The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - Part 15

[Drummerdude7]

Its funny but I noticed that Avi Arad hasn't had much say in this movie like he did with the previous films (or other Marvel films). Its funny but on the Spider-Man 3 DVD, there is some behind the scenes where Arad says that Eddie Brock is less interesting in the comic books, so they wanted to make his character more dynamic in the movie. Epic Fail.

I see what they were going for, and if the movie was made correctly, it could have been so HUGE. If it almost made $900 million worldwide and was a disappointment, imagine how much it would have made if it was a success? It could have been well over a billion dollars...

Arad is a hack and I'm glad we haven't heard all too much from him in interviews and whatnot. Every time I watch the special features on the original trilogy I skip past his parts.

I think people are too quick to demonize Sony for some of the "wrongdoings" of the previous trilogy. It's not always the studio's fault.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Arad is a hack and I'm glad we haven't heard all too much from him in interviews and whatnot. Every time I watch the special features on the original trilogy I skip past his parts.

I think people are too quick to demonize Sony for some of the "wrongdoings" of the previous trilogy. It's not always the studio's fault.

I blame Avi Arad more than Sony really. He is the one that said Venom should be in the movie, he even said it himself I believe.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

I blame Avi Arad more than Sony really. He is the one that said Venom should be in the movie, he even said it himself I believe.

Yeah it was mostly his call I'm sure but in the end, and I'm sure I'll get killed for this but whatever, I do agree with him about Eddie not being that interesting in the comics, at least in his inception. It's the same thing Semper and Arad said about him during the animated series, which is why they gave him more of a backstory of a hatred of Peter and Spider-Man with their new interpretation of the story with the symbiote. They fleshed him out more and any iteration of Eddie since then, whether it be spectacular spider-man, ultimate spider man or even back in amazing. But again this whole thing about Venom being forced on him, he's still the writer he's gotta make it work, he didn't. When that movie starts, it says written by Sam Rami and Ted Rami, so they should've found a better way to incorporate it. It was just too much going on in that movie and it was too big and too much so the good things it did do are lost in all of the noise. Sucks but the series was going to need new cast a new director and new writers eventually. I'd much rather they start over than try to force a story in a fourth one that just didn't sound like it would've worked.

In truth, I was always a tad surprised Sam agreed to do a fourth one just because it seemed like the story was done..Peter went from being a kid who couldn't forgive himself or his uncle's killer to a man who could and did. That's a great conclusion thematic wise even if the execution was lacking

 

[SpideyFan92]

Its funny but I noticed that Avi Arad hasn't had much say in this movie like he did with the previous films (or other Marvel films). Its funny but on the Spider-Man 3 DVD, there is some behind the scenes where Arad says that Eddie Brock is less interesting in the comic books, so they wanted to make his character more dynamic in the movie. Epic Fail.

I see what they were going for, and if the movie was made correctly, it could have been so HUGE. If it almost made $900 million worldwide and was a disappointment, imagine how much it would have made if it was a success? It could have been well over a billion dollars...

Maybe they could sniff the dollar bills which made them high or something to think that Eddie Brock/Venom wasn't interesting in the comics books..he was a menace..anyways he didn't have enough screen time and his Venom's real voice wasn't heard much so yeah...

 

[Picard Sisko]

Yeah it was mostly his call I'm sure but in the end, and I'm sure I'll get killed for this but whatever, I do agree with him about Eddie not being that interesting in the comics, at least in his inception. It's the same thing Semper and Arad said about him during the animated series, which is why they gave him more of a backstory of a hatred of Peter and Spider-Man with their new interpretation of the story with the symbiote. They fleshed him out more and any iteration of Eddie since then, whether it be spectacular spider-man, ultimate spider man or even back in amazing. But again this whole thing about Venom being forced on him, he's still the writer he's gotta make it work, he didn't. When that movie starts, it says written by Sam Rami and Ted Rami, so they should've found a better way to incorporate it. It was just too much going on in that movie and it was too big and too much so the good things it did do are lost in all of the noise. Sucks but the series was going to need new cast a new director and new writers eventually. I'd much rather they start over than try to force a story in a fourth one that just didn't sound like it would've worked.

