cute



You think it takes super hearing to hear a drop of blood fall from a ceiling? Ever have a ceiling pipe leak? You can definitely hear it.



So, you've just agreed with my argument and yet called it silly.



1. I didn't mention Avengers, BB (Which I have said I didn't even like) or TDK in this debate. And yes, they have loads of cheese as well.

2. I didn't say TASM was cheesier than Raimi's films, just that's it has its share of cheese. I said the script is bad. And it's very bad.

so we agree then?

okay maybe not super hearing, but very good hearing at least. One drop can be easy to miss in a room of talking people. but still you have four people in the room and him on the roof, how does he move without a single person hearing him? more importantly, how does he not cast a shadow anywhere in a brightly lit bedroom?

uuuh when did I agree with your argument?

1. I know you didn't, but I was making I point that every CBM movie has some cheese in it.

2. okay, then i apologise if you didn't, from the way you were talking about this movie I got that impression.

 

[GuestStar2004]

im sorry but the sm1 ceiling scene is more silly then the appearing at the back seat of a car

peters ceiling would have to be so high up for norman not to see him at top corner of his eye, and when the blood hits the floor somehow spiderman manages to get out of the window super fast and quietly... now how could he do that? if he used his web he would have been heard so he jumped from the ceiling to outside? even though we could see behind normans back just after the blood hit the floor?

then you compare it to the appearing at the back of the car... we dont know how he got in the back of the car but there are no restrictions to the imagination, and we hear the door close as he gets out

i know which one i prefer

 

[Thwip!]

Sorry, but you didn't present an argument there. And my argument has been presented over the past few pages. If you want to address something specific, you're welcome to do so.

I'll now put forward the argument that you seem inconsistent in that you're willing to accept the silence with which spidey moves in say 2002 Spider-man whilst being completely unforgiving of Spidey getting into a car silently in TASM. Surely it's implausible to qualify one as possible and not the other given the evidence

 

[Dragon]

I am curious Dragon, are you considering the silent entrance into the car a plothole?

It's an implausibilty that kills suspension of disbelief. And it's cheesy. And there were many such moments in the film.

EDIT: Uh, no matter how strong you are you can't move silently. The fabric alone would make some sort of noise.

Yes you can. For one thing certain materials absorb sound (Thus sound-proof rooms, etc. ). But in Spidey's case his strength and speed allows him to place his hands and feet on a surface without making a noise. I'm not saying that if Spidey dropped from the ceiling to the floor there'd be no sound, just when he's crawling across the surface.

I'm also not saying that Spidey's body would make noise entering the car (although it is different from climbing on a ceiling) but the door would make noise opening and closing. He couldn't control that. Moreover, he just appears in the car even though we'd had a shot where we were constantly looking at his only area of entry.

 

[Spider-Dude23]

Yes you can. For one thing certain materials absorb sound (Thus sound-proof rooms, etc. ). But in Spidey's case his strength and speed allows him to place his hands and feet on a surface without making a noise. I'm not saying that if Spidey dropped from the ceiling to the floor there'd be no sound, just when he's crawling across the surface.

I'm also not saying that Spidey's body would make noise entering the car (although it is different from climbing on a ceiling) but the door would make noise opening and closing. He couldn't control that. Moreover, he just appears in the car even though we'd had a shot where we were constantly looking at his only area of entry.

Eh, you can control it. My window squeaks when I open it, but if I open it really fast then it doesn't squeak at all.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

This is the box office thread, why are you people having pointless, repetitive arguments with trolls?

Not a rhetorical question, I'm actually curious why.

 

[Spider-Dude23]

This is the box office thread, why are you people having pointless, repetitive arguments with trolls?

Not a rhetorical question, I'm actually curious why.

I agree. I came into this thread expecting to see how much money this movie is making and all I see is trolls trying to start stupid arguments over the littiest thing. Think it might be time for a mod to come in and get this thread back on track.

 

[Dragon]

so we agree then?

Yeah, if you think TASM has a bad script.

okay maybe not super hearing, but very good hearing at least. One drop can be easy to miss in a room of talking people. but still you have four people in the room and him on the roof, how does he move without a single person hearing him? more importantly, how does he not cast a shadow anywhere in a brightly lit bedroom?

Okay. When Norman hears the blood drop, everyone else has left the room. He's the last one there and hears the drop. By the time the drop has hit, Peter is across the room. Norman looks up at the ceiling and Spidey is crawling out the open window. Norman walks to the window (which takes time) and Spidey is out and under the ledge. Also, as Norman walks toward the window, there's the street noise.

As for a shadow That only would've been if Peter were under a skylight that was projecting light directly on him. Not an issue in the given scene.

uuuh when did I agree with your argument?

When you said there was cheese in both movies. All movies for that matter.

1. I know you didn't, but I was making I point that every CBM movie has some cheese in it.

And we're in agreement.

2. okay, then i apologise if you didn't, from the way you were talking about this movie I got that impression.

I know. Alot of folks here make snap judgements if you say anything other than this movie is perfect.

Dragon, the ONLY reason sm3 made the most money is because sm2 was such a success everyone thought that sm3 will be even better, not to mention the amazing misleading trailers that it had.

You should be working in Hollywood. I'm sure they'd benefit from your insightful analysis.

im sorry but the sm1 ceiling scene is more silly then the appearing at the back seat of a car

peters ceiling would have to be so high up for norman not to see him at top corner of his eye, and when the blood hits the floor somehow spiderman manages to get out of the window super fast and quietly... now how could he do that? if he used his web he would have been heard so he jumped from the ceiling to outside? even though we could see behind normans back just after the blood hit the floor?

First, Norman isn't looking at the ceiling at all. He turns and starts to follow the others out of the room. He hears the blood droplet hit the floor and turns back. He looks at the floor, then looks at the ceiling above. Then looks at the window. Then walks over to the window.

Is that enough time for a guy who can dodge machine gunfire to crawl across the ceiling and out the window? Hell frickin' yes. I've already explained how Spidey can do so silently. Being a martial artist, I know of a number of people who can control their weight enough to make no sound as they walk. Spidey being super strong/fast/agile should have no trouble doing that also.

then you compare it to the appearing at the back of the car... we dont know how he got in the back of the car but there are no restrictions to the imagination, and we hear the door close as he gets out

And yet you can't use your imagination to come up with an explanation. Oh well.

I'll now put forward the argument that you seem inconsistent in that you're willing to accept the silence with which spidey moves in say 2002 Spider-man whilst being completely unforgiving of Spidey getting into a car silently in TASM. Surely it's implausible to qualify one as possible and not the other given the evidence

I've put forward evidence regarding my argument. I'm waiting for one of you to back up yours... Still waiting.

Eh, you can control it. My window squeaks when I open it, but if I open it really fast then it doesn't squeak at all.

t:Even if that was a reasonable explanation for the sound, which it isn't- It still doesn't change the fact that we had a constant view of Spidey's area of entry, so we'd have seen him enter.