The 90s animated series did a great job at developing Eddie Brock's character. That's when I really got attached to the character, not from his original appearances. I love Eddie Brock in the Ultimate universe, it really added depth to the story. Both of those guys being childhood friends, and reuniting because of the symbiote.

In truth, I was always a tad surprised Sam agreed to do a fourth one just because it seemed like the story was done..Peter went from being a kid who couldn't forgive himself or his uncle's killer to a man who could and did. That's a great conclusion thematic wise even if the execution was lacking

Well the thing is there was so much more to tell. I wanted to see Peter and MJ get married in the fourth one. Now that both Osborn's are dead, someone has to take over, and that could have led into a Black Cat story (Hardy foundation).

 

[SpideyFan92]

Who thinks they would add Flash Thompson's Venom in the future?

 

[Picard Sisko]

Maybe they could sniff the dollar bills which made them high or something to think that Eddie Brock/Venom wasn't interesting in the comics books..he was a menace..anyways he didn't have enough screen time and his Venom's real voice wasn't heard much so yeah...

I don't understand why they didn't let Venom have his awesome voice from the animated series and the video game (that is where he really became iconic).

Venom should have also referred to himself as "We." They could have easily fit that in there, but it looked like they just wanted to rush the ending of the film.

 

[Drummerdude7]

Yeah it was mostly his call I'm sure but in the end, and I'm sure I'll get killed for this but whatever, I do agree with him about Eddie not being that interesting in the comics, at least in his inception. It's the same thing Semper and Arad said about him during the animated series, which is why they gave him more of a backstory of a hatred of Peter and Spider-Man with their new interpretation of the story with the symbiote. They fleshed him out more and any iteration of Eddie since then, whether it be spectacular spider-man, ultimate spider man or even back in amazing. But again this whole thing about Venom being forced on him, he's still the writer he's gotta make it work, he didn't. When that movie starts, it says written by Sam Rami and Ted Rami, so they should've found a better way to incorporate it. It was just too much going on in that movie and it was too big and too much so the good things it did do are lost in all of the noise. Sucks but the series was going to need new cast a new director and new writers eventually. I'd much rather they start over than try to force a story in a fourth one that just didn't sound like it would've worked.

In truth, I was always a tad surprised Sam agreed to do a fourth one just because it seemed like the story was done..Peter went from being a kid who couldn't forgive himself or his uncle's killer to a man who could and did. That's a great conclusion thematic wise even if the execution was lacking

I wouldn't disagree with you. I've never (and I mean never) found Venom (particularly Eddie) to be an interesting character. He is a cool character, no doubt, and he has some advantages over Spidey that were cool (non triggering of the Spider-sense, knowing Pete's identity, surprise attacks, etc). But I've never found his motivation, character, or anything else about him to be particularly interesting. That's just my opinion though. Eddie has been more developed in recent years, but they just seemed to come out of nowhere....like the big cancer retcon. They ran out of things to do with him and that's why the symbiote is with Flash now...and big surprise, that run is doing really well, because the character is actually interesting.

Eddie Brock, when he was introduced, really didn't have much to him...which is why you see so much added to him when you see other iterations; with TAS, they really built up his hatred of Spidey from the get go, by him being constantly "thwarted" by Spider-Man. With the Ultimate comics and SSM, you had Eddie as a childhood friend who eventually comes to resent and turn against Peter (much better execution of this in SSM). With the movie, they tried the "dark mirror to Pete and Spidey angle, which, imo, didn't really work out.

 

[Drummerdude7]

The 90s animated series did a great job at developing Eddie Brock's character. That's when I really got attached to the character, not from his original appearances. I love Eddie Brock in the Ultimate universe, it really added depth to the story. Both of those guys being childhood friends, and reuniting because of the symbiote.



Well the thing is there was so much more to tell. I wanted to see Peter and MJ get married in the fourth one. Now that both Osborn's are dead, someone has to take over, and that could have led into a Black Cat story (Hardy foundation).

Only they wanted Felicia Hardy to be "Vulturess"

 

[SpideyFan92]

I don't understand why they didn't let Venom have his awesome voice from the animated series and the video game (that is where he really became iconic).

Venom should have also referred to himself as "We." They could have easily fit that in there, but it looked like they just wanted to rush the ending of the film.

YOU'RE GETTING WARMER...."Venom"

Quote from Spiderman game in PS1..just before Peter saves MJ...t:

 

[Picard Sisko]

I'm starting to feel like they should start basing some movies off of the Animated Series.

Look at the "Alien Costume" story arc that introduced the symbiote. In three 20 minute episodes (only 60 minutes), they NAILED the Venom saga perfectly. We learned about Eddie's hatred towards Spider-Man, the idea of Jameson's son bringing the symbiote to Earth was magnificent, we learn about the pros and cons of the symbiote, and then Venom is created! And Venom himself was only in a 20 minute episode! (Let's not count his return in later episodes, just this trilogy).

So now they get the chance to do this on film, with a little less than 2 1/2 hours, and I think Venom and the symbiote spider-man had even less screen time than they did in the three episodes of TAS.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

The 90s animated series did a great job at developing Eddie Brock's character. That's when I really got attached to the character, not from his original appearances. I love Eddie Brock in the Ultimate universe, it really added depth to the story. Both of those guys being childhood friends, and reuniting because of the symbiote.



Well the thing is there was so much more to tell. I wanted to see Peter and MJ get married in the fourth one. Now that both Osborn's are dead, someone has to take over, and that could have led into a Black Cat story (Hardy foundation).

But from a storytelling standpoint, the trilogy started with MJ and Peter..his quote of this story being all about a girl, summarizes it. Then the love triangle between the three of them and the goblin legacy..Those are your main plot points not the other stuff that's extra. You're starting a new story now but you don't use a fourth movie to introduce new points and then have that cast and crew walk out cause that would've been their last hurrah. The main plot points that were introduced were all wrapped up: The love triangle was no more, Harry came to grips with who his father really was, he and Peter forgave each other and solidified their friendship, Peter forgave himself and his uncle's killer and he and MJ, at least from a literal sense, danced in each others arms and had a silent understanding and for anyone who's in a adult relationship or ever been in one, you know that sometimes you just forgive each other, no words need to be spoken, you just forget and move on, which it seemed like those two did.

 

[Picard Sisko]

But from a storytelling standpoint, the trilogy started with MJ and Peter..his quote of this story being all about a girl, summarizes it. Then the love triangle between the three of them and the goblin legacy..Those are your main plot points not the other stuff that's extra. You're starting a new story now but you don't use a fourth movie to introduce new points and then have that cast and crew walk out cause that would've been their last hurrah. The main plot points that were introduced were all wrapped up: The love triangle was no more, Harry came to grips with who his father really was, he and Peter forgave each other and solidified their friendship, Peter forgave himself and his uncle's killer and he and MJ, at least from a literal sense, danced in each others arms and had a silent understanding and for anyone who's in a adult relationship or ever been in one, you know that sometimes you just forgive each other, no words need to be spoken, you just forget and move on, which it seemed like those two did.

Yeah, but still... they should have filmed an epilogue with them getting married. Maybe the final swing could have been with Spidey and MJ in her wedding dress... or something, idk. Even if they did a graphic novel with the epilogue to SM3.

 

[Drummerdude7]

Yeah, but still... they should have filmed an epilogue with them filming. Maybe the final swing could have been with Spidey and MJ in her wedding dress... or something, idk. Even if they did a graphic novel with the epilogue to SM3.

Eh, it was a solid enough ending for me to accept it. Yeah, it ended on a sad note, but I think it was necessary considering the circumstances: best friend dead, relationship in serious need of repair, and acceptance/forgiveness starting to come through. Sure we all want our Spidey films to end on a high note, but this one didn't need that. Just imagine how it's going to be when Gwen gets killed!

 

[Oscorp]

Is there any video anywhere of the ASM presentation on the MTV Awards show? Thanks in advance!

 

[Troy_Parker]

The Amazing Spider-Man Score Montage:

http://www.mediafire.com/?ye6v8x8ss5xkd0b

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

Yeah, but still... they should have filmed an epilogue with them filming. Maybe the final swing could have been with Spidey and MJ in her wedding dress... or something, idk. Even if they did a graphic novel with the epilogue to SM3.

Books normally do epilogues but a final swing at the end of that movie would've felt out of place, at least to me. Like I said before, Peter's focus at that point in time wasn't on being spider-man, it was on fixing his relationship. That became more important to him so the last shot should be of them. The wedding thing, again, is just reaching too much because at that point, they need to be in a place where a wedding feels right and is earned. Being forgiven is the first step to that and she did that apparently but it's the same as a comic book writer ending his run and leaving it in a place where another writer can come aboard and do what he wants with those characters. I feel where you're coming from though, you wanted complete closure.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

The Amazing Spider-Man Score Montage:

http://www.mediafire.com/?ye6v8x8ss5xkd0b

Good sir, where did you find this at? Good find

 

[Picard Sisko]

Books normally do epilogues but a final swing at the end of that movie would've felt out of place, at least to me. Like I said before, Peter's focus at that point in time wasn't on being spider-man, it was on fixing his relationship. That became more important to him so the last shot should be of them. The wedding thing, again, is just reaching too much because at that point, they need to be in a place where a wedding feels right and is earned. Being forgiven is the first step to that and she did that apparently but it's the same as a comic book writer ending his run and leaving it in a place where another writer can come aboard and do what he wants with those characters. I feel where you're coming from though, you wanted complete closure.

That's why I feel like there should have been a fourth film. There was so much crammed into Spider-Man 3 that it really needed to be spread out into 2 movies...

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

That's why I feel like there should have been a fourth film. There was so much crammed into Spider-Man 3 that it really needed to be spread out into 2 movies...

Well with proper planning they would've ended it with Venom's transformation and then went into a fourth movie but they didn't do that. But the movie ended on a dour note, a swing at the end would've been tacky as hell to me and just changed the flow of the movie. That flick had tone problems from the get go, don't mess up poignant moments with whimsy

 

[Picard Sisko]

Well with proper planning they would've ended it with Venom's transformation and then went into a fourth movie but they didn't do that. But the movie ended on a dour note, a swing at the end would've been tacky as hell to me and just changed the flow of the movie. That flick had tone problems from the get go, don't mess up poignant moments with whimsy

Problem was that it was all business. They knew Venom would bring in cash, so their concern was getting Venom as soon as possible.

 

[Drummerdude7]

Well with proper planning they would've ended it with Venom's transformation and then went into a fourth movie but they didn't do that. But the movie ended on a dour note, a swing at the end would've been tacky as hell to me and just changed the flow of the movie. That flick had tone problems from the get go, don't mess up poignant moments with whimsy

Woulda coulda shoulda right? At this point, despite any misgivings I may have about the previous trilogy, it was well executed enough to have a great story, told over 3 films, that concluded, for the most part, in a satisfying and emotionally resonant manner. That's all that matters to me

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

Woulda coulda shoulda right? At this point, despite any misgivings I may have about the previous trilogy, it was well executed enough to have a great story, told over 3 films, that concluded, for the most part, in a satisfying and emotionally resonant manner. That's all that matters to me

When it ended, one of my best friends said, "well, it ended." lol that was the best thing he could say about it but he was right, it ended. Beginning middle and end. I wasn't happy about the execution but the story did conclude and I understood the emotional aspects and it did resonate a bit with me

 

[Troy_Parker]

YouTube version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XU0baMSDLk&feature=youtu.be

[YT]5XU0baMSDLk[/YT]

 

[Drummerdude7]

When it ended, one of my best friends said, "well, it ended." lol that was the best thing he could say about it but he was right, it ended. Beginning middle and end. I wasn't happy about the execution but the story did conclude and I understood the emotional aspects and it did resonate a bit with me

Neither was I...mostly with the third though....the execution with 2 was spot on for me. The MJ/Peter relationship was...well...not too good in 3...the drama seemed forced, MJ acted like a selfish *****, but it improved at the point where Peter embarrassed her in the cafe and hit her by accident. I felt things got a bit more serious there and it gave the ending scene of them hugging and dancing a bit more weight for me.